True City mechanics:
Paths of Civilization
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Completely, or partially?
pblur
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Oh wait, you're having them do a main expand econ and doubling it? That's unlikely. By WoG, balanced policy prefers secondary actions and if there is an eligible secondary action, it gets doubled. Not the possible eligible main.
Umi-san
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no
Secondary Expand Econ x Law = Main
Secondary (?) New Settlement
Secondary ????
Secondary ????
Well, new settlement is about as likely to be a main actually.
pblur
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Ok, I give up. Can't parse your math, sorry.
Romv
A Memory of TREES
Completely, see the post above yours for the mechanics.
Edit: I've been corrected.
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TheDanishLord
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[X] [Value] Do not spread
Partially. 1 econ expansion refunded per econ expenditure of any size, refund increased by having more cities.
Abby Normal
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Hmm...i wonder if Magwnya and her son have been mythologized yet, and if so, how... someone remember to ask AN about that after this next update, since he's probably too busy to answer questions right now
That is:
1 True city, 1 main action spending 2 econ: -2 econ, +1 econ expansion.
2 true cties, 1 main action spending 2 econ: -2 econ, +2 econ expansion
3 true cities, 1 main action spending 2 econ: -2 econ, +2 econ expansion
We currently have 1 true city, and can get more by way of making more aqueducts, though managing many large city centers in this era is very difficult by word of AN.
The only real "exception" is that extended project actions are counted separately; that is, a Main Aqueduct building is actually 2 separate secondary actions as far as true city (and presumably the library benefit) is concerned
So:
1 True city, 1 main aqueduct action spending 4 econ: -4 econ, +2 econ expansion (1 per actual action).
2 True cities, 1 main aqueduct action spending 4 econ: -4 econ, +4 econ expansion (2 per actual action).
3 True cities, 1 main aqueduct action spending 4 econ: -4 econ, +4 econ expansion (2 per actual action).
Well, the advance is called "Close Formation" on the civ sheet, so it doesn't seem very advanced or specific, no
We didn't seem to get an advance from the one main expand warriors theyve done so far...i asked @Academia Nut if there had been one that we didn't hear about but didn't get a response, i think? but its probably like last turns Blackbirds that gave no advance: either "additional effects" is actually always "chance for additional effects", or its building up to a bigger advance or something...
Losing econ to war does, but otherwise no...unless you have at least one true city. With that we get +1 expand econ back for every true city we have for every instance of spending econ, capped at the actual expense
That is:
1 True city, 1 main action spending 2 econ: -2 econ, +1 econ expansion.
2 true cties, 1 main action spending 2 econ: -2 econ, +2 econ expansion
3 true cities, 1 main action spending 2 econ: -2 econ, +2 econ expansion
We currently have 1 true city, and can get more by way of making more aqueducts, though managing many large city centers in this era is very difficult by word of AN.
The only real "exception" is that extended project actions are counted separately; that is, a Main Aqueduct building is actually 2 separate secondary actions as far as true city (and presumably the library benefit) is concerned
So:
1 True city, 1 main aqueduct action spending 4 econ: -4 econ, +2 econ expansion (1 per actual action).
2 True cities, 1 main aqueduct action spending 4 econ: -4 econ, +4 econ expansion (2 per actual action).
3 True cities, 1 main aqueduct action spending 4 econ: -4 econ, +4 econ expansion (2 per actual action).
Thats the thing. We didn't even HAVE massed warfare, and proto-phalanx is not quite one either.
Check back on the temple votes. One of the god candidates had her as an aspect.Hmm...i wonder if Magwnya and her son have been mythologized yet, and if so, how... someone remember to ask AN about that after this next update, since he's probably too busy to answer questions right now
It's basically "hey, lots of dudes standing together fight better, who knew?!"Well, the advance is called "Close Formation" on the civ sheet, so it doesn't seem very advanced or specific, no
I think basically if losing econ comes from people DYING or physically leaving, then you can get slots back normally because that's abandoned farmlands. Otherwise you lost Econ because those guys are doing different jobs now, so you don't.
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Romv
A Memory of TREES
Whoops, misinterpreted the question. Sorry, @PrimalShadow.
Umi-san
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I didn't adjust for the fact that we're now both doing a Main Black Soil rather than PG, which had the effect of a net 2 split. My apologies.Ok, I give up. Can't parse your math, sorry.
Base: 4
Settlement: 4 econ expand actions = 8
Provinces: 2 econ expand actions = 4
Both will have a settlement: 1
Both will have a Black Soil: 1
Net difference is 4 econ.
Total is:
Settlement: 14 (+4 martial, unless it gets rounded up in which case +5)
Provinces: 10 (+3 martial, unless it gets rounded up in which case +4)
Provincial actions consumed:
Secondary Expand Economy -> Main via Law
Secondary (?) New Settlement
Remaining: 2 Secondaries
tldr: You're correct, and more correct than previously assumed. My apologies.
In this case they would learn froth the Hath if a fight breaks out and by constantly using their warriors. Thats where you learn how to fight. Or you die.
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High Clerk of the Ymaryn
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Yes, we had this happen last turn, and also back when the last big nomad waagh with the dual heroes critted past our army and March and did 2 econ damage to us.
Romv
A Memory of TREES
Is this a trick question? Fields don't have owners! They are simply worked by the People for the good of all.
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pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
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Ok, my math. We have 4 province actions and one main action that will differ.
Case 1
[Secondary] Change Policy Balanced
Province actions:
[Law] [Main] Expand econ
[Secondary] Build Settlement
2x [Secondary] other stuff
+4[+1] econ
Case 2
[Secondary] Change Policy Balanced
Province actions:
[Law] [Main] Expand econ
[Main] Expand econ
[Secondary] Build Settlement
+8[+1] econ
Case 3
[Secondary] New Settlement
Province actions:
2x [Main] Expand Econ
+8[+1] econ
So far as I can see (for a target of maximizing econ) these are equally efficient at best. At worst, the provinces might decide to do case 1 on balanced, which would be bad for that target.
So if (like me) you just want a pile of econ and econ slots out of these actions, Case 3 is best.
Edit: ANNNND ninjad
Case 1
[Secondary] Change Policy Balanced
Province actions:
[Law] [Main] Expand econ
[Secondary] Build Settlement
2x [Secondary] other stuff
+4[+1] econ
Case 2
[Secondary] Change Policy Balanced
Province actions:
[Law] [Main] Expand econ
[Main] Expand econ
[Secondary] Build Settlement
+8[+1] econ
Case 3
[Secondary] New Settlement
Province actions:
2x [Main] Expand Econ
+8[+1] econ
So far as I can see (for a target of maximizing econ) these are equally efficient at best. At worst, the provinces might decide to do case 1 on balanced, which would be bad for that target.
So if (like me) you just want a pile of econ and econ slots out of these actions, Case 3 is best.
Edit: ANNNND ninjad
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Don't know why you'd want that, but sure.
Umi-san
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do the econ slots from the new settlement become available for use by expand econ actions taken that same turn?
Our approach there is probably more blackbird heavy backed with infantry
By the way, we still have guaranteed extra effects from maining Blackbirds.
pblur
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Econ does three things for us I want:
- Famine resistance
- Extra martial for our possible 2-front war next turn
- Extra resillience to losing martial in that same war.
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
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That's... a good question. I'd expect so narratively? @Academia Nut ?
I wonder if it might be crossbows.
We've had the tech to build those for a while now, but we haven't had the specific pressures that make them desirable before.
And, far as I figure, the +4 from a law-backed Expand Econ on Balanced + the continuing Baby Boom is more than enough to cover that - what's the point of demanding the last two also getting spent for more econ?
*shug*