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[X] Offer tribute (-5 Prestige, -10 Wealth, keeps King of the Hill, chance of +1 Stability)

This however, ensures that we can use that midturn on raising stability or other important infrastructure.

Also, this seems to be the best path to set up Reshemhetari with Yenyna. <3

That is the biggest decider for me :3
 
The correct choice here is clearly offering Tribute. There's no actual need for us to fight and we can spare both the Wealth and the Prestige (Gygo, the latter will recover in short time due to King of the Hill).

Now, if I acknowledge the other option is better, why do I vote for war?
Well, clearly the battlefield is the only place for our newfound Couple #1<3 to rendevous, and we really can't take that away from them.
 
[X] The war will continue (War continues, have mid-turn actions before next War Mission rolls to potentially regenerate forces)
 
Susano said:
We never even use prestige for anything anyway, and we're at Martial 3!
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*all of our subordinates look at the camera like they're in the office*
*our high pilgrimage despite our low investment looks at the camera like it's in the office*
*the fact that other people are attacking us less often than they could be looks at the camera like it's in the office*

Susano said:
We have a buffer, though. We currently only have 9/12 possible subordinate states.
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yeah and if we give them the prestige we'll be at 9/10 possible subordinate states
wrong #'s, still 9/12

Susano said:
They can burn RA instead.
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which is thus their equivalent of stab and thus still painful
 
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McLuvin said:
[x] The war will continue (War continues, have mid-turn actions before next War Mission rolls to potentially regenerate forces)
No!
We must break them here or they will come back and stab us again.
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Not so sure on the backstab given their heir is planning on literally enshrining "DO NOT UNDERESTIMATE THESE PEOPLE"
[X] Offer tribute (-5 Prestige, -10 Wealth, keeps King of the Hill, chance of +1 Stability)
 
Okay, *fine*, I don't want more of our people to bleed and I do want to get back on the path to building all the infrastructure and wonders ever, so I'm willing to support tribute.

This also gives us extra prep time before smashing HK.

[X] Offer tribute (-5 Prestige, -10 Wealth, keeps King of the Hill, chance of +1 Stability)
 
Trying to push for a better deal than one of the two options is bound to lose us our defensive war status. That thing that allows us to kick our war missions, and improves our soldiers' fighting ability.

We should end it here.
 
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@Academia Nut is tribute basically giving Resh the money and acknowledgement necessary to overthrow pops? Cuz if it's basically a bribe to pay for his coup, I'm almost willing to go for that.
 
thatguy said:
The Khemetri are offering terms
[] Acknowledge superiority (-15 Prestige, loses King of the Hill, peace, chance of +1 Stability)
[] Offer tribute (-5 Prestige, -10 Wealth, keeps King of the Hill, chance of +1 Stability)
[] The war will continue (War continues, have mid-turn actions before next War Mission rolls to potentially regenerate forces)​

I'm seriously considering offering tribute, we don't get much of value from beating the khemetri, while we could instead shift focus onto the highlanders for the genius to handle, then conquer.
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Raichu1972 said:
Guys, the Tribute is a good deal.

It's basically us giving the Prince money so he can usurp the King and force the nobles to accept us as KotH with bribes,
They have more martial than us, and I on't want to risk Gulvalley.

Plus, it lets us build up martial to take out the Highlanders.
We get actions to support guilds every turn, so we can easily build up wealth that way. We also get an extra 2 wealth a turn for not having to pay for Trelli mercs.

This is the option to ensure peace.
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If we had chosen to upgrade we have reserves, then I wouldn't mind tribute. But the legacy was chosen, and so we must bloody use it, seeing as it has absolutely no other uses.
 
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[X] Offer tribute (-5 Prestige, -10 Wealth, keeps King of the Hill, chance of +1 Stability)
[] The war will continue (War continues, have mid-turn actions before next War Mission rolls to potentially regenerate forces)

Approval voting ho!

AN has said that we can end the war with tribute, which we will quickly recover with overflow by a shit ton. We can also take the stab hit from wealth if it happens. Also, Hero crit + Genius crit = Fucking Awesome!

But I reallly want to kill them.

E: I really want to kill them. So bad.

But hey we may have a friend here in play possibly. That'd be nice.
 
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Raichu1972 said:
Guys, the Tribute is a good deal.

It's basically us giving the Prince money so he can usurp the King and force the nobles to accept us as KotH with bribes,
They have more martial than us, and I on't want to risk Gulvalley.

Plus, it lets us build up martial to take out the Highlanders.
We get actions to support guilds every turn, so we can easily build up wealth that way. We also get an extra 2 wealth a turn for not having to pay for Trelli mercs.

This is the option to ensure peace.
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Is that what it means? In that case, I support it. I hate to admit it, but we're too weak to have a highly successful war with the Khemetri at this point. At the very least we need to wait until they are weaker and we have consumed the Highlanders.

[X] Offer tribute (-5 Prestige, -10 Wealth, keeps King of the Hill, chance of +1 Stability)
 
Susano said:
We never even use prestige for anything anyway, and we're at Martial 3!
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This is blatantly false man...

Yes we're low martial, but both sides are refueling, essentially resetting the scale. Except this time we have our Genius here form the start and don't have two other fronts to have to win through first. Our chances are very good.

Ceding here on the other hand, means literally everyone who fucked us gets away with a slap on the wrist, or in the case of the main culprit. Literal pots of gold to see them on their way. We need to end this with a suitable win or we'll be in a horrid post war position, our enemies all having enriched themselves while we bled heavily.

If we were in a worse military position i'd say take the hit maybe but as is it is very likely staying the course will see us through and give us a much better end game to deal with the postwar.
 
I still think losing the KotH boondoggle would be cheaper, but it seems I'm alone in this. And yes, supporting a civil war in Khemet sounds good.

[X] Offer tribute (-5 Prestige, -10 Wealth, keeps King of the Hill, chance of +1 Stability)

KleverKil'Vanya said:
Haha haha... No you burn motherfuckers.
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Except we will burn. We're at 3 Martial. Even this apocalyptic battle had their losses being lower. We are up against a superior civilization.
 
Raichu1972 said:
Guys, the Tribute is a good deal.

It's basically us giving the Prince money so he can usurp the King and force the nobles to accept us as KotH with bribes,
They have more martial than us, and I on't want to risk Gulvalley.

Plus, it lets us build up martial to take out the Highlanders.
We get actions to support guilds every turn, so we can easily build up wealth that way. We also get an extra 2 wealth a turn for not having to pay for Trelli mercs.

This is the option to ensure peace.
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Actually, you're right. I jumped the gun.

[X] Offer tribute (-5 Prestige, -10 Wealth, keeps King of the Hill, chance of +1 Stability)

Wealth is stupidly cheap to us right now. We get wealth from LEADING trade goods. This is less than 2 turns of drip.

It's WORTH it to not have our actions tied up in war.
 
BungieONI said:
AN has said that we can end the war with tribute, which we will quickly recover with overflow by a shit ton. We can also take the stab hit from wealth if it happens. Also, Hero crit + Genius crit = Fucking Awesome!

But I reallly want to kill them.
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But Resh is a cute and seems like a decent sort! Help him kill his dad, he can be our newest bestie.
 
[X] The war will continue (War continues, have mid-turn actions before next War Mission rolls to potentially regenerate forces)
 
[X] Offer tribute (-5 Prestige, -10 Wealth, keeps King of the Hill, chance of +1 Stability)

This is good, we've won their respect and this is an opportunity that lets everyone involved save face, which means we might have a powerful ally in the future instead of a constant enemy.

More importantly, it means we don't bleed each other white, especially since we have the Trelli willing to take advantage of this.

Wealth is something we can get more of later, especially if we have good trade relations. And King of the Hill was never our priority either.
 
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maximillian said:
If we had chosen to upgrade we have reserves, then I wouldn't mind tribute. But the legacy was chosen, and so we must bloody use, seeing as it has absolutely no other uses.
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The Legacy is useful if we are fighting in a defensive war.
Not taking peace now would be actively wanting to fight the Khemetri, and I doubt it would be taken as a defensive war for Divine Stewards purposes.

Even with our genius general we're still in danger of losing Gulvalley.
Plus, it is the way of the People to accept peace when it is offered. and the Prince obviously understands the power of peace and the horrors of war.

We should send them a trade mission next turn though, while the Prince is still alive, in order to preserve good relations with each other.
 
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Thomasfoolery said:
This is blatantly false man...

Yes we're low martial, but both sides are refueling, essentially resetting the scale. Except this time we have our Genius here form the start and don't have two other fronts to have to win through first. Our chances are very good.

Ceding here on the other hand, means literally everyone who fucked us gets away with a slap on the wrist, or in the case of the main culprit. Literal pots of gold to see them on their way. We need to end this with a suitable win or we'll be in a horrid post war position, our enemies all having enriched themselves while we bled heavily.

If we were in a worse military position i'd say take the hit maybe but as is it is very likely staying the course will see us through and give us a much better end game to deal with the postwar.
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We cede now to get out of the War with a Peer Power so that we can turn around and smack the other people who attacked us, who are definitely weaker than us. It's a common strategy and the best one to insure that we survive and our polity keeps trucking on.

Because if we keep fighting them like this, we will be weakened enough for the HK, TH and Trelli to finish us off, or a random nomad army.
 
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