Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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- The Deep Blue Sea
@Academia Nut does someone else nearby have the true city legacy? HK, Khem...?
[X] [Art] Sanitation is too important not to entrust to experts! (Several actions gain or increase their Tech costs, +1 Urban Poor power, ???)
[X] [HK] Offer to let them buy the Banner Company contracts
-[X] [HK] Show goodwill (Pay upkeep costs yourself but gain Diplomacy instead for duration of hire)
[X] [Policy] Special: Vassal Support (+1 Subordinate while active, increases Loyalty while active at less than full subordinates)
[X] [Policy] Diplomacy (+1 Diplo/turn)
[X] [Policy] Skullduggery (+1 Intrigue/turn, -2 Diplo)
[X] [Policy] City Support (2 True Cities have their maintenance paid for each turn)
[X] [Policy] Special: Forestry (+1 Sustainable Forest and -1 Econ Expansion/2 turns)
[X] [Art] Sanitation is too important not to entrust to experts! (Several actions gain or increase their Tech costs, +1 Urban Poor power, ???)
[X] [HK] Offer to let them buy the Banner Company contracts
-[X] [HK] Show goodwill (Pay upkeep costs yourself but gain Diplomacy instead for duration of hire)
[X] [Policy] Special: Vassal Support (+1 Subordinate while active, increases Loyalty while active at less than full subordinates)
[X] [Policy] Diplomacy (+1 Diplo/turn)
[X] [Policy] Skullduggery (+1 Intrigue/turn, -2 Diplo)
[X] [Policy] City Support (2 True Cities have their maintenance paid for each turn)
[X] [Policy] Special: Forestry (+1 Sustainable Forest and -1 Econ Expansion/2 turns)
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@Academia Nut - so what are our cities right now?
Also. Do our 2 GPs (3 if you count the one in WW) give us an extra admin-free True City, or do those round down and ignore non-central GPs?
Also. Do our 2 GPs (3 if you count the one in WW) give us an extra admin-free True City, or do those round down and ignore non-central GPs?
Hyacinthium
Writing about sad cannibals as we speak.
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I want Forest, Road, and Porcelain. You may wonder, wait porcelain; but it's an extremely useful material to have.
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- Austria
Both.
We managed to burn through 4 fiel slots last turn. Kilns alone are not enough.
Like, I am not even discussing possibility of *not* taking Kilns as a valid option - nothing can be possibly worth it, I am just of opinon it alone is not enough.
Like, we must have patience and remember timescales we are working on. We are not in a hurry, we can afford to slow down acceleration and focus on sustainable growth, not just growth. Look at Trelli or early Lowlanders if you somehow need a reason why.
Hyacinthium
Writing about sad cannibals as we speak.
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Ah, but Black Soil is way over due too. It's high time to work on improving black soil and related topics.
No other polities have such intense concentration of urban population AND a population as big as ours, so that's unlikely.
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
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Huh...in that case i think you actually messed up earlier by not having us be at overcentralization when we had 1 extra city active
Because you had Cent 9, Tolerance "High" + 1 as over limit, but Cent 9, "High" + 2 as yellow/under limit at one point. That or one or both of us was confused by the other, since you updated the civ sheet like three times with different city counts, and at one point forgot to change the color, so... *shrug*That sucks, though, that (assuming i understand you right) just hitting the limit means we have overcentralization, with no extra buffer before penalties
Still, yay, confirmation on cent limits! I guess that also confirms that the gov palace "change" was actually us just noticing what was always the case, because my record keeping had estimated "neutral" as 1-2, thinking we had 1 more reduction.
With all this, i'll leave the A&D post for tomorrow
@Academia Nut Couple super minor things i had on a sticky note to point out in that, so i dont forget:
-Update still just says "another city", not "5 more cities"
-Greenshore still has a listed dependency max of 4, when it should have updated to 5 when it converted to a colony however long ago
That said, good night all. Good luck to @PrimalShadow and other planners now that we've lost a main action from poor timing, refugees, and lv 2 aqueducts only giving 1 EE D=
Actually on that note, @Academia Nut you may want to do a threadmark to reset the vote, given the major change in both policy count and the setup we're looking at next turn; i know a lot of vote argument was based on what we can do next turn and what we need stat and infrastructure wise. (On that note, can you confirm if gold mines are guild actions? I think it was asked but never answered)
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- The Middle of the Howling Wilderness
[X] [Art] Sanitation is too important not to entrust to experts! (Several actions gain or increase their Tech costs, +1 Urban Poor power, ???)
[X] [HK] Offer to let them buy the Banner Company contracts
-[X] [HK] Show goodwill (Pay upkeep costs yourself but gain Diplomacy instead for duration of hire)
Forgot to vote for other stuff! Let's make friends with theDwarf Fortress players Highland Kingdom!
edit: adding the rest of my vote!
[X] [Policy] City Support (2 True Cities have their maintenance paid for each turn)
[X] [Policy] City Support (2 True Cities have their maintenance paid for each turn)x2
[X] [Policy] Diplomacy (+1 Diplo/turn)
[X] [Policy] Skullduggery (+1 Intrigue/turn, -2 Diplo)
[X] [Policy] Special: Forestry (+1 Sustainable Forest and -1 Econ Expansion/2 turns)
[X] [HK] Offer to let them buy the Banner Company contracts
-[X] [HK] Show goodwill (Pay upkeep costs yourself but gain Diplomacy instead for duration of hire)
Forgot to vote for other stuff! Let's make friends with the
edit: adding the rest of my vote!
[X] [Policy] City Support (2 True Cities have their maintenance paid for each turn)
[X] [Policy] City Support (2 True Cities have their maintenance paid for each turn)x2
[X] [Policy] Diplomacy (+1 Diplo/turn)
[X] [Policy] Skullduggery (+1 Intrigue/turn, -2 Diplo)
[X] [Policy] Special: Forestry (+1 Sustainable Forest and -1 Econ Expansion/2 turns)
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- USA
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[X] [Art] Sanitation is too important not to entrust to experts! (Several actions gain or increase their Tech costs, +1 Urban Poor power, ???)
[X] [Policy] Special: Vassal Support (+1 Subordinate while active, increases Loyalty while active at less than full subordinates)
[X] [Policy] Special: Vassal Support (+1 Subordinate while active, increases Loyalty while active at less than full subordinates) x2
[X] [Policy] Diplomacy (+1 Diplo/turn)
[X] [Policy] City Support (2 True Cities have their maintenance paid for each turn)
Approval votes
[X] [Policy] Diplomacy (+1 Diplo/turn) x2
[X] [Policy] City Support (2 True Cities have their maintenance paid for each turn) x2
[X] [Policy] Skullduggery (+1 Intrigue/turn, -2 Diplo)
[X] [Policy] Special: Vassal Support (+1 Subordinate while active, increases Loyalty while active at less than full subordinates) x3
[X] [HK] Offer to let them buy the Banner Company contracts
-[X] [HK] Show goodwill (Pay upkeep costs yourself but gain Diplomacy instead for duration of hire)
[X] [Policy] Special: Vassal Support (+1 Subordinate while active, increases Loyalty while active at less than full subordinates)
[X] [Policy] Special: Vassal Support (+1 Subordinate while active, increases Loyalty while active at less than full subordinates) x2
[X] [Policy] Diplomacy (+1 Diplo/turn)
[X] [Policy] City Support (2 True Cities have their maintenance paid for each turn)
Approval votes
[X] [Policy] Diplomacy (+1 Diplo/turn) x2
[X] [Policy] City Support (2 True Cities have their maintenance paid for each turn) x2
[X] [Policy] Skullduggery (+1 Intrigue/turn, -2 Diplo)
[X] [Policy] Special: Vassal Support (+1 Subordinate while active, increases Loyalty while active at less than full subordinates) x3
[X] [HK] Offer to let them buy the Banner Company contracts
-[X] [HK] Show goodwill (Pay upkeep costs yourself but gain Diplomacy instead for duration of hire)
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- Hell
[X][Policy] Skullduggery (+1 Intrigue/turn, -2 Diplo)
[X][Policy] City Support (2 True Cities have their maintenance paid for each turn)
[] [Policy] City Support (2 True Cities have their maintenance paid for each turn)x2
[X][Policy] Special: Vassal Support (+1 Subordinate while active, increases Loyalty while active at less than full subordinates)
[X][Policy] Special: Forestry (+1 Sustainable Forest and -1 Econ Expansion/2 turns)
[X] [HK] Offer to let them buy the Banner Company contracts
-[X] [HK] Show goodwill (Pay upkeep costs yourself but gain Diplomacy instead for duration of hire)
Adding an extra city support. That would stop our downpour of econ.
I was well aware we have more than one.
Except the Patricians would still be at 4( hardly low power) and the spite was because of bad rolls, word of AN.
[X][Policy] City Support (2 True Cities have their maintenance paid for each turn)
[] [Policy] City Support (2 True Cities have their maintenance paid for each turn)x2
[X][Policy] Special: Vassal Support (+1 Subordinate while active, increases Loyalty while active at less than full subordinates)
[X][Policy] Special: Forestry (+1 Sustainable Forest and -1 Econ Expansion/2 turns)
[X] [HK] Offer to let them buy the Banner Company contracts
-[X] [HK] Show goodwill (Pay upkeep costs yourself but gain Diplomacy instead for duration of hire)
Adding an extra city support. That would stop our downpour of econ.
No joke.I... have no idea what joke you are trying to make
I'll just assume its funny.
I was well aware we have more than one.
Except the Patricians would still be at 4( hardly low power) and the spite was because of bad rolls, word of AN.
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- The Deep Blue Sea
Gotta include all stuff in one vote IIRC. This post cancels past vote(s)
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They're up on the front page under Extended Projects.
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- The Deep Blue Sea
Formatting thing: most folks aren't including the x1
Part of me wonders if we should just go mass levy now and utterly eliminate this problem with a clean stroke... and then just wonder out of the Highlander-lands, leaving them with a big fat "WAT."
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Doesn't really matter unless you can get no one to include it :/ I removed it, but I really hope the remaining ones aren't discarded...
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- Hell
5 new ones
Horologer
Incertae sedis
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- a risen sea
.~.
Not super fond of the HK, going to be honest, and I smell a trap. I'd much rather we get paid in cash. That's a six Wealth difference right there, and we're not exactly swimming in the stuff right now.
I'm almost willing to bet that the entire thing is RNG and simply serves to help with immersion.Let's hope the (90) means that the astrological prediction is more accurate, and that AN didn't invert the system purposefully to throw us all into a loop.
He'd never do that, right?
The priests are just using IC knowledge and their own knowledge of the world. Tack on the human tendency to find patterns that aren't there, the vague nature of most prophecies, and a few lucky guesses...
Or maybe he is actually giving us true predictions. It is a mystery.
We're at Naval 0, because unsurprisingly, trying to fight a bunch of pirates with 1 Naval is a Bad Idea.
More Warships is practically a necessity next turn, unless we want to the Trelli to gouge us for all we're worth again.
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- Austria
Or they do Ironworks (as AN repeatedly hinted wrt "all need iron") in another city and we are over limit. Cue yet another crisis.
Or any city without Baths decides to use its policy on Infra and we are at 2 baths, not one, abd we are over limit.
But yes, you've answered my question - 27/28 is your definition of strategic reserve.
It's almost as if infrastructure policies taking aqueducts everywherre bite us in the ass by forcing into bad situations.
But noooooooo, growth uber alles, sustainability is for suckers. We aren't some stupid hippy tree elves, we need no sustainability and control over what the fuck is going on.
[X] [Art] Sanitation is too important not to entrust to experts! (Several actions gain or increase their Tech costs, +1 Urban Poor power, ???)
[X] [Policy] Diplomacy (+1 Diplo/turn)
[X] [Policy] Skullduggery (+1 Intrigue/turn, -2 Diplo)
[X] [Policy] Trade (+1 Wealth/turn)
[X] [Policy] City Support (2 True Cities have their maintenance paid for each turn)
[X] [Policy] Special: Vassal Support (+1 Subordinate while active, increases Loyalty while active at less than full subordinates)
[X] [HK] Offer to let them buy the Banner Company contracts
-[X] [HK] Show goodwill (Pay upkeep costs yourself but gain Diplomacy instead for duration of hire)
[X] [Policy] Diplomacy (+1 Diplo/turn)
[X] [Policy] Skullduggery (+1 Intrigue/turn, -2 Diplo)
[X] [Policy] Trade (+1 Wealth/turn)
[X] [Policy] City Support (2 True Cities have their maintenance paid for each turn)
[X] [Policy] Special: Vassal Support (+1 Subordinate while active, increases Loyalty while active at less than full subordinates)
[X] [HK] Offer to let them buy the Banner Company contracts
-[X] [HK] Show goodwill (Pay upkeep costs yourself but gain Diplomacy instead for duration of hire)
Mhm. Our policies, which have basically always gone for quests first and never too us over stats limits, are going to do an about-face and go for Ironworks despite having a Marketplace quest and being at Forest Cap.
Yeah. That sounds likely.
We have two free cities which choose their own policies, and those already have baths.
Other cities don't get any role in assigning policies.
No, 25/28 is a strategic reserve. Please don't misquote me.
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- Location
- The Middle of the Howling Wilderness
Thanks for the catch!
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- They/Them
I'm hoping that Freehills can build some warships to contest them there and we can get escorts from them. But then I imagine Freehills have their own problems right now...