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It was!
Then it lead into our current situation.
And everything was EVEN MORE AMAZING BECAUSE IT IS NOW ON FIRE AND I LIKE BASKING IN IT SO HELP ME CROW.
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Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
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Then it lead into our current situation.
And everything was EVEN MORE AMAZING BECAUSE IT IS NOW ON FIRE AND I LIKE BASKING IN IT SO HELP ME CROW.
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The limit is 12 and we only have 9?
BungieONI
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We have 14 provinces.
Provinces for Projects: Redvalley (C) (Valleyhome+Redhills), Sacred Shore (9/9) (Redshore+Sacred Forest), Inner Forest (0/9), Upper Hillhome (0/9) Stoneshore (0/9) (Stonepen + Northshore), Hatshore (0/9) (Southshore+ Hatriver), Blackiron Province (9/9) (Blackriver+Ironshore), Hatvalley (0/9), Stallion Province (0/9), Valleyguard Province (0/9), Vinehills (0/9), Eastern Steppewatch (0/9), Western Steppewatch (0/9), Porthills (0/9)
I made a joke and pointed out exactly how the Docks were useful after they got brought up. The rest has been like half a dozen posts of people saying it somehow wouldn't be useful, eventually falling back on saying they wouldn't be useful because holding the Straits is going to prevent us from doing anything else.
Which is, to say, that I wasn't part of the main discussion, but people are making it about that. I already made my points earlier in the thread and said what I'd be willing to give up for the Straits. I don't feel particularly strongly about either option, so I don't feel like constantly going over my points to influence an outcome that I'd be fine with either way.
VoidZero
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It was!
Then it lead into our current situation.
And everything was EVEN MORE AMAZING BECAUSE IT IS NOW ON FIRE AND I LIKE BASKING IN IT SO HELP ME CROW.
*attempt to defeat Cthugha cultist with crowbar and seal.
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Front page is out of date.
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Can we increase our strain-free provinces with tech, or do we need a better government type?
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The current state of affairs.
We have never lost Stab from a war except by kicking it. It does boost Loyalty of all subordinates though. Permanently.
Just STARTING the Reforms changed the formula. Centralization went from needing Max to needing some number above 5. Martial went from needing <3 to needing <5.
So it's a multi-angled solution.
One turn is about 15-20 years, so it's only been 45-60 years since the Trell war. So the youngest of the original slave generation are still alive and in power, while the second generation were raised seeing the scars and stories of their parents.
Historicaly, such nations have very little mercy for their abusers. Memories fade in the third generation and it's only been two.
Basically. Discovering THAT was the rise of nationalism(then of course people took it overboard and discovered fascism)
+3 confirmed in income, +1 or +2 in saved strait tax cost. The rest is speculation.
Fortunately spending Wealth is easy. At least, if you were to do expensive actions like the Marian reforms and Influencing subordinates.
The main point of taking Trell was never the wealth drip, the end to slavery or even the Grand Docks. That's a sweetener(though that said a +3 Wealth Drip is basically 3 free secondaries). The important part is strategic control, and diplomatic access to the Khemetri/Mediterranean cultures.
Whoever holds the straits will become a powerful polity very quickly, which in the normal course of things means rivalry and conflict. There will always be social pressure to have strait access, so you can charge ruinous fees for it and people will still pay.
Heck, it paid for a lot of Byzantium just taxing strait access.
Remember we paid the Trelli for Strait access? Do you think the Khemetri also pay for it? Or the Saffron islands, or the yet unknown mediterranean cultures?
You could bill everyone -1 wealth per turn to pass through and basically everyone would.
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Ah, sorry about the misunderstanding.
If you don't happen to feel strongly about any option, is their any way I could convince you to vote for loaning our mercs to Freehills?
You've likely seen all of my arguments so far, but I thought that it wouldn't hurt to ask.
We've never seen tech that would make such an improvement, but we don't have strong evidence that it is impossible. Just unlikely.
If you want to combat strain, one of the best ways is just building roads. Three roads widens our cent gap by as much as two provinces shrink it.
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Indeed it is. I got that list from the end of Debased Gold.
We got a lot from West Wall integrate and internal land reform(though we may need to fill those out to actually get them).
Muahahahahahahah.
Heil Fomalhaut!
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You've yet to justify why we would WANT Mediterranean culture.
Especially in terms of game mechanics, where our trade is determined by which goods we dominate.
Nah, it doesn't hurt, but I'm not ready to flip flop yet. I see a lot of speculation. Some convincing, some not, on both sides. I am reading though, so if I see something convincing enough to swing me, I'll pipe up and say why.
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I'm always happy to vote for more roads. I think I was Roman in a previous life
More friends to invite to the Games for a diplo drip?
VoidZero
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I'm always happy to vote for more roads. I think I was Roman in a previous life
More friends to invite to the Games for a diplo drip?
Roman or romanized Gaul?
That would be nice, if we live pass this, next and the turn after. Cause we haven't even invited KH back or HK.
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I'm always happy to vote for more roads. I think I was Roman in a previous life
More friends to invite to the Games for a diplo drip?
We already have a bunch of people we could invite to the games, but haven't, such as Freehills and the Khemetri.
I also would frankly prefer to get better relations with our existing neighbors before meeting new people and having to deal with their inevitable bs.
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Hopefully we can get rid of "Trelli Delende Est" soon!
Sure. When we've invited even half our current neighbors, lets talk about that. :/
BungieONI
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I'm always happy to vote for more roads. I think I was Roman in a previous life
More friends to invite to the Games for a diplo drip?
This animation is actually exactly my thoughts and feelings, but it is not satirical or sarcastic for me. I am actually thriving in this time.
*scratches chin* Hmmm maybe I should start preaching as to the benefits of worshiping Great Cthugha.
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More people to invite to the games for a diplo drip... eventually?
VoidZero
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Just wait til someone adds "my little empire can't be this broken" and "Ymaryn Delende Est" tag. Where did that hippy elves tag come from anyway?
Eh, might as well. Fire everywhere is an improvement, since everyone is toasted.
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And that means you can make Flaming Zombies!
I think that was from a conversation about a hundred pages back where some people were loudly complaining about the good old times.
Have to survive that long, which is doable, but is hard enough the phrase "Bitchslap Kalameet bare ass naked" might be applicable.More people to invite to the games for a diplo drip... eventually?
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