DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
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- within 2 hours of the White House
- Pronouns
- They/Them
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DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
- Location
- within 2 hours of the White House
- Pronouns
- They/Them
kinda worried about this phrasing. did we double up on bad options? did we double some goodness? is it just a reference to the Two nomad heroes? the suspense is killing me!
- Location
- Illinois
All of the above.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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Double feature
"double feature" in British English
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double featurenoun [ C ]
UK /ˌdʌb.əl ˈfiː.tʃər/ US /ˌdʌb.əl ˈfiː.tʃɚ/
the showing of two different films, one after the other, in a cinema
So replace cinema with day and film with update and he means two updates.
He's spoiling us! Eeeeeeee! *hands to cheeks* He's so nice.
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Pretty sure it's "hey, two updates in one day!"
- Location
- Australia
Two updates in one day, I think.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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It's still happening. Like really. Just less punchy and forceful.
Diplomacy 5 [+4]->9 [+4]
-Saltern +2
-Center of Trade +2
Economy 4 [-1+4]->4 [-1+4]
-Baby Boom +4
-Plague -2
-Blackbirds -1
-Library -1
Econ Expansion 6 [+1-4]->7 [+1-4]
-Baby Boom -4
-Plague +1
-Blackbirds +1
-Library +1
Overall mostly as expected, but we seem to be missing some refugees here?
Martial 6 {8}->6 (+1) {7}
-Blackbirds +2
-War Mission -2
Stallion Martial 8
Win some, lose some, stay balanced all the same.
Bloody nomads
Stability 1->-1 (anxious)
-Political Chaos -1
-Plague -1(?)
You know, funny how whenever we suffer political chaos we land a hero immediately.
Centralization 4->3
It's all good. We know the Centralization Yellow floor is 1 now, and the Yellow roof is probably still 5 from before.
Art 7->4
-Library -3
Nothing to see here.
Mysticism 8->5 (+1) [+1]
-Library -3
Noting that we basically got the Mysticism equivalent of the True City bonus, we can basically spawn Secondary Blackbirds for free now thanks to this.
AND since the Library removed the tax from Mysticism, it's going to grow on it's own now.
Prestige 18->19
-Fucked Nomads +1
Up it goes
No change in trade goods other than the Highlanders buying up Tin. Wonder who makes the stuff anyway.
And the Western Wall sent surveyors along with their warriors.
Lots of docks too, so we're making good progress on coastal trade power.
-Eastern Nomads -> Running away after getting wrecked. Hopefully they'll still be friends when they come back.
-Thunder Speakers - Wrecked, looted for bronze.
-Metal Workers - Wrecked, looted for bronze
Bloody father and son hero pairs.
It seems that our aid had done JUST barely enough to avoid a total disaster on the friendly sides, because they'd have folded like paper otherwise.
-Saltern +2
-Center of Trade +2
Economy 4 [-1+4]->4 [-1+4]
-Baby Boom +4
-Plague -2
-Blackbirds -1
-Library -1
Econ Expansion 6 [+1-4]->7 [+1-4]
-Baby Boom -4
-Plague +1
-Blackbirds +1
-Library +1
Overall mostly as expected, but we seem to be missing some refugees here?
Martial 6 {8}->6 (+1) {7}
-Blackbirds +2
-War Mission -2
Stallion Martial 8
Win some, lose some, stay balanced all the same.
Bloody nomads
Stability 1->-1 (anxious)
-Political Chaos -1
-Plague -1(?)
You know, funny how whenever we suffer political chaos we land a hero immediately.
Centralization 4->3
It's all good. We know the Centralization Yellow floor is 1 now, and the Yellow roof is probably still 5 from before.
Art 7->4
-Library -3
Nothing to see here.
Mysticism 8->5 (+1) [+1]
-Library -3
Noting that we basically got the Mysticism equivalent of the True City bonus, we can basically spawn Secondary Blackbirds for free now thanks to this.
AND since the Library removed the tax from Mysticism, it's going to grow on it's own now.
Prestige 18->19
-Fucked Nomads +1
Up it goes
Trade Status
| Resource | Status | Rivals |
| Luxuries | ||
| Fine Pottery | Minor | Xohyssiri |
| Fine Dye | Dominating |
|
| Fine Textiles | None | Xohyssiri, Swamp Folk |
| Glass | Marginal | Xohyssiri |
| Gold | Minor trading |
|
| Silver | Leading |
|
| Salt | Dominating | None |
| Wine | Leading |
|
| Strategic | ||
| Copper | Significant |
|
| Bronze | None | Non-traded |
| Tin | None | MW (in), TH (in), Hath (in), HK (in) |
| Iron | Non-traded dominant | None |
| Cultural | ||
| Pilgrimage | Significant | Thunder Speakers, Xoh |
No change in trade goods other than the Highlanders buying up Tin. Wonder who makes the stuff anyway.
Curious that the trade associations hadn't realized that they could abuse Splitting via Entertainers very easily yet.
This is basically the equivalent of True City for Mysticism. Since Mysticism costs tend to be cheap AND we have passive Mysticism income, maxing it would be easy.
That's 4 War Missions on the Nomads.
And the Western Wall sent surveyors along with their warriors.
Lots of docks too, so we're making good progress on coastal trade power.
Freaking dice gives us a bunch of fun. That looks like a True City spawned disease. Not sure which bug disease though. Theres too many.
-Northern Nomads -> Eastern Horde + Western Horde
-Eastern Nomads -> Running away after getting wrecked. Hopefully they'll still be friends when they come back.
-Thunder Speakers - Wrecked, looted for bronze.
-Metal Workers - Wrecked, looted for bronze
Bloody father and son hero pairs.
It seems that our aid had done JUST barely enough to avoid a total disaster on the friendly sides, because they'd have folded like paper otherwise.
Looks pretty clear that the additional effects are all Quality of it's own evolutions chances?
Hmm, maybe we'd get lucky on the Western side and break them entirely so that the Eastern side looks for better pickings?
And an age of heroes indeed. If the Nomads DO realize they can go through the Thunder Speakers the Xohysirri without their own Hero is going to be fucked SO HARD.
Abby Normal
High Clerk of the Ymaryn
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- He/Him
We got refugees from the nomads that were our friends, and it wasn't +4 boom, then -2 to plague, it was +2 from boom, with the other half directed to the colony, so its:
Baby boom +2
Refugees +2
Blackbirds -1
Library -1
True City -1
War mission Quality loss -1
There's AN quotes for the refugees and the war mission loss, but i'm busy and dont want to find them right now
Again, not how the plague works...
Baby boom -2
blackbirds +1
library +1
True city +1
Refugees...didn't take expansion? I think AN just messed up on that front, honestly?
Again, refugees; that's actually how we got the WoG about the refugees in the first place, someone asked where the second stab hit came from.
Err, no--we built a megaproject this turn, which has always given prestige
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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Did you bork the math here or are you thinking about the refugees, because as is we should be at 5 and not 7.
We also got refugees from the Eastern Nomads who are our friends, which I think is the stability hit.
- Location
- Australia
Refugees from the friendly nomads.
Actually it's from completing a megaproject.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
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- ꙮ
Trait evolution commentary.
E: Need to better explore how the semantics rather than functional aspects could change, though.
Clearly rooted in an environmentalist philosophy and regard for nature, balanced by an emphasis on land management and "stewardship."
Functional Points:
-Bonus to all actions relating to land management
-Bonus when fighting on own terrain
-E&S bonus when completing land management megaproject
-Kicker
-Strife as a result of non-net positive environmental disruption
-Strife as a result of loss of territory
Potential Changes:
-Bonus to land management increased to a bonus to all management or knowledge of the land, i.e. bonuses to survey and study actions related to the land (i.e. Tailings but not Metal).
-Bonus to fighting on own, neighboring, or similar terrain.
-E&S bonus increased from land management to all ecological/spiritual actions.
-Kicker applicability increased in scope
-Kicker decreased in cost (i.e. to a chance of loss)
-Strife mitigated/delayed
Justice with an emphasis on community benefits, protection from harm, and punishment.
Functional Points:
-Justice is a community objective
-Careful punishment
-The few can be harmed for the benefit of the many.
Potential Changes:
-Justice as both a community and individual objective
-Remediative/preventative punishment or community actions (i.e. increased emphasis on charity/kindness/etc. to forestall crime)
-Mitigation of harm to few
Lack of xenophobia; emphasis on offering friendship.
Functional Points:
-Enhanced absorption of new ideas
-+1 social value from current or "historical" neighbors
-Can take in Econ and advancements by absorbing especially large numbers of people
--First econ boost as a result of this only has a chance of causing a drop
-Makes people think we're weak
-Must take in some amount of people
Potential changes:
-People don't see us as weak.
-Starts being able to pull social values from actual historical neighbors (ties in with library, actually)
-Number req. to get advancements decreased
-Decreased stability drop
-Increased amount of people required
General Comments:
Emphasis on collective action and accord, bonuses as a result.
Functional Points:
-Bonus to collective action
-Bonus to spiritually and ecologically harmonious actions
-Bonus to concerted efforts (somehow different from collective action, maybe means over time rather than all at once??)
-Disharmony is to be corrected
-Require casus belli
Potential Changes:
-Decreased requirement of size of collective action
-Increased scope of collective action
-Harmonious martial actions get a bonus
-Added emphasis on creating harmony where it did not exist (i.e. evangelizing or stability restoration)
-Added emphasis on getting along/increased xenophilia
-Collective actions w/ negative aspects have negatives decreased
-Gets rid of casus belli req.
Functional Points:
-Warriors fight harder
-Losses in battle are less disruptive i.e. lowered stability loss?
-People look for "a good death" and try to achieve it
Potential Changes:
-A good life becomes equally important
-Shift toward non-martial death? I.e. martyrism?
Functional Points:
-Improved use of study and innovation actions
-Can question social foundations
Potential Changes:
-Atm not applicable.
Functional Points:
-Gain 1/3 of Econ as bonus Martial
-Damage to martial can impact econ
Potential Changes:
-Increased amount of Econ as bonus martial
-Decreased overflow of martial
-Minimum bonus in addition to proportional bonus
-Decreased impact of martial loss
-Increased respect toward labouring classes?
-Scope increased to include rest of society?
-Excellence in service is cool, especially if it's martial. If you can't achieve excellence it's less cool.
Functional Points:
-Elite units get more martial
-Martial loss increased
-Social stratification.
Potential Changes:
-Scope increased from martial to other things.
-Emphasis on balance rather than "a skill"
-Emphasis on balance rather than "perfection"
-Increase gain in regard to other areas, e.g. increase diplo from trade good actions, increased mysticism/results from study actions, etc.
-Decreased martial loss
-Decreased social stratification
You take care of me; I listen to you.
Functional Points:
-+1 Subordinate states
-Subordinate states less likely to break away
-Minimum force commitment increased
--Worse consequences for not fulfilling
Potential Changes:
-Increased subordinate states
-Decreased likelihood further decreased
-Institutes a required tithe/backflow from subordinates
-Emphasis on debt toward lowers decreases social stratification? Decreases corruption?
-Loyalty increased from solely vertical to both vertical and horizontal.
E: Need to better explore how the semantics rather than functional aspects could change, though.
General Comments:
Clearly rooted in an environmentalist philosophy and regard for nature, balanced by an emphasis on land management and "stewardship."
Functional Points:
-Bonus to all actions relating to land management
-Bonus when fighting on own terrain
-E&S bonus when completing land management megaproject
-Kicker
-Strife as a result of non-net positive environmental disruption
-Strife as a result of loss of territory
Potential Changes:
-Bonus to land management increased to a bonus to all management or knowledge of the land, i.e. bonuses to survey and study actions related to the land (i.e. Tailings but not Metal).
-Bonus to fighting on own, neighboring, or similar terrain.
-E&S bonus increased from land management to all ecological/spiritual actions.
-Kicker applicability increased in scope
-Kicker decreased in cost (i.e. to a chance of loss)
-Strife mitigated/delayed
General Comments:
Justice with an emphasis on community benefits, protection from harm, and punishment.
Functional Points:
-Justice is a community objective
-Careful punishment
-The few can be harmed for the benefit of the many.
Potential Changes:
-Justice as both a community and individual objective
-Remediative/preventative punishment or community actions (i.e. increased emphasis on charity/kindness/etc. to forestall crime)
-Mitigation of harm to few
General Comments:
Lack of xenophobia; emphasis on offering friendship.
Functional Points:
-Enhanced absorption of new ideas
-+1 social value from current or "historical" neighbors
-Can take in Econ and advancements by absorbing especially large numbers of people
--First econ boost as a result of this only has a chance of causing a drop
-Makes people think we're weak
-Must take in some amount of people
Potential changes:
-People don't see us as weak.
-Starts being able to pull social values from actual historical neighbors (ties in with library, actually)
-Number req. to get advancements decreased
-Decreased stability drop
-Increased amount of people required
General Comments:
Emphasis on collective action and accord, bonuses as a result.
Functional Points:
-Bonus to collective action
-Bonus to spiritually and ecologically harmonious actions
-Bonus to concerted efforts (somehow different from collective action, maybe means over time rather than all at once??)
-Disharmony is to be corrected
-Require casus belli
Potential Changes:
-Decreased requirement of size of collective action
-Increased scope of collective action
-Harmonious martial actions get a bonus
-Added emphasis on creating harmony where it did not exist (i.e. evangelizing or stability restoration)
-Added emphasis on getting along/increased xenophilia
-Collective actions w/ negative aspects have negatives decreased
-Gets rid of casus belli req.
General Comments: Death in service is good and honourable; dying in such a manner is not a thing to be feared, but a chance to be treasured.
Functional Points:
-Warriors fight harder
-Losses in battle are less disruptive i.e. lowered stability loss?
-People look for "a good death" and try to achieve it
Potential Changes:
-A good life becomes equally important
-Shift toward non-martial death? I.e. martyrism?
General Comments: Pay attention to stuff, study the result.
Functional Points:
-Improved use of study and innovation actions
-Can question social foundations
Potential Changes:
-Atm not applicable.
General comments: Numbers are rad; who has a lot of numbers? the proletariat.
Functional Points:
-Gain 1/3 of Econ as bonus Martial
-Damage to martial can impact econ
Potential Changes:
-Increased amount of Econ as bonus martial
-Decreased overflow of martial
-Minimum bonus in addition to proportional bonus
-Decreased impact of martial loss
-Increased respect toward labouring classes?
-Scope increased to include rest of society?
General Comments:
-Excellence in service is cool, especially if it's martial. If you can't achieve excellence it's less cool.
Functional Points:
-Elite units get more martial
-Martial loss increased
-Social stratification.
Potential Changes:
-Scope increased from martial to other things.
-Emphasis on balance rather than "a skill"
-Emphasis on balance rather than "perfection"
-Increase gain in regard to other areas, e.g. increase diplo from trade good actions, increased mysticism/results from study actions, etc.
-Decreased martial loss
-Decreased social stratification
General Comments:
You take care of me; I listen to you.
Functional Points:
-+1 Subordinate states
-Subordinate states less likely to break away
-Minimum force commitment increased
--Worse consequences for not fulfilling
Potential Changes:
-Increased subordinate states
-Decreased likelihood further decreased
-Institutes a required tithe/backflow from subordinates
-Emphasis on debt toward lowers decreases social stratification? Decreases corruption?
-Loyalty increased from solely vertical to both vertical and horizontal.
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- Australia
It means when the state and the provinces do the same action. For example, if we did Main Great Palace and one or more of the provinces also did Great Palace, we'd get a concerted effort bonus.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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But that's collective action.
Concerted effort sounds like something over time through a long and tough labor.
Umi-san
Procrastinating.
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- ꙮ
concerted
- 1a : mutually contrived or agreed on a concerted effort a concerted agreementb : performed in unison concerted artillery fire The slowdown was a concerted action by the workers.
- 2: arranged in parts for several voices or instruments The concerted pieces were interspersed with solos.
collective
- : denoting a number of persons or things considered as one group or whole flock is a collective word
- 2a : formed by collecting : aggregatedb of a fruit : multiple
- 3a : of, relating to, or being a group of individualsb : involving all members of a group as distinct from its individuals a collective action
- 4: marked by similarity among or with the members of a group the collective interests of the town
- 5: collectivized or characterized by collectivism collective farming collective communities
- 6: shared or assumed by all members of the group collective responsibility the collective opinion of the staff collective guilt
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- United States of America, Michigan
Maybe Concerted effort refers to different action that help each other like doing study forests and expand forests on the same turn will get a boost and our trait ups that boost a little bit?
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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This makes a lot of sense. So does doing the same actions over time, i.e Megaprojects on megasupport policy.
Also @Umi-san I think your point right here is a very interesting one.
This looks like a very likely thing to happen, because Lord's Loyalty may "ping" off Symphony and CA and go this way, or it may combine with Symphony and expand that way.
Also Umi in this vein, you may wish to examine how these traits can intermingle. The "ping" idea I bring up, where the evolution of a Trait is influenced by another Trait we have. I am not sure this is a real thing, but note the similarity between Symphony and CA.
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AN said that that's what concerted action was. Collective action is basically anything that relies on large numbers of people working together and we benefited from that collective action bonus before provinces were even a thing.
BungieONI
Seven gremlins in a trench coat
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Sauce for the wog list?
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- Australia
No. Sorry.
BungieONI
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