I wonder if this means the Ymaryn become the weirdos willing to fight for you as long as you have silver. Because nobody else knows what the heck currency is, or realizes you can trade silver to the Ymaryn government for goodies. To the rest of the world, silver is just that stuff you put on temples.
You know, I'm not sure we are? We've seen no aggression from the Metal Workers or the Trelli. Whereas, the People try to be good neighbours, but if you provoke them hard enough, they'll come after you.
Metal Workers are slavers. Now, maybe they only get slaves by raiding internally - but I wouldn't bet on it.
Slavery isn't "aggression" in the sense of war, at least originally and to my memory even now the MW "just" trade for slaves, which is very peaceful as far as the other civs are concerned, just, you know, still slavery
Well, weren't the Trelli a former Hath TPost? Based on the knowledge given, I think that to make a periphery state, you'd need a certain level of centralized government or barring that, a Value that allows you to make PStates first. I mean, you're basically making a large coordinated effort to create an independent state that is still loyal to your own polity so that would mean you need to have some means of proverbial grip/leash on the state lest they turn rogue.
Fair point.
That's not really all that different from us putting armies in Hatriver. In fact, given that we first took Hatriver from another nation, we're still more aggressive.
Yeah, they don't really seem powerful enough to be defeating other nations and enslaving their populace.Slavery isn't "aggression" in the sense of war, at least originally and to my memory even now the MW "just" trade for slaves, which is very peaceful as far as the other civs are concerned, just, you know, still slavery
No were not, the THREAD is, but our civ did it because everything turned to shit and we were big damn heroes and took over because of the chaos. It wasn't conquest, they willingly joined us. (We as a thread did it because ECON and Fuck the Hath)
I think the biggest thing that would stop our neighbors from getting periphery states is that instead of expanding natively past their administrative reach, they just vassalize or extort or whatever the term would be for the DP setting up the minors near them to be "farmed" for sacrifices. Like...their farthest borders wouldn't be a regular province like Stonepen or southshore, it would be a set of minor lowland vassals, instead. The Hathatyn likely unlocked periphery states because the not!bosphorus is so damn valuable they'd want to actually conquer and hold it as personally as possible, not just intimidate whatever minor civ used to be there into being a vassal.
Fair point. But from the usual suspects of Civs, we're not so much as aggressive but very protective to those considered "Ymaryn".
Oh, I'm OK with our level of aggression. We fight to protect our own, and our biggest weapon is that we attract others to our awesomeness. I just don't think we're the least aggressive civ on the map. We walk softly and carry a big iron staff.
Well first off, Gun boat diplomacy is the best kind of diplomacy when we have the level of power disparity we have here
Or we're like the Spirit Talkers, small group of elites. That's the point, they can just guess. Also remember that the cap is based on pop. They could just as easily think that our cap is Martial 6 and thus why we sent some out to avoid problems.
I THINK your in the wrong thread, were like 2000 years away from any kind of space bs, and definitely not in a universe with the Romulans and Klingons
Umm....you got the wrong thread.
Rage Against the Steppes ensures that.
Hmm. Sounds like they need to become our vassals, to a) keep them alive, and b) re-educate them.
Meh, I figure that's the kind of advance we can achieve by putting the system under stress. We'll probably have a competent admin king soon (unless she gets ASSASSINATED BY GEORGE TAKEI), so when we push the limits of what we can manage, she can get creative.
