infrastructure snowballs that much better until we overreach, suffer trouble, and then collapse
tech doesn't suffer that problem unless it has massive impacts on societal structure, e.g. law and currency

it's sort of a "do we want to build wide or tall" debate
The thought that more infrastructure will kill us is stupid.
the "AI" is not braindead and we have enough projects that that won't be a problem for a while.
and even if we have that problem we can change the policies.
 
Agree w/ everything but this. Or at least the implication that can be taken from this statement, intended or not, that tech is of limited use in comparison to brute mass.

Tech is hella useful. It increases our interest rate.

What I meant is that tech without the infrastructure is much less useful.

It's the difference between having a few blacksmiths hammering on iron, and having a developed logistics network that provides fuel, ore and labour at comparatively cheap costs.

Both make you an iron sword.

But one of them, makes you thousands. Just having knowledge only carries you so far.

They are both multipliers that stack, so getting as much as possible of both increases the end result tremendously.

In our case, we have a very well established and stable society that knows how to do logistics, plenty of excess wealth (not just the stat, but in terms of everything we can buy things with) to reinvest, lots of land to use for various purposes and cultural values that allow us to progress fairly fast. Tech they can steal. The others are a lot harder to get.

It's basically like North Korea getting the plans for a modern aircraft. That doesn't translate into engineers that can make those plans a reality, nor into having the resources or tools to make producing them practical and even if you do, everyone else still outnumbers them hilariously.
 
What I meant is that tech without the infrastructure is much less useful.

It's the difference between having a few blacksmiths hammering on iron, and having a developed logistics network that provides fuel, ore and labour at comparatively cheap costs.

Both make you an iron sword.

But one of them, makes you thousands. Just having knowledge only carries you so far.

They are both multipliers that stack, so getting as much as possible of both increases the end result tremendously.

In our case, we have a very well established and stable society that knows how to do logistics, plenty of excess wealth (not just the stat, but in terms of everything we can buy things with) to reinvest, lots of land to use for various purposes and cultural values that allow us to progress fairly fast. Tech they can steal. The others are a lot harder to get.

It's basically like North Korea getting the plans for a modern aircraft. That doesn't translate into engineers that can make those plans a reality, nor into having the resources or tools to make producing them practical and even if you do, everyone else still outnumbers them hilariously.
also that.
the only harmfull things i can imagine comming from to much infrastructure is excess RA which won't happen because the policy switches when the stat is yellow and temples are low priority anyway or we build to much baths so that we have more demand than suply of suistainable forests.
 
What I meant is that tech without the infrastructure is much less useful.
sure, and infrastructure w/o tech doesn't exist

you can have a thousand smiths but if all you know is rock flaking ur screwed

The thought that more infrastructure will kill us is stupid.
it's a mechanical fact
the only way to avoid it is to a) not snowball our infrastructure or b) race to make our tech (social or material) match. Including gov style in social tech, btw.
 
What I meant is that tech without the infrastructure is much less useful.

It's the difference between having a few blacksmiths hammering on iron, and having a developed logistics network that provides fuel, ore and labour at comparatively cheap costs

On the other hand, without Tech infrastructure is outdated and useless.

The difference between a thousand slaves or a single mill.
 
@Academia Nut
  • Have the Khemetri adopted mills and those water-lifting wheels? If not, could we send them some engineers as a make-up gift?
  • Do the Ymaryn and the Khemetri share observatory data? If not, could we start sending them ours as either a gift or an offer to trade?
Reminder that our relations took a hit because the Khemetri saw us as insane, not because we offended them. Bribing them with technology only makes us look more insane.

Pretty much the best thing to do for Khemetri relations is to finish the war in a way they can understand, then keep sending Trade Missions to them to normalize ties.

But Trade Missions require an open route to the Khemetri to be effective, so we need to get Straits access first for it to be done any time soon.
 
Saturday. Barring some complete disaster, I should have both the time and my head in the game for a Saturday update.

If the numbers are off then, just go with it, I think part of it is that I have so many turns of changes set up that it's become a mess, and a "Screw it, just go with it" reset will be for the best.
 
Saturday. Barring some complete disaster, I should have both the time and my head in the game for a Saturday update.

If the numbers are off then, just go with it, I think part of it is that I have so many turns of changes set up that it's become a mess, and a "Screw it, just go with it" reset will be for the best.
Fine by me :)

Crossing fingers to ward away disaster. I am literally gleeful in imagining what Yshuyn is going to be like. The suspense sustains me!
 
if we didn't do organize settlement so early we'd now have to build sewers.
 
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Saturday. Barring some complete disaster, I should have both the time and my head in the game for a Saturday update.

If the numbers are off then, just go with it, I think part of it is that I have so many turns of changes set up that it's become a mess, and a "Screw it, just go with it" reset will be for the best.

We have @Abby Normal, @veekie, @zamin on the number front man, we only need the sauce... i'm starving already...

EDIT: Don't forget that 21 of September comes another Stellaris update;
 
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What if Kiefer Sutherland plays a forester?

Designated Survivor:

On the night on the State of the Kingdom, an explosion and series of assassinations claimed the lives of the King, the privy council, heir and the parliament, basically the entire succession line. Tmailygwn Kurk, the minister of forestry, the designated survivor, became the King amid conspiracy theories and widespread unrest.

But the decapitation strike and the ensuing baying for blood may be too much for the oldest continuous state on Earth. Can the kingdom survive?
 
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What if Kiefer Sutherland plays a forester?

Designated Survivor:

On the night on the State of the Kingdom, an explosion and series of assassinations claimed the lives of the King, the privy council, heir and the parliament, basically the entire succession line. Tmailygwn Kurk, the minister of forestry, the designated survivor, became the King amid conspiracy theories and widespread unrest.

o_O
 
I'm thinking of writing an omake on the complete disappearance of the Ymaryn from this point in history for two hundred years if Academia doesn't write a post today.

I'm having problems visualising what the Khemetri would do. Would they take over the land of the Ymaryn, or would the surrounding groups declare it a holy land?
 
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