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Umi-san said:
And greece, and Carthage. All of them traded oil. (Carthage supposedly had higher quality oil, tho. It switched to making it when Rome moved in on the grain market, IIRC.)


Did y'all grow the three sisters in a school garden like we did? We did those and then planted onions and marigolds around them for pest control.
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The indians plant manihot around, not even the wild pigs try getting close in fear of dying.
 
Potato and Chip said:
Well the benefits of cheese were already said so I won't repeat it.

When I say that leather is used as a way to attach metal though, I mean people make jackets of leather to which the metal parts are attached to.

The leather serves as under armor. You can't use hemp/rope because it's too easy to cut through and doesn't function as well as properly created leather does.
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Also, leather/fur is probably the earliest armor we'd have. Very effective against our weapon preferences of bows and spears but not much good against the Ceramic Demon Club(granted, nothing was much good against a big stick loaded with rocks and spikes).
 
veekie said:
Also, leather/fur is probably the earliest armor we'd have. Very effective against our weapon preferences of bows and spears but not much good against the Ceramic Demon Club(granted, nothing was much good against a big stick loaded with rocks and spikes).
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I'd argue that ceramic plates tied together with hemp are equally good. We'd be the clay warriors; the pot people; the ultimate forest elf-dwarves.
 
veekie said:
Also, leather/fur is probably the earliest armor we'd have. Very effective against our weapon preferences of bows and spears but not much good against the Ceramic Demon Club(granted, nothing was much good against a big stick loaded with rocks and spikes).
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You guys are going to end up creating this:

You know that right?
 
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Malevolo said:
Only on the south of Brazil and Argentina.
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All my knowledge of south america comes from a) my best friend's Peruvian mother and b) an Argentinian babysitter who fled the country because she was related to one of the dictators that fell from power. 90% certain she had a biased view tho. She was white-as-milk, even if her husband wasn't, and as far as I know Arg has a strongish racial class thing?
 
In an ideal world we'd be able to proposition the spirits for odd bags of seeds to wash upon our shores, but alas they are unconfirmed.
 
Umi-san said:
All my knowledge of south america comes from a) my best friend's Peruvian mother and b) an Argentinian babysitter who fled the country because she was related to one of the dictators that fell from power. 90% certain she had a biased view tho. She was white-as-milk, even if her husband wasn't, and as far as I know Arg has a strongish racial class thing?
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From the talks i had with ermanos only the portenhos (people from Buenos Aires and surrounding area) are like that, from what i know the rest of the country is a lot milder with the racial class thing.
 
NotAlwaysFanfic said:
Can we just take a moment to appreciate how the majority vote did a 180 over time? The original bandwagon was Martial, Festival, Wagons, Wilds. And then eventually it changed to Social, New Site, Walls, Spirit Talker. The power of frantic debates!
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Well, if AN did write Econ 1 from the start, Walls would be all but unanimously voted in.
But other ones are pretty amusing, yes.
 
veekie said:
You're talking about wearing mud-brick armor panels.

It'd be like threading holes into roof tiling for mail...
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I mean, clay brick armor panels but basically yeah. That's why we'd be the pot people, the clay warriors. Cus we just have them thiqq plates on our chest and back, y'know?? To go along w/ our swole muscles or something. Add in some hemp rope ( ;) ) and we're set bruh.
 
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This table of when and where plants got domesticated is pretty interesting.

plant domestication said:
Plant -- Where Domesticated -- Date
Fig trees -- Near East -- 9000 BC
Emmer wheat -- Near East -- 9000 BC
Foxtail Millet -- East Asia -- 9000 BC
Flax -- Near East -- 9000 BC
Peas -- Near East -- 9000 BC
Einkorn wheat -- Near East -- 8500 BC
Barley -- Near East -- 8500 BC
Chickpea -- Anatolia -- 8500 BC
Bottle gourd -- Asia -- 8000 BC
Bottle gourd -- Central America -- 8000 BC
Rice -- Asia -- 8000 BC
Potatoes -- Andes Mountains -- 8000 BC
Beans -- South America -- 8000 BC
Squash (Cucurbita pepo) -- Central America -- 8000 BC
Maize -- Central America -- 7000 BC
Water Chestnut -- Asia -- 7000 BC
Perilla -- Asia -- 7000 BC
Burdock -- Asia -- 7000 BC
Rye -- Southwest Asia -- 6600 BC
Broomcorn millet -- East Asia -- 6000 BC
Bread wheat -- Near East -- 6000 BC
Manioc/Cassava -- South America -- 6000 BC
Chenopodium -- South America -- 5500 BC
Date Palm -- Southwest Asia -- 5000 BC
Avocado -- Central America -- 5000 BC
Grapevine -- Southwest Asia -- 5000 BC
Cotton -- Southwest Asia -- 5000 BC
Bananas -- Island Southeast Asia -- 5000 BC
Beans -- Central America -- 5000 BC
Opium Poppy -- Europe -- 5000 BC
Chili peppers -- South America -- 4000 BC
Amaranth -- Central America -- 4000 BC
Watermelon -- Near East -- 4000 BC
Olives -- Near East -- 4000 BC
Cotton -- Peru -- 4000 BC
Apples -- Central Asia -- 3500 BC
Pomegranate -- Iran -- 3500 BC
Garlic -- Central Asia -- 3500 BC
Hemp -- East Asia -- 3500 BC
Cotton -- Mesoamerica -- 3000 BC
Soybean -- East Asia -- 3000 BC
Azuki Bean -- East Asia -- 3000 BC
Coca -- South America -- 3000 BC
Sago Palm -- Southeast Asia -- 3000 BC
Squash (Cucurbita pepo o.) -- North America -- 3000 BC
Sunflower -- Central America -- 2600 BC
Rice -- India -- 2500 BC
Sweet Potato -- Peru -- 2500 BC
Pearl millet -- Africa -- 2500 BC
Sesame -- Indian subcontinent -- 2500 BC
Marsh elder (Iva annua) -- North America -- 2400 BC
Sorghum -- Africa -- 2000 BC
Sunflower -- North America -- 2000 BC
Bottle gourd -- Africa -- 2000 BC
Saffron -- Mediterranean -- 1900 BC
Chenopodium -- China -- 1900 BC
Chenopodium -- North America -- 1800 BC
Chocolate -- Mesoamerica -- 1600 BC
Coconut -- Southeast Asia -- 1500 BC
Rice -- Africa -- 1500 BC
Tobacco -- South America -- 1000 BC
Eggplant -- Asia -- 1st century BC
Maguey -- Mesoamerica -- 600 AD
Edamame -- China -- 13th century AD
Vanilla -- Central America -- 14th century AD
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Everyone beelines for the best source of carbs in the area first huh?

But then domesticating crops where the seed is the food are the most accessible of them all. Just keep selecting bigger seeds
 
Honestly, militarily my biggest goal is to develop better fighting techniques in the hand-to-hand sense. I want it so that a farmer's 7 y.o. daughter can take down the average adult of an opposing nation.

But leather is good too.

veekie said:
Everyone beelines for the best source of carbs in the area first huh?

But then domesticating crops where the seed is the food are the most accessible of them all. Just keep selecting bigger seeds
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True, but look at the opium poppies. How did that go down?
 
Umi-san said:
Honestly, militarily my biggest goal is to develop better fighting techniques in the hand-to-hand sense. I want it so that a farmer's 7 y.o. daughter can take down the average adult of an opposing nation.

But leather is good too.


True, but look at the opium poppies. How did that go down?
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Imagine for a moment what having a painkiller at all felt like.

The martial ambitions are pretty silly though. Civilians working on learning how to fight are also civilians not doing their jobs at all. Universal self defense is an expensive luxury that requires that everyone have access to a high protein diet and regular free time invested into training muscle and technique rather than working on their trade or innovating
 
Umi-san said:
Honestly, militarily my biggest goal is to develop better fighting techniques in the hand-to-hand sense. I want it so that a farmer's 7 y.o. daughter can take down the average adult of an opposing nation.
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But why? Specialization is a thing for a reason. I'd rather 7 y.o. daughter already knew how to work in the field and maybe started learning to read when we invent writing and get enough stuff to support widespread education.
Or, more realistically than mass education, knows folklore and fairy tales and other stuff which codifies what to do and not do.
 
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