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Sivantic said:
We're not building it inside the new forest area, we're building it near our Place of Spirits. Right between the two villages we already have, not north of our coastal one.
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Aaaaah, okay them, them i will vote change my vote ASAP.

[X] Support more wise folk to serve as educators
[X][Mega-Project] Fight Forest Blight
[X][Secondary] Black Soil
[X][Secondary] Expand Managed Forests
 
Malevolo said:
Your analyzes are pretty good i like them because you make me see things in new ways. But i think that building the new settlement inside the new forest area, will create a place solely focused on forestry and producing charcoal, and right now, charcoal is the most important thing for Black Soil, until we can build sewers and streamline all that piss and shit to a single place, burn it, throw charcoal, them spread around the step-farms, the pastures, the forest and even on the lowlanders face.
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Aw, thanks! Hang on, let me find the right picture:


Like I said, they're both decent options, so I'm not going to complain no matter which ends up winning. However, the Expand Managed Forests has the advantage of boosting our Economy and expanding our influence.
 
[X] Devote more assistants to the leaders, decreasing the complexity of their tasks
[X] [Main] Fight Forest Blight
[X] [Secondary] Black Soil
[X] [Secondary] Expand Managed Forests

We already talked about this once, but given the recent news on the forests, we need to curtail this issue. It should also help us save our snail production.

The black soil should do wonders for our food production as a whole.
 
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pbluekan said:
[X] Support more wise folk to serve as educators
[X] [Mega-Project] Grand Canal
[X] [Secondary] Black Soil
[X] [Secondary] Expand Managed Forests

We already talked about this once, and given the recent news on the forests, we need to curtail this issue. It should also help us save our snail production.
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How does making a canal help with that over actually addressing the issue?
 
[X] Devote more assistants to the leaders, decreasing the complexity of their tasks
[X] [Main] Fight Forest Blight
[X] [Secondary] Black Soil
[X] [Secondary] New Settlement
 
[X] Support more wise folk to serve as educators
[X] [Mega-Project] Fight Forest Blight
[X] [Secondary] Black Soil
[X] [Secondary] Expand Managed Forests
 
[X] Support more wise folk to serve as educators
[X] [Main] Fight Forest Blight
[X] [Secondary] Black Soil
[X] [Secondary] New Settlement
 
[X] Support more wise folk to serve as educators
[X][Main] Fight Forest Blight
[X][Secondary] Black Soil
[X][Secondary] Expand Managed Forests
 
UbeOne said:
So, educators or bureaucrats?
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It's basically quality VS quantity.

Educators: All our children get educated, becoming smarter and allowing us to identify any more talented or heroic people while they're still young and allow them to reach their full potential.

Bureaucrats: Creates a new administrative class who help to run the place. We can get more done as our chiefs can focus on the 'big picture' while their assistants handle any nitty gritty little details.

Bureaucrats lets us handle more options while Educators slowly improves our people over the generations and increases their productivity. Ideally, we'd get both of these ASAP, but in the short term Bureaucrats is better since it lets us organize and handle the Mega-Project while Educators will take some time to build up to the point that we can see significant results.
 
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Picking bureaucrats now has its own long-term issues, though, issues we may not be able to solve as they become self-perpetuating.
 
zamin said:
It's basically quality VS quantity.

Educators: All our children get educated, becoming smarter and allowing us to identify any more talented or heroic people while they're still young and allow them to reach their full potential.

Bureaucrats: Creates a new administrative class who help to run the place. We can get more done as our chiefs can focus on the 'big picture' while their assistants handle any nitty gritty little details.

Bureaucrats lets us handle more options while Educators slowly improves our people over the generations and increases their productivity. Ideally, we'd get both of these ASAP, but in the short term Bureaucrats is better since it lets us organize and handle the Mega-Project while Educators will take some time to build up to the point that we can see significant results.
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There's also the fact that most of the people won't have time to get educated, so we would still see a nobility form
 
*Finishes reading up on this quest.*

Sivantic said:
There's also the fact that most of the people won't have time to get educated, so we would still see a nobility form
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Far more likely, the education will be sparse and not be learning during the entire work time. Perhaps the equivalent of once a week, with people showing promise going to the better education programs.

I can certainly understand the allure, and even argument, for starting bureaucracy given the current circumstances. Education, however, provides more movement between different professions. It will allow a farmer to have a better chance of being a hunter, a hunter a better chance of being a trader, etc. Allowing our culture to adjust as needed is a very strong thing to get started, and can even improve actual professions such as forestry over time. Considering fixing the ecological disaster is going to be a multi-generational problem, that is time that we have.

Bureaucracy meanwhile gets the project off to a better start more immediately and can help with organizing more projects. There will likely still be some social mobility there, but not nearly as much. It is tempting.

That said, my view on this comes down to three things. First, Education is probably going to be harder to find a reason to implement so we may not get a chance at it as soon as we would a bureaucracy. Second, social mobility will grant people the ability to fill needed jobs as they come into existence, providing a basic concept of quality throughout our culture. Third, a general basis in education can help with the reforestation project too, in that people will have a better knowledge base and be more used to figuring out new ideas to work on the project more effectively.

[X] Support more wise folk to serve as educators
[X][Main] Fight Forest Blight
[X][Secondary] Black Soil
[X][Secondary] Expand Managed Forests

Action votes I agree on for reasons others have put forth.
 
Kiba said:
Sure, as long as it's useful. The last thing I want to do is construct the Great Pyramid of Giza, which took 20 years to build, and the Egyptians have nothing to show for it except as a tomb for some rich king.

OK, they do have to build the infrastructures to enable the Great Pyramid of Giza...but still, there are other way better megaprojects we could be doing.
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hylas240 said:
The pyramids
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veekie said:
See Stonehenge, the Pyramids, .
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*perks up*

My sweet children, fear not, for your priest has arrived.

For all of you who pray to pyramids-
For those who find life to be full of zest with ziggurats-
For the proud few that know a life is obscene without a proper obelisk-

Your priest has arrived.

We'll get the largest, most enduring, most awe-inspiring pyramids built. Never fear.

For I. Have. Arrived.
 
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