[X] [Exp] Found Trelli Trade Post, West
[X] [Diplo] Need a bigger boat (Main More Boats)
[X] [Int] Party! (Main Improve Festival)
 
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[X] [Exp] Integrate the Stallion Tribes
[X] [Diplo] Tie everything further together (Main New Trails)
[X] [Int] Party! (Main Improve Festival)
 
Does anyone know the exact benefits of northern wood over what we currently have? Especially as related to shipbuilding?
Thus not attacking the Trelli right now. We are unprepared for ship to ship combat. Go for the Northern Trading Post first as that would help build better boats.
Yeah, that's my current thought right now.
 
@Sivantic I'd actually recommend a Palace instead. Both the north and competitive boats are long term plans, which would ultimately benefit greatly from finishing our palace next turn.
 
Wahaha, We're really close to 5 stat Golden Age Ladies and Gentlemen!
Does anyone know the exact benefits of northern wood over what we currently have? Especially as related to shipbuilding?

Yeah, that's my current thought right now.
Allows for building of larger ships and helps in the discovery of pitch, also helpful in shipbuilding.
 
Now that is a nice turn. I'm actually feeling ok about our chances of not dieing in the near future for a change. First time in turns.

[] [Exp] Integrate the Stallion Tribes
[] [Diplo] Tie everything further together (Main New Trails)
[] [Int] Party! (Main Improve Festival)

I think this would be the best narrative actions we can take.
I'm with you on the last two, but I'm really not ok with blowing out our martial cap that hard.

Also umm... we need more Expansion Slots. We're about to go through them fast.
Mmm, with ongoing city costs, it is only a 3 point movement a turn. I'm reasonably confident we can find ways to spend at least that much every turn.

Things like that only happen if our stab is negative, which it's currently not.
I find that highly doubtful.

Assuredly, having red martial and negative stability makes things dramatically worse, but I'm quite certain that red martial on its own will cause problems.

I thought for sure that having red martial just meant having more soldiers than the state can properly control, and that they usually did something regardless of Stab.
That matches my understanding, yes.

Not exclusive. Trade post west + boats, but I need to work out the costs and make sure we got the palace covered still.
As much as I'd like to get on top of the ongoing situation, I think we'd be better served by finishing our current round of major problems.

To that end, I'm thinking:

[X] [Exp] Found Trelli Trade Post, East
[X] [Diplo] Tie everything further together (Main New Trails)
[X] [Int] Party! (Main Improve Festival)

The east trading post is easier to support, and as such has smaller risks of Failure to Properly Support our Subordinates Sudden Death Cascade Syndrome (or FPSSSDCS) developing, while still pushing some progress on the Trelli front. Trails and parties to further cement Ymaryn oneness, while opening up the possibility of actually reaching a golden age in the near future.

A golden age culminating in a boosted Iron Age Law megaproject is my new dream goal, now that it seems slightly possible.
 
We will explicitly be sending the red banner to protect the trade post anyway. At that distance to the Trelli, they could potentially just take the land route for retaliation...
... Keep in mind the Trelli have been forming mercenary companies. Multiple companies.

We won't have the numbers edge; we need to be able to maintain support and reinforcements, which means we need to be able to at least match the Trelli on the water to win this fight.

So. Let's go get pines for bigger, better boats.

[X] [Exp] Found Far Northern Trade Post
[X] [Diplo] Need a bigger boat (Main More Boats)
[X] [Int] Party! (Main Improve Festival)
 
@Sivantic I'd actually recommend a Palace instead. Both the north and competitive boats are long term plans, which would ultimately benefit greatly from finishing our palace next turn.
Why? Were you people not planning to go all out on the Palace next turn? That would put us at 9/8-10. It does not need an action right now.
The east trading post is easier to support, and as such has smaller risks of Failure to Properly Support our Subordinates Sudden Death Cascade Syndrome (or FPSSSDCS) developing, while still pushing some progress on the Trelli front.
What we need on the Trelli front is better boats.
 
Losing the naval battles with such large distances involved will hurt though. It means supply will be risky, and our logistics has time and again been a major boon for our armies. While I'm pretty sure we will beat them on land battles, there isn't much we can do other than defend ourselves on land battles.

To win this, we need to win some naval battles, and as we are now I'm not sure we can do it. Maybe I'm being pessimistic, but the prospects of a war with the Trelli don't seem like a good idea right now.
You might be being pessimistic? But pessimism is a good tool to have for this kind of situation. Counterweights any reaching for the stars some people(me for example) may have.

Longships are awesome for ship to shore, poor for ship to ship.
Which is basically what I was getting at. Good raiders, thus win the land battles, bad sea fighters thus probably lose the naval battles.
 
[X] [Exp] Found Far Northern Trade Post
[X] [Diplo] Need a bigger boat (Main More Boats)
[X] [Int] Party! (Main Improve Festival)
 
Does anyone know the exact benefits of northern wood over what we currently have? Especially as related to shipbuilding?

Yeah, that's my current thought right now.
Extremely long single planks of wood. This makes shipbuilding easy.

Pitch and resin for sealing and caulking. Makes boats smoother externally and less likely to spring leaks.
 
[X] [Exp] Found Far Northern Trade Post
[X] [Diplo] Need a bigger boat (Main More Boats)
[X] [Int] Party! (Main Improve Festival)
 
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[X] [Exp] Found Mercenary Company
[X] [Diplo] Need a bigger boat (Main More Boats)
[X] [Int] Party! (Main Improve Festival)
 
Why? Were you people not planning to go all out on the Palace next turn? That would put us at 9/8-10. It does not need an action right now.
ehhhhh would it?
It would put us in the midrange for completion, yeah. Then again, doing an ation now gives us two free secondaries tomorrow.
 
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As much as I want the good times roll for another turn. Not possible with the Trelli endorsing full on piracy so we need to protect our trading post and ships.

[X] [Exp] Found Trelli Trade Post, West
[X] [Diplo] Need a bigger boat (Main More Boats)
[X] [Int] Build palace (Extra megaproject action)
 
You might be being pessimistic? But pessimism is a good tool to have for this kind of situation. Counterweights any reaching for the stars some people(me for example) may have.
We plan on building both anyway, so why not grab the Northern Trading Post in preparation of grabbing the Southern One? You don't get as many benefits visa versa.
 
[X] [Exp] Found Trelli Trade Post, West
[X] [Diplo] Need a bigger boat (Main More Boats)
[X] [Int] Build palace (Extra megaproject action)
 
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Why? Were you people not planning to go all out on the Palace next turn? That would put us at 9/8-10. It does not need an action right now.

What we need on the Trelli front is better boats.
Actually, since we set aside space for them, going over the required action in megaproject support might just have them build the Great Hall expansion or Gardens right away, if we have the stats for it.
 
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