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I wonder if it's possible to manipulate fey mood. Like, before the vote is called everyone goes back and changes their vote to agree with what won, or hold all voting conversation on a different forum and just vote for the winner on that forum here.
 
Academia Nut said:
Abby Normal said:
How large and powerful would our mercenary company be, anyway? Like...would someone hiring it be hiring an elite group of a few dozen chariot archers and/or heavy infantry, or would they be hiring a group big enough to fight a full front of the lowlands war on it's own, or what?
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It would probably be mostly mixed spearmen and archers.
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Hmm, so not as clear cut as I remembered.

@Academia Nut What is the ratio for our armed forces? How big exactly are our Mercenary Companies?
 
ExNihilo said:
I wonder if it's possible to manipulate fey mood. Like, before the vote is called everyone goes back and changes their vote to agree with what won, or hold all voting conversation on a different forum and just vote for the winner on that forum here.
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Probably not. AN takes into account our actual intentions, after all, so if we did that he'd probably do something like make it so the Ymaryn have some weird political shenanigans going on in the background rather than do another fey mood thing.
 
ExNihilo said:
I wonder if it's possible to manipulate fey mood. Like, before the vote is called everyone goes back and changes their vote to agree with what won, or hold all voting conversation on a different forum and just vote for the winner on that forum here.
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It probably wouldn't be recognized because that would be us trying to game the system, instead of all the voters genuinely agreeing on the same thing without even needing to persuade.
 
Raichu1972 said:
Remember that the Red Banner single-handedly beat the Thunder Horse and got the Thunder Speakers their freedom.
Remember that the Red Banner, with Phygriff, cut a swathe through the Lowlands and Sacked Xohyr with only a little backup from lowlands minors.
Remember that the Red Banner held the line in Gulvalley against the Khemetri while Yeyena was cleaning house against our neighbors.

200 men, no matter how badass or well armed, could not pull of any of those feats by themselves.
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No, clearly, there were 300, as per evidenced by the movie :p

This is Ymaryn!
 
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ExNihilo said:
I wonder if it's possible to manipulate fey mood. Like, before the vote is called everyone goes back and changes their vote to agree with what won, or hold all voting conversation on a different forum and just vote for the winner on that forum here.
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Like others have said, probably wouldn't work.
 
ExNihilo said:
I wonder if it's possible to manipulate fey mood. Like, before the vote is called everyone goes back and changes their vote to agree with what won, or hold all voting conversation on a different forum and just vote for the winner on that forum here.
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I feel like that behavior is somewhat dishonest. To put it lightly.
 
MrGazzer said:
I feel like that behavior is somewhat dishonest. To put it lightly.
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Nah, it would actually be pretty interesting. I mean, it would be like pushing for a symbolic vote of unity or something, which happens in RL as well.

After all, this is AN, the guy who doesn't do a moratorium or allow plan votes because it makes it closer to what a rl political situation would be like. If you could actually manage to convince all the voters to vote for one option for the sake of unity, that would be interesting in and of itself. I don't think he would dislike such a situation.
 
Citino said:
Nah, it would actually be pretty interesting. I mean, it would be like pushing for a symbolic vote of unity or something, which happens in RL as well.

After all, this is AN, the guy who doesn't do a moratorium or allow plan votes because it makes it closer to what a rl political situation would be like. If you could actually manage to convince all the voters to vote for one option for the sake of unity, that would be interesting in and of itself. I don't think he would dislike such a situation.
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Would care to try it out? ;)
 
Citino said:
Nah, it would actually be pretty interesting. I mean, it would be like pushing for a symbolic vote of unity or something, which happens in RL as well.

After all, this is AN, the guy who doesn't do a moratorium or allow plan votes because it makes it closer to what a rl political situation would be like. If you could actually manage to convince all the voters to vote for one option for the sake of unity, that would be interesting in and of itself. I don't think he would dislike such a situation.
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Actually getting everyone just isn't going to happen since engagement varies so much, though.
 
George said:
Actually getting everyone just isn't going to happen since engagement varies so much, though.
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Exactly. Which would mean getting all of the votes would require a ton of effort on someone's part, which could manifest itself in the story in interesting ways. Like, say I go all out and try to get unanimous support for something like taking Trelli from the pirates. If I work my ass off and get everyone to switch over to that vote, that could be represented in the story as a person or faction using their resources to push everyone else into an agreement.

Doing so is hard, but if you did ever manage to do it, I suspect AN would find some way to use it to spice up the story.
 
I originally designed it as a anti-mind-reading plan for things like Adfligo Systema, where it might be useful, and Magnea Gracea (I think that's how it's spelled?) where it actually makes some narrative sense.

I know we have some Marked For Deathers here, would this work there?
 
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Citino said:
Current winning vote:

[] [Iron] Upgrade Iron Blooded to Steel Blooded
[] [Reform] Begin Myranyn Reforms Event Chain
[] [PiA] Freehills (Social Value)
[] [GA] Subordinate reform (-10 Prestige)
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Arming the poor while reforming our subordinates and introducing a social value that's most likely freedom/liberty/democracy-related.
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I suddenly have a very bad feeling about this.
 
Citino said:
Exactly. Which would mean getting all of the votes would require a ton of effort on someone's part, which could manifest itself in the story in interesting ways. Like, say I go all out and try to get unanimous support for something like taking Trelli from the pirates. If I work my ass off and get everyone to switch over to that vote, that could be represented in the story as a person or faction using their resources to push everyone else into an agreement.

Doing so is hard, but if you did ever manage to do it, I suspect AN would find some way to use it to spice up the story.
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Honestly I think it'd require serious breaches of typical quest etiquette - I think, given a quest with this many voters, that you'd probably have to badger some people in PMs to get them to change their vote, even supposing you're successfully persuasive in every case. One person just not checking the forum or digging in their heels or trolling destroys the unanimity. I think it really takes the update-induced bias moment to make happen, though you can certainly nudge it if something is already getting 90%.
 
Meh
all communist-related social systems are desirable

wait, is communism an economic, social, or political philosophy?
 
Another good reason to absorb the Hamurri trade related trait is that it will hopefully help moderate our new religions ideas about trade, as the geography means that the new value will have to be transmitted through the part of the Ymaryn domains where it's strongest.
 
Yeah, opening a social mystery box during a times of great social upheaval may have adverse consequences. Harmurri would be safer, I think.
 
Academia Nut said:
This is... tricky. Practically speaking it's mostly under the control of the state, but the patricians are the ones who run it all, so there is a bit of "It's not their stuff supporting the armies, but if they used the armies to declare it their stuff it wouldn't necessarily all fall apart." Of course, its already like that, so none of the options presented would change the situation that much in either direction.
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Random Member said:
Arming the poor while reforming our subordinates and introducing a social value that's most likely freedom/liberty/democracy-related.
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I suddenly have a very bad feeling about this.
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If we do reverse Rome and go from kingdom to republc because of Marian reform, I am going to be eternally amused. I don't even care if it will break us (especially because I am not voting for not!Marian reform and FREEDOM), this is just hilarious.
 
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