Paths of Civilization
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Guile
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You can get a bird big enough to stoop and drag a man off in its talons, tho. Not sure if that's only a New Zealand thing or not.
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Mmmhm, you aren't completely wrong that there are birds that can take men of their feet and carry them a good way, but the atmosphere is all wrong to get a bird that big that can lift a man and be ridden by them for long periods. For a size example of what you might need, Pterodactyls were some of the largest flying animals and feathered birds only barely got as large as them back then.
It's feasible in principle but not without the atmosphere changing first back to like something in the Jurassic.
I'd go Palace then Games so Our Government gets an upgrade, probably to Centralization and Hierarchy Tolerances. But my next goal is Library, followed by Dam because I want the disaster buffer that the Dam provides.
*raises multiple arms in shrug* Circumstances might change though and make me put the Palace/Games in place of the Dam but I doubt it.
Tomorrow.
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Guile
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So give up on your dreams of riding birds and get attack birds. Murder-birds. Mirbs.
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Kiwi are the best breeding stock for Mirbs in my opinion. Kiwi plus Emu plus Anger equals Death Bird.
Hmmm... Well we don't have Kiwi so we need to find a population of Hawks and train them to go for the eyes and throat. Maybe the hurty bits too.
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Library-Palace-Games-PTTS-Dam is my preferred chain to go through Mega Projects. I wouldn't mind rushing though the first 3 and having the last two be done slowly over time.
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Please fix the parentheses to [ ] on your Study Forests and Tailings, mucks with the tallier.
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but if we have enough forests couldn't we change the atmosphere?
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Why do you put the Dam so low? It would have cancelled our Drought and it makes our chinampas more useful. Are you waiting until it downgrades into an Extended project and we can do it in the background?
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Over a couple hundred thousand to millions of years. And we'd also have to exponentially expand our forests to cover about 1000 times, or more, of the land area described by the Strategic map, including if the Not!Black Sea was drained and forests planted there. So maybe feasible but so far outside of our tech grasp, and super incredibly far outside of the tech grasp of a modern society that it ain't very important.
I want the Library to cement the really cool ideas our Shamans have been generating recently and because it is one of those really useful things, but I ain't advocating for Mega support policy. The Provinces should grab up Dominant in dye or wine here shortly without our intervention, so I see no real reason to double up when we can spend our focus on Megas. But your plan has no really bad faults in my opinion so I'd be fine if that is what ended up happening.
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Because we have somenthing called "megaproject windows", they take some time to be stabilished so we do the maximum megaprojects we can in that time.
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And they usually crop up around the times the Lowlands are distracted eating each other and no Nomads are attacking.
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I just see the others as being worth it more in a sense then the Dam. I would rate the Games lower if it wasn't for Quality of it's Own and our lack of entertainment pushing it's importance up higher in my eyes. Palace and Library may help us reduce the turns needed to complete the Dam if we get administrative breakthroughs. Besides I want the Dam done as perfectly as we possibly can so better administration and possibly mathematics from PTTS is the goal I'm aiming for. The Dam is the only project which may have a chance of failing in the future hence why I'm wary to begin.
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Oh so you want to do it right the first time? That's valid and I can't argue with that. I don't rate it as threatening but, different ordering of risks.
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Basically yeah and too many horror stories of Dams failing.
Dam wise we already have everything we could possibly prepare for it. Every other prep for Dam costs MORE than the Dam to build. Like, all we lack is Mortar and the only project likely to generate waterproof mortar is...Dam
The only reason the Library is higher is because of the loss of knowledge, and the only reason the Palace is in the running is our extended period of administrative difficulties.
Once we do the Library, and if the government system seems to be relatively stable for the period, I'd go straight for Dam.
The only reason the Library is higher is because of the loss of knowledge, and the only reason the Palace is in the running is our extended period of administrative difficulties.
Once we do the Library, and if the government system seems to be relatively stable for the period, I'd go straight for Dam.
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Well my reasoning for putting it down after the Library is that we can put it below/in/near Lower Valleyhome which won't washout anything except the Bonevalley and maybe the Highlanders if it does fail. Which sucks ass but mitigates the possible damage and thus the risk for me.
Sorta my thinking on it, but ETA raises a interesting point about PttS giving more math and bettering the Dam as a result.
Godwinson
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The Great Dam would also be really fricking helpful for dealing with the droughts that can cause stability issues. We should get to it as soon as the Library and Palace are done. If we run out of time to build mega-projects, then we should work on Salterns and Aqueducts wherever possible.
EDIT: I don't know if AN is using a historical timetable for large-scale climatic issues, but we want to be really sure we're prepared for the climate shift that caused the Late Bronze Age Collapse.
EDIT: I don't know if AN is using a historical timetable for large-scale climatic issues, but we want to be really sure we're prepared for the climate shift that caused the Late Bronze Age Collapse.
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How? I don't understand. Everyone always put "(Secondary)" right after the "[]" with an X inside.
Godwinson
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We probably have quite some time before that event anyway, even if it is baked into the quest, seeing as how it's only the very earliest part of the Bronze Age for everyone around us. Even so, having the Great Dam to add even more insulation against droughts will be incredibly useful.
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Oh Your vote is this:
[] [Crow] Teacher
[] [Fyth] Harvest
[] (Secondary) Study Forests
[] (Secondary) Study Tailings
When it should be
[] [Crow] Teacher
[] [Fyth] Harvest
[] [Secondary] Study Forests
[] [Secondary] Study Tailings
With X's in the first set of brackets:
Here is my vote as an example.
[X] [Crow] Spider-Eyed
[X] [Fyth] Fertility
[X][Main] Great Temple
[X][Secondary] Improve Annual Festival
[X][Secondary] Enforce Justice
When we put "Secondary" we do [Secondary] instead of (Secondary). Square bracket vs parentheses.
We have already gone through two periods of climate change. The one that started the quest in the OP, and the one that cracked the Original Lowlander Civ that spawned the Free Peoples and the Dead Priests.
I kinda doubt it is going to be a thing, since it doesn't sound like AN is basing this world that heavily on Earth IRL. But it is sensible to prepare for some other climactic disaster, because we have no way of really predicting them at our tech level. Also if we introduced iron, maybe by defending ourselves against the TH, and another drought happened and maybe a disease too we could probably precipitate a Collapse of our own making. We'd probably survive hurt and bleeding.
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