Paths of Civilization

PrimalShadow · Jun 13, 2017

[X] [Child] Priests in Sacred Forest
I would much rather the king devote his attention to running the kingdom. "Do the crime - do the time" is all well and good, but the ones doing the time here would be The People (due to distracted leadership), and I'm not okay with that.

Also, if this kicks off a tradition of royal fostering I would be totally okay with that.

BungieONI · Jun 13, 2017

Academia Nut said:
Science
[color= gold]Early alchemy[/color]
Ancestral Heroes
Polytheism
Astrology
Tested Observation

Ooo la la, ain't you a beauty.

Adhoc vote count started by BungieONI on Jun 13, 2017 at 10:03 PM, finished with 53851 posts and 8 votes.

7 people have voted
[x] [Child] Actually be a proper father
- UbeOne
- Theunderbolt
- Ghostdevil
- Thanatanos
- Citino
- andrewopk
- BungieONI
1 people have voted
[X] Free switch to Policy: Offense
- BungieONI
1 people have voted
[X] [Child] Priests in Sacred Forest
- PrimalShadow

PrimalShadow · Jun 13, 2017

If we have 15 Econ Expansion, does that mean our True City went kaput?

Godwinson · Jun 13, 2017

[X] [Main] Found March - Eastern Wall
[X] [Secondary] Study Alchemy
[X] [Secondary] War Mission - Hathatyn
[X] [Child] Actually be a proper father
[X] Free switch to Policy: Offense

I want to get at least one Study Alchemy in while we have the mysticism hero, because it not only is more likely to give good results, but a discovery would also help to excuse the king thinking with his dick.

Citino · Jun 13, 2017

@Academia Nut could we get a brief overview of the type of people that would be raising the girl for each option? Like, what does the King's son do, what would his attitude towards the girl likely be, etc...

Umi-san · Jun 13, 2017

Academia Nut said:
Civilization Stats

General
Diplomacy 12 [+4]
Economy 5 [-1+4]
Econ Expansion 15 [+1-4]
Martial 9 {11}

Stability
Stability 0 (neutral)
Legitimacy 3 (max)

Organizational
Centralization 4
Hierarchy 6
Religious Authority 1

Cultural
Art 4
Mysticism 9 (+1) [+1]
Prestige 20

Statuses
Baby Boom: +4 Econ, -4 Econ Expansion per turn while active

[X] [Child] Actually be a proper father
[X] [Main] Found March - Eastern Wall
[X] [Secondary] Study Alchemy
[X] [Secondary] War Mission - Hathatyn

The hero is still alive; use her.
Found the March now so that it can build up strength.
War Mission as required.
Have him be a decent father cus that's just the right choice.

BungieONI · Jun 13, 2017

PrimalShadow said:
If we have 15 Econ Expansion, does that mean our True City went kaput?

Nope. We have a max of 15 slots now with what we did in sacred forest.

Academia Nut said:
Expand Economy - Encourage the growth of food producing activities such as farming, pastures, or fishing, depending on where focus is placed
*S: +2 Econ, -2 Econ Expansion, potential additional effects
* 15 Econ Expansion available (max 15 to keep Valleyhome True City status)

Timewinders · Jun 13, 2017

No half measures in war is my philosophy. Go in quick with massive force, kick their teeth in, and get a quick peace.

[X] [Main] War Mission - Hathatyn
[X] [Secondary] Build Chariots
[X] [Secondary] More Boats

Maybe balance Econ though?

RulerOfNothing · Jun 13, 2017

[X] [Child] Priests in Sacred Forest
[X] [Main] Study Alchemy
[X] [Secondary] Build Wall
[X] [Secondary] War Mission - Hathatyn

Ghostdevil · Jun 13, 2017

[X] [Child] Actually be a proper father
[X] [Main] War Mission - Hathatyn Reformers
[X] [Secondary] Study Alchemy
[X] [Secondary] Build Glassworks

BungieONI · Jun 13, 2017

I'll be nabbing some of that.

[X] [Main] Found March (Eastern Wall)
[X] [Secondary] Expand Snail Cultivation
[X] [Secondary] War Mission - Hathatyn
[X] [Child] Actually be a proper father
[X] Free switch to Policy: Offense

Might change later.

Abby Normal · Jun 13, 2017

Too busy to do my analysis right now, so for now have diffcheckers:
Diff Checker (Actions)
Diff Checker (Civ Sheet)

Main things:
We gained early alchemy and rodeo as tech/social concepts
Actually have details for Black soil, its great for recovering econ slots, but not so much for actual econ now.
Unlocked alchemy to replace tailings!
15 Slots is our new limit for valleyhome
New trading post areas (Trelli, and far north), both dangerous
We have two possible new province locations for settlement options!!!!
Can change polciy to offense or defense for free.
Study actions are improved, as are exploratory and trade actions to the north. @Academia Nut how likely is it that our mystic hero lasts another turn?

Mortis · Jun 13, 2017

[X] [Child] Priests in Sacred Forest
While in normal circumstances I'd say it is his responsibility to raise his child, he has a kingdom to run and the start of a war with the hathatyn to deal with.
Don't we need to improve our dye production immediately?

NotteBoy97 · Jun 13, 2017

Academia Nut said:
Special: Exploratory or trade missions (including Salt Gift) to the north may be of use if the skittish group is friendly
Special: Study actions are currently improved by access to a Mystic Hero
Special: May change policy to Defence or Offence for free this turn

Just want to make sure people realize that these are special actions particularity the salt gift action to try and get some friendly nomads.

Academia Nut · Jun 13, 2017

PrimalShadow said:
If we have 15 Econ Expansion, does that mean our True City went kaput?

Not yet.

Citino said:
@Academia Nut could we get a brief overview of the type of people that would be raising the girl for each option? Like, what does the King's son do, what would his attitude towards the girl likely be, etc...

The king's relatives would attempt to raise her well in the traditions of the Stallion Tribes, which if she's anything like her mother may lead to conflict, but it won't be any sort of intentional abuse. Probably. Pretty distant, the king hasn't entirely been keeping tabs as his son was elected to be a major power player in his own right up in the Stallions.

Lolwyna's family is... not really sure. Probably practical folk, teach her practical skills, and she would be closer to where he would have to spend much of his time, so there is that.

Shamans and priests are shamans and priests. Wise but a bit different and distant.

Umi-san · Jun 13, 2017

BungieONI said:
So folks should we do:

[Main] Found NE March
[Secondary] Expand Snail Cultivation
[Secondary] War Mission - Hathatyn

Expanding Snail Cultivation now is (sorry to be rude) incredibly foolish. The Mysticism Hero who invented Alchemy is still alive. We should continue using her.

Citino · Jun 13, 2017

NotteBoy97 said:
Just want to make sure people realize that these are special actions particularity the salt gift action to try and get some friendly nomads.

I think we should leave that to our northern territories. They've been willing to trade with the nomads before, so while they might not be able to throw around salt like no tomorrow, it should still be enough if they are friendly.

Malevolo · Jun 13, 2017

PEOPLE ATTENTION

Academia Nut said:
Lord's Loyalty
The ties between the People bind tight, and while this increases the obligations of the superior, it also makes the subordinate more likely to listen.
Pros: +1 Subordinate States, subordinate states less likely to break away
Cons: Minimum force commitment in defence of subordinates and allies increased one step, worse consequences for failure to assist

We need a minimum of a Main war action to the hathatyn, even if the QM said we only need a secondary.

And Academia Nut, would't the Lord Loyalty raise the original threshould of minimum [Sencodary] to minimum [Main] war action?

BungieONI · Jun 13, 2017

Umi-san said:
Expanding Snail Cultivation now is (sorry to be rude) incredibly foolish. The Mysticism Hero who invented Alchemy is still alive. We should continue using her.

I do not consider it foolish because we do have the Trelli problem of threatening a dominant. I want to head off any stability drops. But I could be convinced otherwise.

Carrnage · Jun 13, 2017

BungieONI said:
The Costs.

I used to know but now... I have no clue. The sheer damage we could do, to ourselves and everyone else, is hard to comprehend.

Likely we'd splinter and pick on of sucessors.

Academia Nut · Jun 13, 2017

Malevolo said:
PEOPLE ATTENTION

We need a minimum of a Main war action to the hathatyn, even if the QM said we only need a secondary.

And Academia Nut, would't the Lord Loyalty raise the original threshould of minimum [Sencodary] to minimum [Main] war action?

It's been raised from 'None' to 'Help or destabilized'

Painfulldarksoul · Jun 13, 2017

[X] [Main] Study Alchemy
[X] [Secondary] War Mission - Hathatyn
[X] [Secondary] War Mission - Hathatyn x2
[X] [Child] Actually be a proper father
[X] Free switch to Policy: Offense

Citino · Jun 13, 2017

Academia Nut said:
Lolwyna's family is... not really sure. Probably practical folk, teach her practical skills, and she would be closer to where he would have to spend much of his time, so there is that.

Hm... We might want to send her to her mothers family then. It would still let her father visit, but it would prevent her from being wrapped up in the political intrigue that would be common if she was living in Valleyhome. As long as the family is good to her, it would probably work much better.

Shard · Jun 13, 2017

[X] [Child] Actually be a proper father

Andres · Jun 13, 2017

[X] [Child] Actually be a proper father

I'm not sure we should found East Wall yet. We're going into a war mission and could use that Martial, plus it frees up a Main action.

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