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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest

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RandomOTP said:
Hey @eaglejarl, @Velorien, and @OliWhail? Chakra has a lot of effects on animals, and seems to change them in a wide variety of ways. Are there any chakra beasts or beings that have human or human-like intelligence? To the point where communication might be possible, that is... aside from Summons?
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Well...
Zabuza said:
"Can [the snow golem] understand human language?"

"Nobody knows," Yukino shouted back, using a carefully-angled ice shield to redirect a horizontal sweep away from her. "Can you hurry up and kill it, please? Zabuza? Sir?"

He couldn't just give Yukino a series of instructions. He remembered one of his early missions, back when he was still an incompetent chūnin, watching his team get taken apart by a rendclaw pack after discussing their plan in front of the enemy. Another reason why real shinobi made themselves strong enough to work alone.
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Edit: Ohh, we've actually met those:
Velorien said:
The sun was getting low in the horizon, and they were still in Rendclaw Forest, having got themselves turned around several times while fighting off various interestingly-coloured (and thus probably extremely venomous) snakes. The trees were thick, the sounds of the wildlife alternately intimidating and eerily quiet, and occasionally there were clumps of bones which definitely belonged to local animals.

"You know," Hazō began, "I'm starting to think that when Inoue-sensei designed this training, she—"

"Shh!" Mori hissed.

She was right. Now Hazō listened, there was definitely something moving behind them.

A second later, a roughly human-sized, grey-furred creature resembling a hunched-over rat stalked into view. It made no sound, and did not move to attack or flee, instead merely staring at them with hollow black eyes.

"Why is it just standing there?" Wakahisa whispered to Hazō.

"I don't know. Be careful—we don't know what it's capable of."

The creature raised its paws. Without a sound, black three-foot claws emerged from them.

"OK, I guess we do."

"What's the plan?" Hazō asked.

"Uh… OK," Wakahisa said. "I'm going to lock down its movement with ninjutsu. Mori, soften it up from range, then Kurosawa can finish it off while it's reeling."

There was a rustling sound, and then a second creature emerged from behind them. It, too, produced its claws, and then did nothing but stare. Its gaze seemed cold, almost lifeless.

"Change of plan. I'm going to keep this one busy. You two take the other one out and back me up as fast as you can."

Three more creatures emerged, positioned unambiguously to surround the group.

"Change of plan," Wakahisa began.

"Run!" Hazō yelled.

Hazō ran at a gap in the circle of monsters, but without chakra-enhanced speed he couldn't quite make it in time before their ranks closed with an eerie smoothness. The others weren't doing any better, leaving the group in a gradually tightening circle. More creatures were arriving by the second.

Hazō thought fast. He hadn't brought any exploding tags—he'd used up his individual supply while training with Kagome-sensei. But what he did have was a few practice blanks that Kagome-sensei had said looked like "they might not blow your head off unless you screw up". Of course, he'd also been very clear that Hazō was not to try infusing them until he'd had more training, at least not within ten miles of Kagome-sensei.

But desperate times…

Hazō slowly pulled out a blank, not noticing that the creatures immediately stopped moving, and concentrated as hard as he could as he slowly ran his finger across the surface of the seal.

In Hazō's mind, the blank was a labyrinthine landscape of impossible geometry, the flat drawing of the seal a compression of several intertwined dimensions that only loosely corresponded to conventional space and time. A single line out of place could signify time being told to run backwards, or matter twisting in on itself as a circle without beginning or end, or a channel pointing not up or down or left or right or towards or away but out, and if you were unlucky enough, something on the other end of that out might notice and decide to come in.

But when the blank was right, and Hazō's exploding tag blanks had recently become always right, it felt like he was the creator of his own miniaturised world. His chakra filled in the paths prepared for it, breathing divergent laws of physics and spatial relationships into what had once been a simple piece of paper. An exploding tag wasn't a firebomb—it was a command to the universe in the universe's own language, and the universe should consider itself lucky that Hazō wanted nothing more of it than a managed spherical energy release.

The moment of euphoria faded. Hazō gazed at his new exploding tag for the merest instant, then stuck it to a kunai and threw.
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I would be interested in visiting them again at some point.
 
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Random Conspiracy Theory:

When the Sage gave the world chakra, some animals were ascended to personhood as a result. Most of humanity couldn't distinguish these new sophonts from their more bestial counterparts —or, at least, didn't care enough to try. The Sage, horrified by this sudden tragedy he created, brought these beings to the Seventh Path, where he set up their original territories. Then he gifted them with the means to traverse to the original world, but without the fear of dying at the hands of the humans there. But the process, later called "Summoning" is a complex and all-encompassing masterpiece. So to preserve the delicate innerworkings of the "Summoning" process, the Sage advised these beings to avoid Sealwork in its entirety —lest a sealing failure ruin the "summoning" matrix he set up.
 
RandomOTP said:
Random Conspiracy Theory:

When the Sage gave the world chakra, some animals were ascended to personhood as a result. Most of humanity couldn't distinguish these new sophonts from their more bestial counterparts —or, at least, didn't care enough to try. The Sage, horrified by this sudden tragedy he created, brought these beings to the Seventh Path, where he set up their original territories. Then he gifted them with the means to traverse to the original world, but without the fear of dying at the hands of the humans there. But the process, later called "Summoning" is a complex and all-encompassing masterpiece. So to preserve the delicate innerworkings of the "Summoning" process, the Sage advised these beings to avoid Sealwork in its entirety —lest a sealing failure ruin the "summoning" matrix he set up.
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Alternatively, Kagome was right and the peoples of the Seventh Path are descendents of people he forced to turn into animals using pre-patched Henge.
 
faflec said:
Alternatively, Kagome was right and the peoples of the Seventh Path are descendents of people he forced to turn into animals using pre-patched Henge.
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(*dismissive wave of hand*)

Henge? Pffft, that's just a myth. If a jutsu like that actually existed, the world would be so different! That's just Kagome being Kagome

(*amused eye roll*)

edit: this is a joke
 
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Engineering section:

  • Go ask an engineer and learn how windmills and watermills work.
    • Can a wind sail push back against the wind? If so, maybe build a human powered wind generator housed inside a tunnel. (Wind Tunnel)
  • Invite Kunihiko to tea.
    • Discuss Hazo's ideas about the scientific method and how it could apply to the research data Kunihiko had gathered.
      • What factors are most relevant to flight? How can we isolate and test those factors?
 
1234qwerty said:
When I first read the rules for these, I didn't read anything special into the fact that the walls were invulnerable. My first instinct was to use these for the balloon part of a hot air balloon to avoid having to do material engineering. However, if they were invulnerable to force, there was no way this would ever work since the hot air wouldn't accomplish anything.
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I don't think that the important part of a hot air balloon is the hot air pushing on the balloon. The important part is that the hot air is less dense than the air outside the balloon, right? The important part is that it takes up space without weighing too much. If you had a rigid balloon with light enough material (like you would with force walls), you could probably even use vacuum. It would just be very difficult to engineer.

Admittedly, the outside of the balloon may need to be vulnerable to force, but we may be able to coat the force walls with paint or some light canvass which isn't invulnerable to force.
 
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Oneiros said:
social conventions
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That's a funny way to say 'direct order from the Hokage, who happens to be a dictator and is extending their trust to us'.

I mean, make the argument that early access to Itachi XP rates is more important than obeying Asuma's orders and validating his trust in us, but don't disguise the issue as something it's not. If we don't make our choices knowing exactly what we're getting into, we'll just be setting ourselves up for another round of Hazou going 'but I didn't think it was that bad' and everyone else going 'yeah uh it was that bad and you really should've been able to tell'.

Then again, treason-by-stupidity is more likely to be spared the killbox than treason-by-intention, so maybe we should pretend we're just talking about peer pressure or some other triviality.
 
Another thing to think about how Asuma could find out. The actual risk of him finding out if we take basic security precautions (which we will need to do to keep FOOM from being discovered) is virtually zero.
 
You guys realize the CR28 thing is the people in charge not wanting Hazou to die, right?

And we have no approval to teach Akane SC?
 
Oneiros said:
Another thing to think about how Asuma could find out. The actual risk of him finding out if we take basic security precautions (which we will need to do to keep FOOM from being discovered) is virtually zero.
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Hazo doesn't really have character sheet access. We're basically saying to him that he should throw caution to the wind and not listen to his elders about dangerous things. That's a negative character development.

What we need to do is prove to his elders that it's not as dangerous as they think. Which means that chakra measurement project we shelved.
 
Ultimately it doesn't really matter. We just need to rush to SC 30 to get bonus xp out of at least one clone
 
1234qwerty said:
I don't understand why this is a debate? Asuma is a reasonable person. Once a chakra farm is set up he'll amend his conditions.
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The problem is we're debating disclosing the idea of "Use Noburi + Chakra Farm to constantly have people train with SC." in the first place, more or less. Its an utterly massive pile of XP, and its one of those things where one should be quite leery with telling anyone at all IMO.

Theres been a lengthy back and forth on this somewhere here and in the discord, but the "Keep this under wraps, at least for now" side is more or less of the opinion that theres going to eventually be goals alignment conflicts with more or less every NPC in charge at somepoint unless we actively change their mindsets, so it would behoove us to wait a bit (and maybe accelerate ourselves first) before handing it out to everyone.
 
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