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Citino said:
So let's say we went back to war. Let's even say we had a series of sweeping victories somehow. We crush the Khemtri army, destroy their colony and...

What next?

We can't actually fully defeat the Khemetri, and even taking the colony they have would be difficult and dangerous. Ending the war fast, when we've made a terrifying impression that AN has confirmed to mean that they won't even think of warring with us for the next century, is the best possible situation.

No, they won't grow faster than us. Remember, expansion also means you are butting against more threats as well. Unless we look really weak, or if they find more benefit to attacking us than just trading with us, there is no reason to fight again.

Hell, the contact means that our traders are about to be overjoyed, as they will be able to directly import Khemetri goods rather than have to pay through Trelli ports. So both of us are going to massively benefit here.
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Continue the war was never about finishing them off, just achieving good peace terms. Ones where we gain Somthing, or at the absolute least, lose nothing.
I don't think anyone was delusional enough to think we can actually wipe out khemtri.
 
Falsehaven said:
But closer to their heartlands not ours. They will just grow more powerfull, faster that we will.
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1. As we move closer to their heartland, it will be much harder fight & harder to keep the border. If we're almost screwed fighting near our border, then even more away from it.
2. Not sure about who will grow more powerful faster, we have baby boomers & population exploration going, & we're technologically superior. We have discovered way towards stronger iron & not that far off towards steel. I'm more inclined to believe time is on our side.
 
Falsehaven said:
But closer to their heartlands not ours. They will just grow more powerfull, faster that we will.
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Why would that be true? The only change that occurred was that they got +10 wealth and lost the King status and we lost +10 wealth and kept the King status. They will be burning the wealth to maintain prestige, as far as I can tell. And even if they don't we get that back in two turns.

King, meanwhile, gives us a constant payment of +1 diplo which means that we *grow* faster/turn stat-wise.
 
Lilithium said:
Past that, I worry for what Yenyna's fate will be after this. Despite the parallels not being exact and our religion being very different, Yenyna is our Jeanne D'Arc.

We all know what happens to Jeanne. And what happens to Giles.
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I'm pretty sure that if any such things start to happen she will kill everyone who is trying, and keep killing till she dies.

That would suck ass.

More likely I think she may retreat to the Dragon Temple until she is needed again and then come out for one glorious final battle against the treacherous HK.
 
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maximillian said:
Continue the war was never about finishing them off, just achieving good peace terms. Ones where we gain Somthing, or at the absolute least, lose nothing.
I don't think anyone was delusional enough to think we can actually wipe out khemtri.
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This was about as good of peace terms as we were going to get. It cost each side something, but each side also gains enough to be satisfied.

Continuing the war would have likely alienated the Prince, who was clearly shown to be extremely impressed with us. Said prince has also vowed to go back and make sure that when the deeds of the war are recorded by the priest, it is shown how badass the Ymaryn are.

Like, what kind of peace terms were you hoping further conflict could get us?
 
BungieONI said:
I'm pretty sure that if any such things start to happen she will kill everyone who is trying, and keep killing till she dies.

That would suck ass.

More likely I think she may retreat to the Dragon Temple until she is needed again and then come out for one glorious final battle against the treacherous HK.
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Nah, she'll retire to the temple, realize the nomad horde's here, break that over her knee and sword, and then as she's an old lady go down to the whippersnappers in the Highland Kingdoms and drown their cities until they comply.
 
maximillian said:
You know, for a bunch of supposed hippies, you folks are sure enthusiastic about building dams.
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Seeing as the Ymaryn prevented Climate Change and Saved a forest, in addition to their love of nature and cultural need to care/protect the earth-

As a stone cold treehugger that grew up in a very forested area, in a state were a 30 minute drive takes you to nature conservations and wildlife sanctuaries, watching Ghibbli movies and such on repeat multiple times a day or reading Natgeo, and all after pretty much every other school thing was about protecting the wetlands;

I fucking trust the Ymaryn people not to completely fuck over the natural world.
 
Huh, you know, it's pretty likely that if we don't go to war next turn, our Dragon General will probably go wipe out the nearby nomads with the ST and HH forces.

Nice.
 
huhYeahGoodPoint said:
Nah, she'll retire to the temple, realize the nomad horde's here, break that over her knee and sword, and then as she's an old lady go down to the whippersnappers in the Highland Kingdoms and drown their cities until they comply.
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I'm cool with that.

Mission killed the Thunder Horse and Highlanders in her late teens, fought the Khemetri to a peace as a young twenty something, breaks the Nomads as a thirty something, then kills the Highlanders in her fifties.

I am okay with this.

*The Dragon may get old, but She never falters*

Citino said:
Huh, you know, it's pretty likely that if we don't go to war next turn, our Dragon General will probably go wipe out the nearby nomads with the ST and HH forces.

Nice.
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Hey if that happens that means we can integrate the Stallions. Finally.
 
PrimalShadow said:
Even with a different king, both of our civs would have had KotH. Are you suggesting they would have been willing to give it up without a fight?
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The Prince probably wouldn't have considered peace to be a viable option, to the point of overthrowing his father to achieve it, if he hadn't seen the horror of over 100,000 people dead in a single battle.
So yeah, any King would have fought us over that land, because the Khemetri King believes they are a God within a mortal coil, and that all land will eventually be under their dominion.

That's why I'm glad we took this peace now, because this was probably the best chance we would have gotten.
 
Citino said:
This was about as good of peace terms as we were going to get. It cost each side something, but each side also gains enough to be satisfied.

Continuing the war would have likely alienated the Prince, who was clearly shown to be extremely impressed with us. Said prince has also vowed to go back and make sure that when the deeds of the war are recorded by the priest, it is shown how badass the Ymaryn are.

Like, what kind of peace terms were you hoping further conflict could get us?
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Worst case scenario, white peace.
Best case, monetary compensation.
 
Citino said:
This was about as good of peace terms as we were going to get. It cost each side something, but each side also gains enough to be satisfied.

Continuing the war would have likely alienated the Prince, who was clearly shown to be extremely impressed with us. Said prince has also vowed to go back and make sure that when the deeds of the war are recorded by the priest, it is shown how badass the Ymaryn are.

Like, what kind of peace terms were you hoping further conflict could get us?
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I don't think a white peace was impossible; I do think it would've cost more than 10 stat points to get, though.
 
Raichu1972 said:
The Prince probably wouldn't have considered peace to be a viable option, to the point of overthrowing his father to achieve it, if he hadn't seen the horror of over 100,000 people dead in a single battle.
So yeah, any King would have fought us over that land, because the Khemetri King believes they are a God within a mortal coil, and that all land will eventually be under their dominion.

That's why I'm glad we took this peace now, because this was probably the best chance we would have gotten.
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That's what they think and say on paper, but it's clear from Resham's pov that it is not so in practice. Like in real life.
 
Lilithium said:
Seeing as the Ymaryn prevented Climate Change and Saved a forest, in addition to their love of nature and cultural need to care/protect the earth-

As a stone cold treehugger that grew up in a very forested area, in a state were a 30 minute drive takes you to nature conservations and wildlife sanctuaries, watching Ghibbli movies and such on repeat multiple times a day or reading Natgeo, and all after pretty much every other school thing was about protecting the wetlands;

I fucking trust the Ymaryn people not to completely fuck over the natural world.
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But there is no such thing as an ecologically friendly dam. Not even with the best modern tech
 
Umi-san said:
Why would that be true? The only change that occurred was that they got +10 wealth and lost the King status and we lost +10 wealth and kept the King status. They will be burning the wealth to maintain prestige, as far as I can tell. And even if they don't we get that back in two turns.

King, meanwhile, gives us a constant payment of +1 diplo which means that we *grow* faster/turn stat-wise.
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They will grow faster because they have more land, more lands = more people, more people = stronger. Diplo didn't stop HK and TH from attacking us, econ/ actions are more usefull then diplo.
 
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