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judgement passed This was the most asininely opaque argument I've ever had to moderate; having to read through thirty pages of non-stop arguing about boats in forum-form is boring in a way that is hard to comprehend. First of all, I would like to give condolences to @Academia Nut, because this was horrible.

Now to get to the meat of this; I find @ctulhuslp guilty of breaching Rule 3, with his constant condescension and strawmanning towards those he disagrees with. Asking for sources is a good thing to do, and arguing should generally be followed with a source, but this does not justify insults and condescension towards your opponents; I will infract you for 25 points for a breach of Rule 3 and a two-day threadban to calm down.

Secondly, @Lailoken's post is unacceptable; while nothing happened this time, asking someone to "cry you a river" should not and does not fly. You will receive a warning for marginal behaviour for this post as well as a polite request to not do so again.

Thirdly, @NotteBoy97's post is rather tasteless, please keep discussions about minotaur-and-cow-fucking out of this thread. No warning for marginal behaviour will be given.

Finally, I will request that you make a single report the next time a similar issue appears instead of clogging the report queue with eight different reports of the same person. Please collate the suspected breaches of whatever rule you are reporting for and explain your reasoning in a single report.
 
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If you thought drudging through 30 pgs of ship argument in one go was bad, try doing it in real time having to WAIT for the arguments, making informed decisions have never been so... :o:o
 
Well, that was fun and all, but I think we should just let the boat topic rest at this point.
This was the most asininely opaque argument I've ever had to moderate; having to read through thirty pages of non-stop arguing about boats in forum-form is boring in a way that is hard to comprehend. First of all, I would like to give condolences to @Academia Nut, because this was horrible.
My condolences for having to read through all of that.

So, moving our topic away from boats, what will our heroic admin likely focus on? Is he going to rush the mega project, or will he work more on infrastructure? Or maybe something else?
 
Hmmm, the constant staff notes and arguing does show off ONE positive trait
How Well @Academia Nut is writing, I've never seen things so polarized except in political threads where people are invested beyond belief... sometimes beyond reason.
 
Well now that thread is unlocked, I can answer you @BungieONI, no it isn't Franken Fran, nothing so tastelessly plebian as that. *elitist noises* It is original art. So original the artist already took down their pixiv! (sorry ctulhuslp)

So, moving our topic away from boats, what will our heroic admin likely focus on? Is he going to rush the mega project, or will he work more on infrastructure? Or maybe something else?
Doubt it, nothing is burning in our territory, so I don't think he sees the need. Boat Focus Probably and since AN has already noted that our low Centralization has been causing problems and we're still in the direction of portability, New Trails is going to happen, especially as we're about to have new territory so have to connect to them as well.

Hopefully more Study Forest as he had a clear sign of its benefit.
 
This was the most asininely opague argument I've ever had to moderate; having to read through thirty pages of non-stop arguing about boats in forum-form is boring in a way that is hard to comprehend. First of all, I would like to give condolences to @Academia Nut, because this was horrible.
Oh, nobody but the actual arguers were reading the arguments, the rest of us pretty much just read until the argument gets circular, then sort of skim the rest. I'm frankly unconvinced that even the actual arguers read all the posts.

Also, the red should be "opaque".
 
Hmmm, the constant staff notes and arguing does show off ONE positive trait
How Well @Academia Nut is writing, I've never seen things so polarized except in political threads where people are invested beyond belief... sometimes beyond reason.

I have the feeling that this thread is already political, since for quite some time already I felt that several choices were made not because of trying to maximize results in quest, but because of the voter's personal politics.
 
Is this the first thread-lock we had in PoC? Because if our first thread-lock happened due to boats, i will be feeling absolutely confounded.
 
I have the feeling that this thread is already political, since for quite some time already I felt that several choices were made not because of trying to maximize results in quest, but because of the voter's personal politics.
Well that's true, but many choices like this boat one isn't about personal politics, but it became just as polarized as political topics
 
Hopefully more Study Forest as he had a clear sign of its benefit.
Well, he does have higher mysticism than the rest of our kings, so it's possible. But I think he'll focus on the roads or the docks first due to his admin focus, with maybe a trade mission in a turn or two depending on how it goes.
Is this the first thread-lock we had in PoC? Because if our first thread-lock happened due to boats, i will be feeling absolutely confounded.
Second. First was during the tax crisis, IIRC.
 
@veekie I dont have the posts because i was doing the reading on mobile and dont really want to dredge through the boat argument again to find them, but at one point you were talking like when we take in refugees the civ we take them from gains stability back? Where did AN say that? Cause the bits i remember from AN didn't say anything like that... (Also, you keep talking about how we made their econ woes worse, but most of the refugee waves we've had have been 2 econ deals from multiple civs, which AN outright said didn't cause actual econ loss, just 'narrative grumbling')
 
People should stop giving mods ulcer. Maybe if we debate in the future with cute animals.

Also how much of thread would remain if all the past circling arguments are removed?

Look at this baby cow!
 
That

That is exactly the sort of comment that sparks things off.
Agreed. While morality might play a role in certain decisions (spreading the cure to plagues, choosing not to make a new march after we started a political incident, etc..), most of our choices have a lot more nuance than that.

Throw in the fact that people have long term goals that they want to accomplish (Mine would be keeping the marches safe and supplied, expanding further into the hills, and working on our seagoing trade, in that order), so often they place different values on different options. Size is cool to me because it fulfills my first and third goal, so I find it more appealing, while someone who has a stronger interest in the lowlands or wants to conquer as much as Hathatyn as we can might find portability better.

AN did a really good job in creating various factions, as well as making a form of politics evident even in the thread.
@veekie I dont have the posts because i was doing the reading on mobile and dont really want to dredge through the boat argument again to find them, but at one point you were talking like when we take in refugees the civ we take them from gains stability back? Where did AN say that? Cause the bits i remember from AN didn't say anything like that... (Also, you keep talking about how we made their econ woes worse, but most of the refugee waves we've had have been 2 econ deals from multiple civs, which AN outright said didn't cause actual econ loss, just 'narrative grumbling')
He never said that, but it's what we assumed since losing the refugees would reduce the chaos. But it's quite possible that it only costs them econ, especially considering what AN said about the other groups needing alternate forms of stability increases.

I mean, look at GG. It's effect wasn't that if they lose stability, they could gain 2 back, it was that if they would lose stability, they could instead not lose it and gain one back. That implies that they wanted to avoid losing stability due to our econ vampire abilities.
 
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