Before losing GS and gaining Iron it was ~neutral in terms of stats between the different options. It also would've given us the first true city and the correspondingly larger prestige boost.

But no, we didn't due to fears of hygiene in our city (clearly a major problem as we've seen thus far /s) and the idea that our women leader having to restore our stability via actions instead of starting high would lead to a worse narrative somehow...

It's kinda a useless argument now since we definitely don't want to grab the larger one now, but it's definitely a loss about as large as not saccing our diplo king.
I'll note that, even aside from the points others have raised, if we had then we'd likely given up having our admin/diplo hero making new trails and doing that amazing salt gift, in favor of stab raising, or else staying at lower stability, either of which would likely have lead to us not having our golden age (either due to lack of stab, or due to the lack of art and mysticism from the salt gift, which, you know, got us iron?
 
Crow + Alien but knowable
Crow + Benevolent
Crow + Prankster

These would be the combos which encourage a mentality of curiosity and a sense of exploration.
Alien would be studying with no preconceptions that there is a lesson behind things.
Benevolent justifies going above and beyond, trusting that there is a good thing behind it all.
Prankster would be more of a paranoid stance, since the main goal is to fuck with you, and teaching you is incidental. It's be studying the world to see how you can be fucked.
Veekie do you think this will also help solve our mysticism issue since it involves studying much like our LoW trait or do you think just having a main temple no matter the god will help train shamans faster countering the mystic drain?
 
Also I wonder if after this we will be able to make temples to the other gods as an extended project and if so maybe making a temple to the god of kings when we build the Palace will have some nice synergy?
I like this plan. It would place part of the curch in the halls of state but that's not always, or even often a bad thing.
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Demons are defined in Ymaryn theology as those spirits outside the symphony of the system. Crow comes from outside the system, but CREATED the system, so he is simultaneously inside and outside the system.
but the conclusion drawn is that while he comes from the same place beyond the order of the world as demons he himself is not a demon as he helped produce the order of the world, and he is not intrinsically malicious

Something immensely powerful and a little bit outside the current order, but not demonic.
 
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@Academia Nut How big is multi-facet-ness in our mythos? I mean, Crow is seen as a three faced guy, but he's also someone who sits outside the natural order. Are there any other gods or spirits that are widely believed to be multi-part?
 
[X] [Temple] Fythhagyna
[X] [Crow] Alien but knowable
[X] [Boats] Not the boats, but where they are made
[x] [Drought] Weed out troublemakers (Main Restore Order)
[X] [CA] Bring in whoever comes (Chance of stability loss, +2 Econ)

I rather wish it was safer to take in a larger refugee crowd, but it doesn't seem prudent at this time. Hopefully restore order hits high, so we have some breathing room on that front.

While I'm less than perfectly confident that the hopeful speculation about Crow's nature being knowable is entirely accurate, I'm hopeful enough to take a chance on that.

As for boating, I'm about 60/40 on better boatbuilding vs size. Bigger boats allow for more cargo and longer trips, and in many ways is very useful in naval combat (larger boats carry more fighting men with heavier equipment, leading to winning in boarding actions, taller boats support ranged weaponry, bigger boats can sacrifice cargo capacity for increased sturdiness, giving advantages in ramming combat). However, I think developing better construction facilities first will allow later innovations to be magnified far more rapidly, created more quickly, and developed further. In the meantime, the people should be able to match the competition through the application of mass boat quantities.

As for the chief god, I think hearkening back to the People's roots, as farmers before everything else, is a strong idea. They built a solid economy, and from that everything else has flowed.
 
[X] [Temple] Crow
[X] [Crow] Alien but knowable
[X] [Boats] Not the boats, but where they are made
[X] [Drought] Weed out troublemakers (Main Restore Order)
[X] [CA] Bring in whoever comes (Chance of stability loss, +2 Econ)
 
I know want to hear about and have other gods grow in prominance, but I just really like the concept of Crow and I don't want his overall importance to the cosmology of the People to drift. Crow, being a Trickster, feels vulnerable to to this because he's a weird god/primordial/demon and not an entity easy to connect or relate to.
He's been fine for a thousand years, and has been one of our most important spirits throughout. Him not having pride of place in the center of the temple won't change that.
 
@Academia Nut am i right in thinking that the "+0" in the diplo score is from our new trading value? If so, is it 0 because of the drought, or is leading production of 2 luxuries just not enough for more than 1 diplo ever other turn or the like?
 
If we had rushed the Temple to completion this turn, would we have had the same decisions (possibly prompting multiple mid-turns) or would the Temple have been more barren?

Hmmmm... I would say that it would have involved intense theological debates.

How big is multi-facet-ness in our mythos? I mean, Crow is seen as a three faced guy, but he's also someone who sits outside the natural order. Are there any other gods or spirits that are widely believed to be multi-part?

It's not yet significant, but the temple and people questioning things (especially now that they are really realizing that their conceptualizations of the spirits has variation between provinces) is really starting to crystallize theology.

m i right in thinking that the "+0" in the diplo score is from our new trading value? If so, is it 0 because of the drought, or is leading production of 2 luxuries just not enough for more than 1 diplo ever other turn or the like?

It's a placeholder for timing purposes. At the end of this turn you gain +0 Diplo, and next midturn you gain +3.
 
[x] [Temple] Mathulmyn
[x] [Crow] Benevolent
[x] [Boats] Not the boats, but where they are made
[x] [Drought] Weed out troublemakers (Main Restore Order)
[x] [CA] Bring in whoever comes (Chance of stability loss, +2 Econ)

Switched to this because I want to see our shamans' arguments over how to portray Mathulmyn.

Also gives us a good chance to push one facet of Mathulmyn over the others, so it'd let us encourage the god's/gods' advisory role.
 
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He's been fine for a thousand years, and has been one of our most important spirits throughout. Him not having pride of place in the center of the temple won't change that.
Yes it will. This isn't a matter of pride of place it is a matter of designing our cosmology for the long term. What deity/entity do you want to have premier place for the next thousand years?

In the long run, people will associate the importance of the deities placed in that temple with their importance in the overall cosmology. It has to do with the permanence of things. If people can see/feel a specific thing it will stick in their minds more than anything else. Whatever we designate this temple to will, in a few hundred years, be in the chief position of our cosmology.
 
Vote best farm goddess!
[] [Temple] Fythhagyna

What does outsiders see when they arrive at our domain? Fields as far as the eye can see, people as numerous as blades of grass, and god metal shaped into tools.

There is no life without food, no knowledge or secrets discovered without life, thus the secret of life is food.

Fythhagyna the caring goddess; the farmer, the mother, and the true symbol of the people. We will honor her with bountiful harvests and love of our family and neighbor.


[] [Temple] Fythhagyna
 
Also gives us a good chance to push one facet of Mathulmyn over the others, so it'd let us encourage the god's/gods' advisory role.
I might switch over to Mathulmyn, but for now I feel having Fythhagyna, and maybe being able to encourage multi-facetness in her, will be enough.
 
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