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This temple and it's focus god is meant to be very long lasting mate, I doubt we can just tear up the main gods sigil and statues and replace them when we want
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There are other actions that can be taken.
Hmmm... yes.
Yes. For Balanced Expand Econ remains the only one that can receive the bonus, but the provinces will attempt to become dominant in areas where you are already leading, if there is nothing else tugging at their attention.
He's never been prayed to all that much. He's considered powerful and important, but praying to him is considered something of a desperate gamble. Most worship is a form of after the fact praise/blame for events where things started out wrong but turned out for the best in the end.
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Thank you for the compliment!
As for what we do with all the crazy amount of diplo - we'd need to go into a (continual?) Golden Age. Mechanically, their purpose is to spend overflowing stats when you have them.
We know of another salt-producing civ? Where did we hear about that? Other civs have very small amounts of salt, yes, but no one is producing it in bulk that I am aware of.
Hmm, yes, you are undoubtedly right. I just have no idea what would give a 2 Econ discount to expanding a Saltern. Or maybe we could do a Sec Survey for one actions, which would reveal another Saltern location that would cost 4 secondary actions for 8 econ to build? Thus a total of 5 secondary actions and 8 econ?
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Umi-san
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You said, "but somewhat redundant with the smaller drip from Saltern, and the pressures it'll put on our people to develop more advanced forms of trade." The "but" here let alone the inclusion of redundant makes it sound like it's not an advantage at all. The only thing clearly labeled as an advantage is the diplo drip.
Eh, stability -1 might get fixed by our RoO main, and a festival or 3 will help.
What's your opinion on how The Games megaproject will change the Improve Festival action?
*shrug* I'm too lazy for the math.
Lovely.
It'll probably cause Improve Festival to give us extra military.
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
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Possibly a midturn
BungieONI
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This sounds about right.
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We definitely do not need any more Martial
That border event was traumatic enough thank you!
Umi-san
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The people from the northern bay. It's somewhat likely that they're trading with the MW, or at least sending out salt ripples that are reaching them.
I think that might work but our current new saltern action costs only 6 econ + 3 actions. So, when it comes to figuring out exactly what AN meant, it's pretty much just an issue of finding out what discounts the price while retaining the # of actions needed. *shrug* Idk.
That would be... bad. It might open up a Coliseum megaproject, too.
I was hoping it would just enhance its ability to raise our stab, tbh. Or offer a passive gain of it.
But on the other hand, we can always just bleed martial into our Marches if we want.
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The Greek Titans were hardly forgotten, and there were many of them. In Crow's case he is the only Titan, a sort of combined Prometheus / Cronus / Gaia. I doubt he is anywhere near as forgettable as you think.
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Not what I meant. By saying that I hoped Fythhagyna would change to a nature god was not saying I thought that they would one day rip up and replace Fythhagyna the farmer god with Fythhagyna the nature god, I was saying the legends / sigil meanings could change.
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That's assuming The Games will also give us a higher military cap or otherwise mitigate Too Much Military, but yeah, it's not an upgrade I think we currently want.
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Err...was that yes to all of my questions, or just the first? Because i really was expecting a "no" or "do one and find out" for whether extended projects get us teh divine steward bonus...
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Whilst that is a possibility, the fact is that the point of this temple having a 'main' God is to better preserve that gods nature and promote their prominence, it's unlikely she'll become god of nature if her original form is better preserved in this temple
Like Iron? Has it turned into an epic already?
Can't wait to see it written down.
I hope future archaeologists will be able to trace the origin of the discovery of Iron back to the Ymaryn, and they'll have an epic dating back to that era to read about.
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Umi-san
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It will probably evolve one of our Honor traits. Probably Quality into Arete, but it depends.
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Oh right. Depends on the project... no. Divine Stewards specifies megaprojects. You would get the Art and Mysticism from the Stone Age canal, but not the bonuses from Divine Stewards.
I think you're missing the true insanity that this might unleash. Permanent income. If this works as I hope, then that means that we will get something like a permanent +4 Econ/turn, without us having to spend a single action to do it (after the set up). That said, this depends on two questions.
@Academia Nut Will everything overflow into Econ before Martial? And will econ gained via overflow take up Econ Slots?
The latter is to preserve the True City, but honestly I don't think it's worth it so I'm willing to sacrifice the thing if it doesn't.
I'd honestly be surprised if it did. I actually suspect it might cost martial to run them, if anything. I suspect the martial upgrade we get may be a trait upgrade.
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Remember the nomad traders who brought trade good from the people by the northern bay were surprised at how little we valued salt. I assume that whoever those northern bay people are, they can produce salt in low quantities but I'm fairly sure EVERY civ can produce salt in low quantities. We certainly had salt before we got the saltern, after all, just not very much of it. But I very much doubt these northern bay people have a saltern.
Aqueducts cost different amounts depending on the terrain. I assume salterns do as well.
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Taken from the last main turn post. Please note the Infrastructure policy
pretty sure this is the 'other actions' AN is talking about or at least one of them
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This is why I said "continual?" I meant that we would use Golden Age to spend 4 or 10 of one or more of our overflowing resources, which hopefully would not end the Golden Age, then let Diplo refill us back up, then do it again. We'd have to balance on a knife edge to get it right, not letting everything overflow into Martial but also not letting the Golden Age end. We'd probably be upgrading our traits like crazy and, due to early Iron bringers, finding lots of new materials. If we can pull it off it would be a lot of fun.
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Martial is very much the last stat to overflow, yes. The idea is that excess mystical beliefs first leads to more decorations and the like/excess art means more religious art everywhere. Once those are filled up it goes towards more trade goods.
For maxed out trade, first it goes into gaining more artworks from elsewhere to sell back home, with that art eventually overflowing into mysticism. Only once art and mysticism are overflowing does excess Diplomacy basically make the local polity so attractive that it starts drawing in more and more immigrants, producing Econ.
When Econ overflows, the first thing to happen is that the excess is traded away. Only once everything else is filled up do you start getting overflow into Martial from people lacking anything else to do.
Martial doesn't overflow, it just gets increasingly dangerous.
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That's interesting, so if we were to take a single secondary on build a new saltern in the south we'd probably end up with the provinces following up. And it only needs three secondaries total, so it's actually pretty likely!
Umi-san
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*shrug* it might be true that we'd get a saltern that costs 8 actions and thus 8 econ.
Think about it like this: They'd been traveling through a shitton of different polities along the way, laughing at how the rubes were like "salt!!!!" and then they came to us and we gave 0 fucks.
IIRC symphony just adds an extra hidden action that still costs. I could be wrong though. Ask @notgreat, he's better at #'s.
I'm pointing out that we don't really need a golden age to take advantage of this. 4 stats/turn, for example, means all the megaprojects can be built easily. Along with many other things.
Squee! Though this doesn't answer my other question. Does econ gained by other stats overflowing into econ take up econ slots?
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Ah, yes, it would take up econ expansion slots unless for some reason there were a way to import new technology or something like that.