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I mean we didn't have the ability to break the system. Now that FOOM is on the table we are basically going with the same play Akatsuki did
Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rational rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard open voting
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Right, but that doesn't explain us *and also Jiraiya was probably the only person Mari could trust to not have fallen for his manipulations and still showed affection for her*.
Isn't FOOM a years-long project?
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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Could you cut the bit about Akatsuki enforcing peace? There's a lot that can be done without Akatsuki doing that kinda stuff.
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[X] Action Plan: Keep It Simple, Stinker
@Paperclipped I would like it if you could talk a little bit about how we would be a valuable partner. Bring up the fact that we went from a no name genin to a clan head who is changing the world within 2 years. We have stared down demi-gods. We have won the most dangerous game against Zabuza who was the worlds greatest hunter nin. We have managed to come in from the cold. We are the seal smith to the gods
@Paperclipped I would like it if you could talk a little bit about how we would be a valuable partner. Bring up the fact that we went from a no name genin to a clan head who is changing the world within 2 years. We have stared down demi-gods. We have won the most dangerous game against Zabuza who was the worlds greatest hunter nin. We have managed to come in from the cold. We are the seal smith to the gods
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- The Maple Syrup Mountains
While I think it can be valuable to ensure that Itachi doesn't think all the things we did were actually Jiraiya's doing, I don't think it's a good idea to hype ourselves up. Itachi isn't the sort of person where prideful boasts of how awesome we are would have much positive effect, and he's presumably intelligent enough to extrapolate from our past accomplishments to our future potential.
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These aren't prideful boast though. They are strictly things we have accomplished with essentially no resources. We have to convince Itachi that it worth his time to ally with us. We have to sell ourselves as valuable partners because otherwise we are just troublesome blunders who should be killed to simplify his life
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- The state of Paranoia
[X] Action Plan: Keep It Simple, Stinker
Yeah, strategies for peace shouldn't be predetermined.
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- USA
Okay. I wish there was a version of Aumann's Agreement Theorem in universe to point to, but I think we can successfully convey that if our goals are aligned, through discussion we will be able to find a methodology that both people find acceptable. We have more power in this discussion that otherwise might be apparent because we have resources in Leaf that Akatsuki likely won't have access to, but that seems too nuanced. I'll stress that through conversation and cooperation, aligned goals become aligned actions.
I'll change "vendetta" to "grudge".
Do you have any suggestions on what to put there? We clearly contacted Akatsuki with some intention, how do we justify that?
Even though most of this should be obvious to Itachi, I agree that it's good to point out our value as a "we're aligned, so you lose by harming us" thing. I'll try to put it in a way that it doesn't sound like we're up our ass.
Cariyaga
Handsome Gentleperson
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- United States
They're a group of S rankers with at least nominally similar goals to our own.
Emstar
The Shining One
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- Trapped in an extradimensional rift.
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[X] Action Plan: Keep It Simple, Stinker
This is cool.
I would enjoy it if the first words out of our mouth were something along the lines of "Because we know that the world is broken and dying" or what have you, but thats mostly for flavor.
Hopefully this is neither a genjutsu nor a hallucination!
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Made some edits. In particular, @Oneiros, does this satisfy showing that we're worthy allies both in strength and ideology?
[X] Action Plan: Keep It Simple, Stinker
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Be as polite and straightforward as possible. Drink the peppermint tea if offered, (-1 FP: Declare we have honey), offer honey to Itachi if the conversation allows.
You're asking us why we should leave the room alive:
You're asking why you can trust us:
You're asking why this idea is a good thing:
On our own, we will accomplish a lot. Together, we can change the system.
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Be as polite and straightforward as possible. Drink the peppermint tea if offered, (-1 FP: Declare we have honey), offer honey to Itachi if the conversation allows.
You're asking us why we should leave the room alive:
- Because we know the world is broken and dying.
- We think Akatsuki wants a better system than the one in place now.
- Our goals are probably aligned with yours. If you care about stopping war between nations and improving civilian lives, we have a lot of common ground.
- Let's engage in conversation and find a way to both benefit. Cooperation is stronger than conflict.
You're asking why you can trust us:
- We reached out to you despite killing Jiraiya. We can put our grudges aside.
- We gain nothing from betraying you. You can evade any capture attempt.
- We gain everything from working with you. Your power can be the keystone in a necessary international peace, however you wish to use it.
- Disclaimer: We have made mistakes before - as a result of ignorance and power dynamics. We are improving.
You're asking why this idea is a good thing:
- The system in place right now is self-consuming. It will continue to collapse on itself until there's nothing left.
- Villages will war with each other as they always have done unless something changes dramatically.
- We are worthy allies. We have the tenacity to survive for years under the wrath of Hidden Mist, and come out of it with a desire to help and protect the weak.
- It looks like we're weapons dealers, but we're trying to make Leaf better from within. We're building housing, using ninja powers for clean water and health, and pushing the Clans towards diplomacy, not war.
On our own, we will accomplish a lot. Together, we can change the system.
Jello_Raptor
(Confirmed Jelly)
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[X] Action Plan: A New Justice
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- Raleigh, NC
[X] Action Plan: A New Justice
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- Italy
[X] Action Plan: Transcending Hate
WC:651
Why leave us alive
Not completely convinced,but better posting a plan than regretting it, especially in such important situation. As always, take what you want from it, if you find something interesting.
WC:651
Why leave us alive
- You have reasons for your actions and a plan,but that's not the point,isn't it?
- Explain said reasons if needed(We didn't know about Akatsuki plan,We just tried to survive as missing-nin)
- Everyone have justifiable reasons for their actions,but know only their own reasons,
- We're here because,somewhere, people starting killing each for some reason. That first reason became irrelevant,as revenge and brutal pragmatism kept the slaughter going.
- what the Villages did and Akatsuki did for our own understandable reasons.
- You won't deny the truth to make yourself feel better:They lost irreplaceable people and a future he believes was better for everyone.
- You lost a father, a second father you thought you could never have, and a future that you believe was better for everyone.
- We did hurt each other at our core, like it always happen.
- There are many pragmatic reasons why we should help each other, many assurances you can give them if they believe you're untrustworthy, and you will give them, but at the core, the reason he should trust you at least the base amount to see what happens, it's...
- That we're not the first, and if we, that believe above anything else in a world at peace, in world where the pain we inflicted and received should not be...if we decide to follow our hate or the same brutal pragmatism against each other,now fully knowing what we're doing. Then there is no hope.
- Because it means we're are not changing the system, but just two of many people that hurts other because they had a reason.
- And that it's something that scares you more that dying, so you refuse to follow your hate, you won't bury it until it's convenient and then wait for vengeance...you refused it, you refuse and you always will.
- If he believes you'll accidentally hurt the world, let's talk and you will listen, if he doesn't believe i wants to change the worlds, then watch me, you will show him. If he believe i'll fail, then guide me, you will grow.
- You firmly believe that if we don't behave better, here that we can. No one will.
- He can't leave someone that could burn the world tomorrow alive, nor help someone whose plain is ridiculous, so you'll tell him your plan
- Everything
- The world is as it is for a multitude of factors(Hunger,Territory,Politics,Revenge,Ignorance,Class Divide,Ect..), so many that simply enforcing pace isn't feasible long or short term
- On top of that, constant warfare and mistrust make so every single time someone tries to improve things, he gets killed or targeted for various reasons,forcing the few that wants to refrain from doing so in fear of retaliation
- So you're not going to hold back
- When you can, you'll completely remove factors that everything difficult:no more hunger means no more fight for food, eliminating a vectors for warfare.Those things once introduced will stay as they can't be removed by warfare
- When you can't, you'll push against other vectors, you can't resolve ignorance at once, but you can make civilians more educated and foster relationships between villages.
- Meanwhile, you'll grow Uplift. You and Akatsuki are not the only ones that wants peace. Those people are Uplift, they just don't know.
- Lastly, you'll simply oppose war and help people, because it's the right thing to do.
- This was the plan without Akatsuki, and you're more than willing to listen to people far more experienced than you.
- You're more than open to proposals! A summon always watching me? Capture me?There is a spectrum of choices between "Help me" and "Kill me"
- If they need assurances.You.Are.Ready. You won't waste the real possibility of ending war and despair.
Not completely convinced,but better posting a plan than regretting it, especially in such important situation. As always, take what you want from it, if you find something interesting.