pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
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But the recent intakes have been lower than historically. I suspect it's simply the older waves have finished integrating, and recent ones haven't yet.
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No, the problem are the provinces.
We have, up to a degree, evolved different cultures in different provinces, since many newer provinces were created with the People a minority.
Thus we have traditions that diverge significantly from province to province, with the march basically being the People in name only.
If we cannot unify the values internally once more, each new refugee wave will dillute our former core values.
We basically need better integration processes.
It is a shame LoO never evolved - I'd expect it would have addressed that.
Now, in my opinion, we urgenty need the double main Improve Festivals option just to educate everyone in the values of Ymmri.
And with everyone I mean people who are supposed to be our citizens for generations already.
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The issue with that model is that according to AN values in the periphery are not trending towards the Ymiri norm but away.
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Well, considering the current vote has a massive lead, let's figure out how to deal with the problems it will cause.
Next turn:
[Main] Megaproject (Garden or Salterns)
This brings our stability to either +1 or +2, and no duh we've got megaproject support so we should do a megaproject
[Main] New Settlement - Province location
We need to expand. We're out of econ slots, we're skipping free actions by not expanding, why do we want megaproject support again?
Seriously it's got a 60 vote lead and basically no arguments for it, so I'm very confused, especially since before the update most people seemed to agree that Expansion was ideal since it literally gives us a free action every turn since we have 2 province spots open.
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Provinces:
[Main] Megaproject x2
We get 3 progress on the megaproject which is nice, I guess. It'd be more efficient if we could find a way to make The Law double the [Main] and open up an extra secondary, but I don't think we've got any way to do that.
edit: Unless we're trying to get an honour value about megaprojects? I don't really see how that could work but if we do get it it's probably worth it. Still haven't seen many arguments about it which was really weird.
Next turn:
[Main] Megaproject (Garden or Salterns)
This brings our stability to either +1 or +2, and no duh we've got megaproject support so we should do a megaproject
[Main] New Settlement - Province location
We need to expand. We're out of econ slots, we're skipping free actions by not expanding, why do we want megaproject support again?
Seriously it's got a 60 vote lead and basically no arguments for it, so I'm very confused, especially since before the update most people seemed to agree that Expansion was ideal since it literally gives us a free action every turn since we have 2 province spots open.
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Provinces:
[Main] Megaproject x2
We get 3 progress on the megaproject which is nice, I guess. It'd be more efficient if we could find a way to make The Law double the [Main] and open up an extra secondary, but I don't think we've got any way to do that.
edit: Unless we're trying to get an honour value about megaprojects? I don't really see how that could work but if we do get it it's probably worth it. Still haven't seen many arguments about it which was really weird.
Do you have a source for that? I know for certain we don't get a free switch when a megaproject completes, but I don't remember anything to support this claim.
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[x] The whole lowlands are kind of a mess, you know? (-3 Stability, +6-8 Econ, other effects)
[x] Share with even those who don't want to listen (-1 Diplomacy, +1 immediate Stability, chance for additional stability, other effects)
[X] Megaproject Support
[x] Share with even those who don't want to listen (-1 Diplomacy, +1 immediate Stability, chance for additional stability, other effects)
[X] Megaproject Support
Keep in mind that festivals gel and strengthen gender roles.
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Do they?
Because so far all we have been told about the festivals was that they bring all of our people together as a community, help to integrate, and educate the people in what it means to be Ymmri.
Exactly what we need right now.
Nowhere have I seen anything mentioned that festivals divide - be it by gender role or something else.
PyroTechno
The Procrastination Pokemon
[X] There is a war going on too you know (-2 Stability, +4-5 Econ)
[X] Share with even those who don't want to listen (-1 Diplomacy, +1 immediate Stability, chance for additional stability, other effects)
[X] Megaproject Support
[X] Share with even those who don't want to listen (-1 Diplomacy, +1 immediate Stability, chance for additional stability, other effects)
[X] Megaproject Support
The festival will surely solidify the connection to the Stallions, but I think they will also cement gender roles through further gelling. This will require painful adjustment, which means stability loss.
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That is false, we know from the refuge Interlude that valleyhome doesn't take anyone "in", they are supporting them & help them to settle in the New lands, a.k.a. The New Settlements,
But that's it really.
In don't think so,
I think they are still the same, it's just that because our population has grown so much that they just got smaller in Relation to our Civ
It would also explain why it gives only 2 econ despite saying that it is a significant among of people that we would take in
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...nowhere in your quote or in the original post of AN there was anything that would supoport your claim that Festivals do not address the issues they are supposed to address or that festivals in any way promote gender bias.
What AN post say, is that we are currently have slavery and gender bias in the provinces that changed the traditions most from the core ones, march being especially bad.
Festival was always used to remind and reeducate the people in core values of our civilization.
This is exactly the action we need to adress the change of traditions leading to bias and slavery.
I honestly do not understand how a festival which is addressing these problems is supposed to make them worse.
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Actually he did say festivals could encourage prosocial but abusive behavior. The example he gave was parading people around to be shamed and pelted with refuse.
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
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- Lawrence's Wagon
I'm hardline on megaproject support because AN said that Saltern and Garden will get Symphony benefits if we do them while on megaproject support. I'd LOVE a megaproject honour value, but I can't imagine what that would look like. So it's probably not available.
AN recently said that if we ran out of econ they would either Build Econ, or New Settlement. So I can vouch for that part.
Edit: Megaproject Support Mechanics
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At least not in the quote Kiba used.
And as long as the shamed people are the slavers, I would be ok with it.
We have so much trouble and concern about the development of the Ymrri that we're going to have trouble even if we achieve regional hegemony.
Correction here. The more efficient use of slots would be for two provinces to join into a main and then have law double that, leaving one secondary for something like building a settlement or expanding econ (depending on how aware they are of the baby boom).
No, the shamed people would be our pseudo-slaves and since mocking and abusing people as a mob has a certain primitive appeal it would cement the notion that they are somehow inherently inferior.
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
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Are you certain that The Law will double a Main created by two province actions? My interpretation was that it would add a secondary.
...and I would like a quote for that.
Because looking at the core values of Valleyhome, and how Blackbirds gave information to the King he used to curb corruption and shame the chiefs in the land affair where the refugees were taken advantage of, the shamed ones would be the slavers, and not the slaves.
Because Ymmri do not have slaves.
We have half exiles, and anyone abusing them is guilty of breaking the law, and would, therefore, be shamed if it were discovered and proven.
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It doubles the strength of a policy action per turn.
pblur
Reminiscing over the halcyon days of Ymaryn
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Sure. But the entire reason that class-based half-exile status exists is because the population of those provinces is on board that those people tend to be the biggest troublemakers. So unless the festival happens immediately after we stompified some corrupt chiefs, it won't target them.