Paths of Civilization
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Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
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Big reply later. I don't understand what you mean by actions and stats separately. So far as I understand I already count them separate. can you tell me what a cost would look like with them separate in your mind?You'd have to change something fundamental in your system. I admit, it's not pretty, and I don't have a good answer for it off of the top of my head. However, I would basically put the creation of actions as it's own stat... I may have rambled way too much in my post there and not made things clear. Simply seperating actions from economy will give us a much more honest idea of how much things cost, because time is a very different value then stats.
It would give a more honest interpretation on how efficient an action is, since we never spend both action and stats as if they are the same thing, and we can see how many stats something costs. This will get messy with centralization, though, as much of it's cost is in time to fix.
I would probably just create a new division for that, but that's me. You could try to account for things that we can't easily gain such as centralization sink and LTE sink, the cost of keeping stats that are best kept within a range, but altered by the action, back to the starting point. It wouldn't as easy to punch into a spread sheet and let it take care of the problem, but it's not hard to actually calculate.
Forests as a passive policy do lower our LTE. In fact that is one of the reasons we don't pick them now that I think about it, though not the biggest one. They often gain LTE and we want to do that less and less now, as it becomes more of a problem than something we seek out.
From a numerical standpoint, having a permanent increase in forests and decrease in LTE punches into a lot of our calculations, such as means of lowering centralization more efficiently via wildcat prospecting, which seems to generate both more stats and strategic advantageous than distribute land (though we have not really explored it to be sure of the latter).
From a non numerical standpoint it increases the defensibility of our terrain, expands upon one of our core values as it gets more people interacting with trees, and gives us a vital resource that we find ourselves in constant need of for one reason or another.
Temples can easily start a city, which people will want aqueducts for.
Well, if you're willing to pop multiple true cities, this is okay. After 2, this time frame will continue to increase more and more, and that's time without a passive policy. It's not even close to ideal, or something we should be okay with handling on it's own. It's also massively inefficient when we could just cut off the problem ahead of time by making something we want anyways.
I forget, though, do free cities not have to worry about the LTE or are they fully independent surviving cities? Because oh boy, that would make things easier, which no one seems to want to do.Okay, not no one, but not nearly enough of the thread is willing to start up a free city for various reasons.
Hmm, maybe we can still move towards it, it's quite compatible with our playstyle.
Ooo, Great Ironworks?
That also has the added benefit of being incredibly defensible against nomads. Nothing like fortifications behind a moat, especially if said moat is a goddamned river.
Not like it happens quickly. I'd probably bet on about 3-4 generations before we realize what's happening, and develop waterlocks.
...building a dam first would help.
I don't think we've drawn enough water away to hurt erosion before?
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- Orlando, Florida
@Concho117 I'm willing to become part of the Ymaryn Democratic Socialist Party. Is there a private conversation for it?
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[X][Mystic] Search the entire kingdom for someone who might understand her and put her at ease (-1 Mystic, -1 Econ, -1 Wealth, -1 Culture)
[X][Hero] Organizing all of this was hell, but one clerk refused to buckle (Heroic to Genius level administrator)
[X][Prov] Integrate Stallions (-6 Diplo, +5 Econ, +5 Econ Expansion, +8 Mysticism, +4 Culture, +2 Tech, +10 Martial, new core province)
[X][React] Megaproject - The Games
-[X][React] Kick Megaproject
[X][Policy] Special: Forestry (+1 Sustainable Forest and -1 Econ Expansion/2 turns)
[X][Policy] Infrastructure (+1 Free Progress to an infrastructure project (Aqueduct, governor's palace, saltern, etc.)/turn) x1
[X][Bonus] Upgrade a random value
[X][Mystic] Search the entire kingdom for someone who might understand her and put her at ease (-1 Mystic, -1 Econ, -1 Wealth, -1 Culture)
[X][Hero] Organizing all of this was hell, but one clerk refused to buckle (Heroic to Genius level administrator)
[X][Prov] Integrate Stallions (-6 Diplo, +5 Econ, +5 Econ Expansion, +8 Mysticism, +4 Culture, +2 Tech, +10 Martial, new core province)
[X][React] Megaproject - The Games
-[X][React] Kick Megaproject
[X][Policy] Special: Forestry (+1 Sustainable Forest and -1 Econ Expansion/2 turns)
[X][Policy] Infrastructure (+1 Free Progress to an infrastructure project (Aqueduct, governor's palace, saltern, etc.)/turn) x1
[X][Bonus] Upgrade a random value
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
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- Anywhere but RL
If it's a grand forge then:
Huge rise in production capacity and related logistics advancements
With social/faith problems from smog and heavy metal pollutants.
Sooooo, maybe?
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- Mists of Albion
Quite. However the Democrats seem rather too pacifistic and idealistic. The Highlanders cannot be conquered in a war, they aren't stupid enough to start another one on their own, thus their pacifism disagrees with me. Furthermore democracy on the scale of the Ymaryn Kingdom is an impossible dream at this point in time and likely would require a civil war to enact due to the nobles entrenchment. For those and other reasons I view the party as too weak and idealistic.
TheDanishLord
Viking Warlord
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- Denmark
The Oportunistick Monarchists do not wish for feudalisme but rather a Elective Monarchy or better an absolut monarchy
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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Sadly I must rescind my proposal for formal alliance. McLuvin and TheDanishLord have expressed a desire to stay with only the Goblet.
I think the best, since our overall mission statements are similar is to not step on each others toes and remain cordial.
To a different and more serious topic, what do you think of the possibility of a Great Forge in the Redhills as a megaproject?
Concho117
Going really fast!
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Welcome to the party!
I'll go ahead and start one up.
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- Australia
@Academia Nut
Hay how much of us going Guild Mercantile and not any of the others was because of Wildcat Prospecting. I have a theory about this.
Hay how much of us going Guild Mercantile and not any of the others was because of Wildcat Prospecting. I have a theory about this.
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Sounds good to me.
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- Orlando, Florida
Relevant:
Of course, we are Keynesian Democratic Socialists who care about civil rights instead of authoritarian communists poisoned by Lenin's ideas.
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Thanks.
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
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- within 2 hours of the White House
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nah we're just bein silly
TheDanishLord
Viking Warlord
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- Denmark
Great Forge
sounds great and have my full support
allways a fan of industry
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
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BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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Are you guys thinking of primitive workflow optimization and work circles? Because I am.
I mean this thing if it gets going is going to be producing metric frakloads of metal, so I figure a lot of it is going to be logistical stuff that we have to figure out.
Link please?
TheDanishLord
Viking Warlord
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- Denmark
maybe the Great Forge will enable us to make something like colossus
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It was actually because it was the only system where you had really done anything to advance the pre-requisites. Guild was in the by default and Mandala was sort of already there because you ran on Palace, but then with the arsenals and artisan support that shoved it over the top to where it wasn't even a roll.
It seems rather necessary for us at the time.
But at the same time, the arsenal's effect didn't really come into being until near the end of the war.
Concho117
Going really fast!
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- Somewhere in Orbit
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
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whats the process for switching? get more gov. palaces, and other prereqs, and then what?