Do reread our traits and our history, please.
We accepted and declared innocent the woman who was indirectly responsible for our first near civil war.
Paths of Civilization
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Do reread our traits and our history, please.
We accepted and declared innocent the woman who was indirectly responsible for our first near civil war.
- Location
- Canada
The entire incident seems as if it was a misunderstanding and the anti-lowlands faction is larger then the pro-lowlands faction so yeah I'm hedging my bets on this.
- Location
- Mists of Albion
Do you think the gang clans will become like the Roman versions of the Tribes? You seem to be better at this sort of thing than I am
Justice is not synonymous with the law, though the law in all its incarnations does struggle to be just in the conception of its makers.
Our civ does object to offensive war which this would effectively be.
- Location
- his hidden lair
Fellow soldiers seized a village, it's natural other soldiers are more sympathetic. Going immediately to 'they'll follow our orders or we will suppress this unlawful rebellion!' doesn't help either. Especially with the various March Chiefs being liable to support their fellow warriors politically at least. The issue is not that clear cut, and assuming the military is solely an instrument of our will is foolish, as is assuming rebellion when it's clear the military has it's own political agenda and has had it for centuries.
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
- Location
- Lawrence's Wagon
It's the hegemony answer. Noone else can judge our citizens, only us. We judge those who wrong us.
It's pseudo-just, but actually asshole
TheDanishLord
Viking Warlord
- Location
- Denmark
This is no time for half measures
I will not vote on this one
Si vis pacem, para bellum
I will not vote on this one
Si vis pacem, para bellum
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- Location
- Australia
Could be a soulless. It wouldn't be the first to attain such a high position of power.
It's bad to assume that all warriors are sympathetic to all other warriors and what they do. Take the warriors who we'd be arresting, for instance. Many of them are bad, but some of them are decent and were being defensive. The warriors we'll be sending to arrest them will think nothing bad about what they're told to do - bring everyone home so that the bad warriors can be sentenced and the good warriors can be let go.
With them will go Blackbirds and Carrion Eaters, and while they obviously aren't perfect, are still good enough to be relied upon to keep a handle on things as an extra security measure.
VoidZero
Passing Flan 布丁魔王
- Location
- Anywhere but RL
We do have tradition of bring suspects before gathering of chiefs to lay out all of the events. So that is like a simple court. We also have to sort out the mess ourselves or people(internal or external) will think it's ok to take things into their own hand.
Doesn't help that our people doesn't know if the aggression was ordered or not, view of abandonment will not be taken favorably.
Also want to keep the star metals in our hands.
- Location
- Mists of Albion
Yet you said that
That implies that we would let the Highlanders judge our warriors by killing them, yet they are two different options and you seem to be getting them confused
Fellow soldiers seized a village, it's natural other soldiers are more sympathetic. Going immediately to 'they'll follow our orders or we will suppress this unlawful rebellion!' doesn't help either. Especially with the various March Chiefs being liable to support their fellow warriors politically at least. The issue is not that clear cut, and assuming the military is solely an instrument of our will is foolish, as is assuming rebellion when it's clear the military has it's own political agenda and has had it for centuries.
And they are bringing their fellow soldiers home, to their families.
DocMatoi
Theoretical Lover of Girls
- Location
- within 2 hours of the White House
- Pronouns
- They/Them
"Hey soldiers, these guys took over a village that belongs to our Ally. They may or may not be traitors to the people acting against the greater good, so we're going to go arrest them and figure out what the fuck happened."
Xantalos
Turtle-Speed Writing
Oh god it's Ymaryn Palpatine trying to get us into the
Ando Owen
Yandere Illya is watching you.
- Location
- Montpellier
This will be the first time I post in this thread, but I have lurked for a good while now.
My opinion is similar to DragonParadox's.
Something happened, the Highland Kingdom is rightfully pissed since our warriors offed an entire village that belonged to them. This is not the time for cold blooded pragmatism and realpolitik but justice.
Some might justify going to war because it is an opportunity, some because it will lessen our martial stat, and they will say it will be the best option out of this mess. However, they won't be able to say it is the right thing. The People, though recently troubled, is a closed-knit community with a potent belief that they are doing good and that the land will be better place by the time they are dead. What do you think they will believe when they hear this story? A righteous war or a power grab by cruel leaders? What legacy will it leave to our future generations? Men may apologize, but History doesn't forgive.
You have to see beyond the incident, beyond the immediate present. Beyond the Highland Kingdom.
This isn't simply about justice and righteousness. This is about values and beliefs. With the evolution of clan laws to smooth life in large cities, the King accidently created a whole new lot of corruption and a whole gang mindset in what was the foundation of our social structures. The lessons these gangsters will learn from the King, the same who allowed them to appear in the first place, if he goes to war on a whim will look like "In for a village, in for a region." The loss of morality and the surge of violence will be reflected in these corrupted and instable groups, we have gangs right now, but if they get into their heads that they should go into a turf war because of a momentary advantage, we will be able to expect our greatest cities to turn into disharmony through vendetta and riots. Legitimacy will drop, stability will drop big time, we will get asshole and ruthless values, the People will turn either against the government or against itself, and it will be ruinous all the same.
What happens in a story may or not happens in real life, but what happens in real life can certainly happen in a story.
My opinion is similar to DragonParadox's.
Something happened, the Highland Kingdom is rightfully pissed since our warriors offed an entire village that belonged to them. This is not the time for cold blooded pragmatism and realpolitik but justice.
Some might justify going to war because it is an opportunity, some because it will lessen our martial stat, and they will say it will be the best option out of this mess. However, they won't be able to say it is the right thing. The People, though recently troubled, is a closed-knit community with a potent belief that they are doing good and that the land will be better place by the time they are dead. What do you think they will believe when they hear this story? A righteous war or a power grab by cruel leaders? What legacy will it leave to our future generations? Men may apologize, but History doesn't forgive.
You have to see beyond the incident, beyond the immediate present. Beyond the Highland Kingdom.
This isn't simply about justice and righteousness. This is about values and beliefs. With the evolution of clan laws to smooth life in large cities, the King accidently created a whole new lot of corruption and a whole gang mindset in what was the foundation of our social structures. The lessons these gangsters will learn from the King, the same who allowed them to appear in the first place, if he goes to war on a whim will look like "In for a village, in for a region." The loss of morality and the surge of violence will be reflected in these corrupted and instable groups, we have gangs right now, but if they get into their heads that they should go into a turf war because of a momentary advantage, we will be able to expect our greatest cities to turn into disharmony through vendetta and riots. Legitimacy will drop, stability will drop big time, we will get asshole and ruthless values, the People will turn either against the government or against itself, and it will be ruinous all the same.
What happens in a story may or not happens in real life, but what happens in real life can certainly happen in a story.
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I disagree. It is the answer of a society seeing careful deliberation before passing judgement.
To use the trader incident I invoked earlier. The big man of the People did not just let the traders stone those tho had slept around.
- Location
- Australia
"If you want peace, prepare for war" is fine, but that's not what your vote reflects. What your vote reflects is "If you want peace, go to war", which is nonsense.
...as long as we get our own Jedis out of this...
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
- Location
- Lawrence's Wagon
I never said we don't judge people. Or that we don't have judges. But we don't have anything resembling modern fair trials or courts. No juries, just the whim of the chief
There's no contradiction. The most just answer is the first. Let the nation they wronged judge them. The second is the asshole hegemon: we only judge our own.
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Fellow soldiers seized a village, it's natural other soldiers are more sympathetic. Going immediately to 'they'll follow our orders or we will suppress this unlawful rebellion!' doesn't help either. Especially with the various March Chiefs being liable to support their fellow warriors politically at least. The issue is not that clear cut, and assuming the military is solely an instrument of our will is foolish, as is assuming rebellion when it's clear the military has it's own political agenda and has had it for centuries.
We know that many of them have no idea what the heck is going on. The warriors we send will know that they have no chance against the forces of the Highland Kingdom without our support, and they know that the king is fair enough that this is also partly a rescue mission for their fellow warriors who are stuck in a bad situation. It's foolish to assume that our military is a powder keg waiting to abandon all their family and personal ties at the first hint of betrayal.
- Location
- Source of confusion itself.
Morality is the opinion of a big mass of people on what is right and wrong. You can disagree, but that doesn't negate my prior point. Because it's just an opinion. Again.
Letting a bunch of warriors, who simply defended themself get lynched is unjust, but also probably prevents a war from hapening. There are plenty other things that sacrifice a few people unjustly for the greater good, despite them being neither willing, nor it being just. And that is not an opinion, but a fact. So we have a fact against an opinion, that is based on another opinion.
Justice isn't good, but inherently evil. You must be cruel to be just. We'll probably either lose the greater good or protective justice here. Other people like sacrificing others unjustly for the greater good. I'm on the other hand, one of the people who would sacrifice the greater good for justice.
For chaos, evil, passion, freedom and justice. May the most evil gods be on our side. All the dark tsundere and yandere loli goddesses! Justice prevails!
DkArthas
CAPITAL IS TO BLAME
- Location
- Earth
- Pronouns
- They
Honestly, as long as the first option doesn't win, I will be fine with any choice even if I prefer taking advantage of this opportunity.
I just won't fucking allow a civilization of slaving filthy lowlanders to judge our warriors.
That right belongs only to The People.
I just won't fucking allow a civilization of slaving filthy lowlanders to judge our warriors.
That right belongs only to The People.
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pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
- Location
- Lawrence's Wagon
No, the rule on international crimes between peers is nearly always 'the victim judges the perpetrator'
'We judge our own' is nearly always the hehemon position. Which is why the HK will take exception.
We have The Law - it is exactly a thing that describes transgressions and punishments.
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
- Location
- Lawrence's Wagon
See this response. It's a clear example of 'asshole hegemon'.
Edit: which is better than asshole imperialist, don't get me wrong.