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- Hell
To give the Southern Provinces more power? Not buying it.
What do you think the Agenda for different candidates mean? It would be pointless if they would not act upon them.
Paths of Civilization
- Thread starter Academia Nut
- Start date
- Original
- Location
- Austria
Agenda is a thing, but he most likely won't assume direct control, so stop demonizing him.
And in what world 'break power of oligarchy that ignores entire provinces via legitimate means' is a bad thing? IMO that's a rare opportunity to involve northeners in our political process which we should grab.
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- Canada
There were many reasons why the leading vote was the least worst and the child ruler would destroy us. The first few pages state them quite clearly.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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- Lickwidget
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- She/Her
Which suuuuucks. But hey it gives us time to finish the mega, since the update hinted at it being almost done and also start working on the North issue.
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- Meycauayan, Bulacan, Philippines
Oh my God.
This update about the leader is the exact description of the 2016 Philippine Presidential elections. And our least bad candidate was Duterte.
...looks like we are electing the Ymaryn Duterte.
The Northern provinces also include stonepen and blackriver. An argument could be made that the nearly completed Redhill province also feels closer to the North than the south.
Furthermore: marches and colonies both try to fulfill their primary purpose first and foremost, even if it benefits the core more than themselves. Marches will build their military to defend the core, while colonies will expand and exploit resources. Neither of them are likely to be able to do megaprojects, and even extended projects may be outside of their permitted activities.
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Motoko
Herald of Iron to The People
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- Canada, ontario
It'd be great if you gave your thought on the situation. However it won't help the fact that at least 15 others who left a vote and no comment has severely influenced the thread.
Also! Someone give me an explanation on how Child + King = hereditary kings from now on. Where is the logic? One time isn't likely to drastically affect our Heir system that much people...
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Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
- Location
- United States
- Location
- Staring into the void
Interestingly, Dythuwyn is more likely to cause the North to split off due to a major consolidation of power to Valleyhome.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
Actually it described my preference perfectly.
30% for more artisan power.
30% for land distribution.
30% for economy expansion.
10% for northern candidate.
No matter which heir is chosen, i win.
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- Volksstaat Hessen, Deutsches Reich
Well, the suckage could be avoided by just not voting for Chariot Boy! Vote the artisan guilds' candidate!
maximillian
Civilised Sheep
- Location
- Ranch
Folks vote for many a reason, ideologies, conviction, uncertainty, deduction, assumption, amusement, bandwagon, ....etc.
One thing they all share in common, is that they don't have to bloody justify themselves. It wouldn't a vote then, but an approval test.
Discussion before or after votes is a great thing however. And nothing is stopping it.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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- Lickwidget
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Well at least you are trying to be entertaining in your arguments Ghostdevil. Mad props. *heartfealt applause*
Carrnage
Human
- Location
- New Zealand
The biggest concern is the sheer timing, and weird corcumstances, why was the heir doing scouting.
- Location
- United States
I can't do anything about everyone else, but here is a repost on my thoughts when the update first came out, since I believe they still accurately depict my feelings on the matter.
- Location
- Illinois
He's not going to just YOLO into the steppes either. The probelm with the nomads is not that we can't conquer a bunch of land, it's that we can't hold it. Even if the northern territories went all out, full kingdom support, they really can't claim that much steppes land for two reasons.
1. Everything needs to have bullshit concentrated defences. We're talking walls, forests, watchtowers, the whole shabang. Taking a huge chunk of land isn't exactly a smart idea with that in mind.
2. The land is too dry to support too many people. There is a reason, after all, that the nomads are nomads. Even with our DS trait making us bullshit, we can't get enough land to matter.
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- The People's Saltern
These candidates are all terribly flawed and I hate them all.
Cons: Supports the south by ruining the North. Potential for civil war.
Hahaha. Yeah, no. When a pro for a King is that he dies quickly, there's definitely a problem. This might even lead to a civil war with how badly the North may feel after this.
Cons: Explicitly allows bribery. Terrible stats.
This completely poisons Distribute Land as an action and opens up our Kings to bribery.
Cons: War should not be the best way to ascend to the throne. How are we supposed to administrate all the territory we conquer? Outsider has too much of an easy path to Kingship with this precedent. Values don't match ours.
We're basically letting someone without our values take over our system. It's a terrible precedent.
Neutral: Has potential but may be useless because of the council. Easily manipulated by the council.
Cons: What's meritocracy? Go hereditary! Precedent for female puppet leaders. Main Expand Econ is overkill if we're taking in 6-8 Econ's worth of people.
She has potential for the future, but the council may stifle that. We actually don't want [Main] Expand Econ if we take in as many people if we want. Dythuwyn is also on the council, but he may be moderated by the other members.
You've done a great job making every candidate terrible. I'd take a normal average king over any of these. I might even settle for below average.
One important question though. @Academia Nut Does absorbing people through Cosmopolitan Acceptance consume Econ Expansion slots?
Pros: Excellent admin, dies quickly.
Cons: Supports the south by ruining the North. Potential for civil war.
Hahaha. Yeah, no. When a pro for a King is that he dies quickly, there's definitely a problem. This might even lead to a civil war with how badly the North may feel after this.
Pros: Lowers centralization. Might die early.
Cons: Explicitly allows bribery. Terrible stats.
This completely poisons Distribute Land as an action and opens up our Kings to bribery.
Pros: Brings the North closer and focuses on them. More territory.
Cons: War should not be the best way to ascend to the throne. How are we supposed to administrate all the territory we conquer? Outsider has too much of an easy path to Kingship with this precedent. Values don't match ours.
We're basically letting someone without our values take over our system. It's a terrible precedent.
Pros: Stability agenda helps if we choose Hatvalley Colony.
Neutral: Has potential but may be useless because of the council. Easily manipulated by the council.
Cons: What's meritocracy? Go hereditary! Precedent for female puppet leaders. Main Expand Econ is overkill if we're taking in 6-8 Econ's worth of people.
She has potential for the future, but the council may stifle that. We actually don't want [Main] Expand Econ if we take in as many people if we want. Dythuwyn is also on the council, but he may be moderated by the other members.
You've done a great job making every candidate terrible. I'd take a normal average king over any of these. I might even settle for below average.
One important question though. @Academia Nut Does absorbing people through Cosmopolitan Acceptance consume Econ Expansion slots?
Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
- Location
- United States
Hey That WAS NOT a joke
Ree eh, Anyways I feel like we could Unpuppetfy Lil Rulwyna, I MEAN HER NAME TO ME Sounds like
Rule Winner
So we Have to get her to win at ruling!
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
- Location
- Lickwidget
- Pronouns
- She/Her
Well I see his desire to focus on Valleyhome first as a major kick in the pants to widening the split.
I mean if he is focused on his City and Associations, then he is not focused on bridging the gap by simple logic and there is no indication he would try otherwise from what I read.
The way I see it all the kings are shit but the nomand is the one who has to share power, tempering the bad parts of his agenda.
- Location
- Voidbetweenstars
I don't know who do you think was conveniently in charge of military planning at the time
- Location
- Austria
Seriously, there are problems with Phyghiz-khan, but him giving north reminder that they can work within the system is a great opportunity, not a problem. It's a way to reinforce a belief in nonviolent means of acquiring power, which is going to help in managing any province that feels neglected.