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So maybe instead of proclaim glory, we found a mercy company so we can move on with the stallion integration?

We don't really need that either, seeing as we can't get anywhere near a Golden Age with the stats we are spending on The Law. All it is, is a wasted action and wasted culture.
 
PrimalShadow said:
Once we finish with The Law, is there a general direction that we want to take things? Obviously we can't make real plans at this point, what with having no idea how the Law will shake things up, but generally - are we planning to keep pushing megaprojects, or are we pivoting to other stuff?
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I want to clear our entire megaproject backlog. We're one-turning them at the moment, so it's doable - and if the Dam and PttS have increased in scope so they're still long, well then, that must mean increased benefits, right? Besides, Dam is still cheap in stats (just Econ - which the Baby Boom covers quite nicely, while it lasts), and we have the location settled.

An Infrastructure Policy could set up an aqueduct in Redshore, get us a saltern to get us +1 wealth (which we are losing this turn due to switching a mature trading post to a colony), fill up our Annex cap, etc.
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I support either Infrastructure or Progress once our megaprojects are done. But since AN has confirmed that the infrastructure passive prefers to continue started projects, it's quite feasible to kick things off with secondaries in the meantime.
Main Expand Forest x2 looks really tempting. So does Main New Trails x2, Main Build Theatre x2, and Main Support Artisans x2.
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Trails :). All the trails. Trails boost everything behind the scenes.
I remember something about Integrating the Thunder Stallions?
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Yep - although there are other subordinates who are more dangerous right now, like the Hawks.

Plus, I'm concerned that if we integrate our last March, we might lose the Protected Core legacy.

We should integrate something pretty soon, though, to get an extra province action.
 
pbluekan said:
So maybe instead of proclaim glory, we found a mercy company so we can move on with the stallion integration?

We don't really need that either, seeing as we can't get anywhere near a Golden Age with the stats we are spending on The Law. All it is, is a wasted action and wasted culture.
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Well, having max stability would be nice for the Law. Most of my reason for it, Golden Age is unnecessary to me.
 
[X] [Main] The Law (Iron Age)
[X] [Secondary] More Boats
[X] [Secondary] Proclaim Glory

[X] [Free] Convert Greenshore to colony
[X] [Free] Change Passive Policy - Innovation (Extra innovation roll each turn)
We have the maxed innovation roll boosting trait, let's use it.

Special: Working on new boat design, building more will accelerate progress
Special: Free use of setting Passive Policy to set new slot​
 
I am expecting the invasion of the metal workers to create refugees. We may want to spend some stability during the mid-turn to make sure that as many of them as possible come to us instead of our neighbors.
 
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Adhoc vote count started by gutza1 on Jul 23, 2017 at 6:48 PM, finished with 83192 posts and 58 votes.
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Vote Tally : Original - Paths of Civilization | Page 3316 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.9.1
Task: Main
[55][Main] The Law (Iron Age)
[3][Main] The Law (Iron Age) x2
[1][Main] Plant Hemp
[1][Main] Aqueduct - Redshore
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[26][Secondary] Plant Hemp
[23][Secondary] Proclaim Glory
[13][Secondary] Support Artisans
[9][Secondary] More Boats
[6][Secondary] Found Mercenary Company
[5][Secondary] Enforce Justice
[4][Secondary] New Trails
[4][Secondary] Aqueduct Redshore
[4][Secondary] Integrate March - Stallion Tribes
[2][Secondary] Trade Mission: Metal Miners
[2][Secondary] Build Theatre
[2][Secondary] More Boats x2
[1][Secondary] Great Dam
[1][Secondary] Great Dam x2
[1][Secondary] Retraining
[1][Secondary] Support Vassal Heaven's Hawks
[1][Secondary] Plant Hemp x2
[1][Secondary] Found Mercenary Company - main pay
——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: Policy
[1][Policy] Industry
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[39][Free] Change Greenshore Trading Post to a Colony
[30][Free] Change Passive Policy - Defence (+1 significant walls/turn)
[13][Free] Change Passive Policy - Infrastructure (+1 Free Progress to an infrastructure project (Aqueduct, governor's palace, saltern, etc.)/turn)
[4][Free] Change Passive Policy - Forestry (+1 Sustainable Forest and -1 Econ Expansion/2 turns)
[2][Free] Change Passive Policy - Special: Vassal Support (+1 Subordinate while active, increases Loyalty while active at less than full subordinates)
[2][Free] Change Passive Policy - Innovation (Extra innovation roll each turn)
——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: Red Banner
[1][Red Banner] Metal Workers
——————————————————————————————————————————————Task: Kick
[2][Kick] The Law (Iron Age)
Total No. of Voters: 58


Candesce said:
Quite likely, given "lose their last colony" was the condition for whatever polity that currently has that legacy was one of the things that would cause them to lose it.
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The Hawks count as a March so we would not lose it for that reason, unless we do them both.
 
pbluekan said:
We don't really need that either, seeing as we can't get anywhere near a Golden Age with the stats we are spending on The Law.
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It depends on the Mid-turn.
The current leading plan of PG + Plant Hemp changes our resource stats by -3 econ, +1 Tech, +1 Myst, +2 Diplo, which would put us at 17 Econ, 15 diplo and 13 Myst mindturn. I think those are within reach of cap with a single additional main.
 
BungieONI said:
The Hawks count as a March so we would not lose it for that reason, unless we do them both.
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I'd be more worried about the Hawks jumping ship. We've never influenced them, so if a big Nomad Waaugh showed up, there's a risk they'd join it rather than help fight it off.

Not that I don't think we'd get warning if that were going to happen, buuut we might not be in position to do anything about it.
 
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BungieONI said:
The Hawks count as a March so we would not lose it for that reason, unless we do them both.
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Good point, but we should probably do them first.

Although they do give really nice military innovations...but they're too independent. Need to influence -> integrate them before they break off and return to the steppes.
 
BungieONI said:
Huh... that's actually something I am kinda okay with.

I also love that our hypothetical Fate/stay night adventures will have some totally fictional heroes to draw from, though not someone like say Medusa.
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Crow is definitely an Archer, maybe Assassin, what with being a stone age raid leader whose entire legend is about sneaking about and causing trouble for those who have irritated him.

Gwygotha fits in with Fates Theme involving Sabers rather well.
 
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Candesce said:
I'd be more worried about the Hawks jumping ship. We've never influenced them, so if a big Nomad Waaugh showed up, there's a risk they'd join it rather than help fight it off.
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Fair point, though I'd be more inclined to think that would happen at lower L&D values than current.
 
Dovahsith said:
Crow is definitely an Archer, maybe Assassin, what with being a stone age raid leader whose entire legend is about sneaking about and causing trouble for those who have irritated him.
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Well... Crow the tribal leader no longer exists in our mythos. He has been elevated enormously into our Creator God. If there is a better analog for Gaia and the World System in our religion I do not know it. Or maybe the equivalent to a personification of the ROOT.

Now if you start looking back to our past Heroes you can probably find a corrupted form of Bwynwyn as a godly strong Caster, Rythulmyn as a Rider or Saber, Rulwyna as a Caster etc.

We tend to spawn shitloads of people who would qualify for Caster. Sadly Gwygoytha is not remembered except in the twins and Gwygowyn the first human, who might(?) be our Gilgamesh expy and due to her mostly divine status actually be stronger than him. I would pay actual money to watch a Gil vs Gwy fight. The dialogue would be pure diamonds.
 
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Candesce said:
Oh, yeah. 'S part of why I'm not campaigning for Influence the Hawks, now now now.

But it's not something we can put off much longer, and doing something about it needs to come before integrating the Stallions.
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I currently put both the Hawks and Txolla ahead of the Stallions in priority, if only because they both have far more divergent cultures and Txolla in particular has been acting up quite a bit because they don't understand our culture or our grievances with them.
 
Omake :the way of shepard, part one :the path.



On barren hills that stretched as far as the eye could see, walked a Lone traveller. In thick cloth he was drabed, and armed with naught but a walking stick. Step by slow step he traversed the hills, never stopping but for the dictates of nature. His feet taking him ever closer to the mountains beyond.

Twas the third winter the man had travelled, and now few thoughts besides cold and hunger were left in Crythdu's head.
In the early months of the journey, he was filled with doubts and concerns, but frigid winds and sharp stones eroded them with every step, concerns of family and position, became those of food and shelter, ambition became desperation, and awe at the majesty of the land became rage, thusly reduced was the man who was once a shaman.

Yet he walked, never swerving or turning. Ever forward until the mountains of his dreams are found. For just as the land bore him down by day, the dreams mocked him by night; showing the mountains, but always just beyond his reach.

And so the seasons changed, the hills flowerd and bloomed, a sensation of colours and scents. It withered and died even as the cacophony of the insects reached soaring heights. The earth became muddy and water flowed in endless streams. A wondrous cycle of continuity.

And so the man walked, and walked, and walked. for all the superfluous in him was long scoured clean. He is naught but a husk carrying within absolute will and perseverance.


Twas the sound of water that sparked new glimmers of emotion into his eyes. And so he looked up, and saw.
Before him was proof of the majesty of the divine, a mountain whose white peaks pierced the Heavens, and who's width would exceed the breadth of the people's sea.

And a mighty stream flowed from the peaks, it's banks a canvas of swerving flowers. With strange colourful insects hopping and flying about.

But what truly brought awe and wonder to Crythdu's shrunken soul was the divine beast. For it could not possibly be anything else.
It stood on four legs, covered in thick silvery wool, it's coat oozing majesty. It's visage was one of pride and dominance, crowned by a pair of mighty horns of purest ivory.

And behind it stood a herd of its lesser kind, no, not a herd. The white on the mountain was not snow! It was a flock of unimaginable proportions!

"Come mortal one, you have travelled far and proven worthy" proclaimed the divine beast
"You have found the hidden temple of great Kharouf, it is time for you to learn the secret arts of the shepards"
 
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Approval vote ALL the options!

[X][Secondary] Support Artisans
[X][Secondary] More Boats
[X][Secondary] Found Mercenary Company
[X][Secondary] Enforce Justice
[X][Secondary] New Trails
[X][Secondary] Aqueduct Redshore
[X][Secondary] Retraining

[X][Free] Change Passive Policy - Infrastructure (+1 Free Progress to an infrastructure project (Aqueduct, governor's palace, saltern, etc.)/turn)
[X][Free] Change Passive Policy - Forestry (+1 Sustainable Forest and -1 Econ Expansion/2 turns)
[X][Free] Change Passive Policy - Innovation (Extra innovation roll each turn)

[X][Free] Found Colony - Convert Greenshore Trading Post to a Colony
 
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ThrawnCA said:
Good point, but we should probably do them first.

Although they do give really nice military innovations...but they're too independent. Need to influence -> integrate them before they break off and return to the steppes.
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I'm not at all interested in integrating the Hawks. Supporting or Influencing them? Sure. But actually making them a core territory seems like a bad idea. They don't really contribute to a failure cascade, we don't need their land for connectivity, and they don't have any religious/cultural infrastructure that we need to centralize. Basically, all of our reasons for wanting to integrate the Stallions don't apply to the Hawks.

The only real problem with them at this point is the stats, and that can be easily and cheaply mitigated by taking Support Subordinate actions.

Furthermore. The Hawks are actually doing valuable work where they are, guarding our borders and communicating with the Nomads better than we'd be able to ourselves. Basically, they are doing absolutely great where they are; why integrate them?
 
BungieONI said:
Well... Crow the tribal leader no longer exists in our mythos. He has been elevated enormously into our Creator God. If there is a better analog for Gaia and the World System in our religion I do not know it. Or maybe the equivalent to a personification of the ROOT.

Now if you start looking back to our past Heroes you can probably find a corrupted form of Bwynwyn as a godly strong Caster, Rythulmyn as a Rider or Saber, Rulwyna as a Caster etc.

We tend to spawn shitloads of people who would qualify for Caster. Sadly Gwygoytha is not remembered except in the twins and Gwygowyn the first human, who might(?) be our Gilgamesh expy and due to her mostly divine status actually be stronger than him. I would pay actual money to watch a Gil vs Gwy fight. The dialogue would be pure diamonds.
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I presume it would be her tanking one of his heavy hitting phantasms and informing him "he'd make someone a pretty little wife one day."

He'd proceed to take exception to that.
 
BungieONI said:
Well... Crow the tribal leader no longer exists in our mythos. He has been elevated enormously into our Creator God. If there is a better analog for Gaia and the World System in our religion I do not know it. Or maybe the equivalent to a personification of the ROOT.

Now if you start looking back to our past Heroes you can probably find a corrupted form of Bwynwyn as a godly strong Caster, Rythulmyn as a Rider or Saber, Rulwyna as a Caster etc.

We tend to spawn shitloads of people who would qualify for Caster. Sadly Gwygoytha is not remembered except in the twins and Gwygowyn the first human, who might(?) be our Gilgamesh expy and due to her mostly divine status actually be stronger than him. I would pay actual money to watch a Gil vs Gwy fight. The dialogue would be pure diamonds.
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crow din not make the world he came form outside so hes more of a Type, Type-Crow if you will

E: [X][Crow] Alien but knowable
 
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