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Umi-san said:
Star lifting is a cool but weird concept. Is it possible to fuse matter on a large enough scale to turn hydrogen into, say, iron in usable quantities?
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If I recall my physcis correctly, yes. It's just obscenely difficult to do with anything less than a Solar Mass amount of hydrogen.

What I meant by Starlifting there was literally peeling the target stars like onions and filtering out the heavy elements, like iron, from them while putting back the hydrogen and helium.

Funnily enough if I remember right this actually lengthens the lifetime of the star, up to a certain point.


All this becomes easier once we develop direct energy to matter conversion tech though.
 
Umi-san said:
How to be the best civ possible: Drive to a red giant. Harvest a bunch of asteroids for their metal. Establish a small particle accelerator, power array, and starlift setup. Generate more metal. Repeat, scaling upward until max efficiency is reached. Send some people off to a different Red Giant.
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You don't need a red giant. Any star will do.

In fact you may want to scoop matters from blue giants so that they last longer.
 
Manget said:
is there anything wrong with going for Emancipation CBs?
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I'd like to be the kind of civ that would see this as a valid reason to go to war, even if we are pragmatic enough and peaceful enough that we often don't do so.

VoidZero said:
Fighting a war to free slaves? It's a good excuse but the practice will not go away. Let's not even talk about the lawlessness and chaos after a war.
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I think the mechanism by which we reduce slavery is by vassalizing states that do so and forcing them to discontinue. This expands the fraction of the population that lives in slavery-free states and creates an incentive for others to not practice slavery.
 
drake_azathoth said:
Yeah, honestly, I kinda feel there is. Since everyone in this time period DOES use slavery it's kind of an excuse to go to war with anyone. And I feel if we keep using it, it will eventually REQUIRE us to go to war with everyone.

Not only is that unsustainable, it's basically trying to bludgeon the world into working the way we want rather than try to understand it. There are issues like arms proliferation that spelled the death knell for slavery- we should use them and prove 'slavery doesn't work' rather than prove 'the Ymaryn are bastards'. Like, successful slave revolts may be easier or harder to engineer than conquest, but I feel they are a greater deterrent than just us busting heads.
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the problem is that slavery does work the value of unskilled labor at this time is so high that it is going to be temptation is always going to be there the only way to stop it in the next Thousand Years is if we make it stop with force.

and the only successful slave revolt in history is the Haitian one so i do not think we just do that.
 
colah said:
I think the mechanism by which we reduce slavery is by vassalizing states that do so and forcing them to discontinue. This expands the fraction of the population that lives in slavery-free states and creates an
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We could instead go for innovation options that obsoletes slavery and move towards serf or small land owner economy. Better and easier farming tools and methods or creating demand for larger scale trade good exchange.

Slaves are not as productive as free people with wildly available tools.
 
VoidZero said:
We could instead go for innovation options that obsoletes slavery and move towards serf or small land owner economy. Better and easier farming tools and methods or creating demand for larger scale trade good exchange.

Slaves are not as productive as free people with wildly available tools.
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Slaves were useful until about the Industrial age... I don't think anything other than Faith and Social values will discredit slavery, Hell we have our pseudo Not!Slavery with the Half Exiles who fill the niche.
 
VoidZero said:
We could instead go for innovation options that obsoletes slavery and move towards serf or small land owner economy. Better and easier farming tools and methods or creating demand for larger scale trade good exchange.

Slaves are not as productive as free people with wildly available tools.
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We ain't going to be able to remove slavery unless we get to modern time.
 
Hah well looks like we are going to war I sure hope you guys are right about the trelli's... everything (Military strength, relationship with their neighbors, placement of their armies) because if the TP and the red banners fall we would have given them iron so we cannot even count on the bronze age collapse to wipe them out.
 
Reader of all said:
Hah well looks like we are going to war I sure hope you guys are right about the trelli's... everything (Military strength, relationship with their neighbors, placement of their armies) because if the TP and the red banners fall we would have given them iron so we cannot even count on the bronze age collapse to wipe them out.
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We don't have to go to war if four people switched their vote.
 
Reader of all said:
Please if someone were to block one of our trade routes and place a tarrif where there used to none people would instantly want to go to war with them why do you expect differently.
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And what if that was blocking our access to iron, and they expected to be able to charge us tariffs and hold our supply hostage? And we had four+ mercenary companies and didn't need a casus belli?
 
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McLuvin said:
Because we didn't go to war with the Trelli when they did exactly the same to us via the Not! Bosphorus
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We did not have a trade route there yet so there was a bit of grumbling but nothing serious the trelli have traded with the tin tribes unimpeded for generations and we do not live and die by trade the trelli do so I expect that if we do plop a trade post there the trelli will be given a choice of go to war with us or eat stab hits.
 
Reader of all said:
We did not have a trade route there yet so there was a bit of grumbling but nothing serious the trelli have traded with the tin tribes unimpeded for generations and we do not live and die by trade the trelli do so I expect that if we do plop a trade post there the trelli will be given a choice of go to war with us or eat stab hits.
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May I recommend the use of periods instead of composing run-on sentences? It will be easier to understand.
 
I don't really buy the fearmongering. AN said we'd probably win on the defensive. You can't really guarantee much better than that in a rolled system. He also said our biggest threat would be a blockade, which would also massively speed up our boat tech chance.
 
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