Do you really want to start shouting about "Plan Uplift" in front of everybody, including former-Nara-squeeze Minami?
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Marked for Death: A Rational Naruto Quest
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- naruto rationalist romance armageddon is looking better and better damn you kishimoto explosions everywhere explosives solve everyone if in doubt surrender to the mercy of zabuza it seemed like a good idea at the time looks like a really bad case of being a jōnin my god. where does the lore end? precommitting is the winning plan screaming in kagome screw the rules i have explosives something bad might still happen sometimes you gotta sociopath stabby zabby subsection c of paragraph 9 should include we can weaponize this so hard
Do you really want to start shouting about "Plan Uplift" in front of everybody, including former-Nara-squeeze Minami?
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@Briefvoice In the section on talking to Kei, Noburi, and Kagome, I think Hazou should make it clear that he's not excusing his actions. He was thoughtless with regard to a secret Noburi trusted him with; it was ignorant and irresponsible of him to do so regardless of his reasoning.
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100% disagree with @Cariyaga. The ninja system of keeping secrets is dumb and this is a good opportunity to start working against it
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That's irrelevant. It was disrespectful of Noburi.
[X] Action Plan: Catharsis
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[x] Catharsis
Honestly, the "keep clan secrets" equilibrium most likely partially a holdover from the days when clans were the largest unit to which someone might owe their loyalty. Back then, a clan letting it's secrets be known would have been suicide. In the modern era the equilibrium is likely sustained by the fact that any clan that gives up it's secrets for the good of the Village is still disadvantaged, as by doing so their clan's abilities become common knowledge. Ensuring there are no spies in a clan is much easier than ensuring there are none in an entire village, and the more allies know something the more likely it is to spread to enemies. In addition, Villages are new and I would be willing to bet that at least a few intra-village clan conflicts or clan-village conflicts have taken place. The incentives of the Clan do not match up with the incentives of the Village. Thus clans have a decreased but still extant incentive to keep clan secrets secret, even if it might harm the village.
However, all that said giving out your teammates' secrets without permission is still not okay. Even if we disagree with Noburi about keeping that secret, it should have been his choice.
There also has to be some mechanism by which clan secrets being exposed to a member of the same village gets handled, because it's going to happen when team members have to use them to defend their own lives or those of their teammates or have to use them to accomplish missions of import. That might be marriage into the clan, or simply exchanging favors, depending on the importance of the secret.
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There is no way this will end well.
We should not say this. Period.
This is essentially saying "we acknowledge that what Kagome did was wrong, and the penalty is honestly death, but we don't want this because he's our friend and we would rather protect our friends over seeking justice". This is the wrong message on all accounts.
Kagome will say that Jiraiya would cover it up to protect his position. Which is the truth.
Hazou's fuckup regarding Kabuto wasn't "do or die". It was Hazou not wanting to let Kabuto take advantage of our situation to get secrets. We already had an out. What it would have lost was our bloodline secrets which while bad is not the end of the world at all.
Not an excuse, we already know about bloodline bullshit, apologized for it, and had other plans that emphasized avoiding doing exactly what we did.
So it did occur to us that we should practice OPSEC on her. Hell, we did that when talking about the whole Skywalkers/Akatsuki thing with Jiraiya.
This should not be said, given the situation this would be awkwardly placed for Velorien to write and it could fuck us up later.
Obviously Hazou forgot and/or didn't take the lesson to heart.
Look faflec, the goal here is to come up with an after-the-fact rationalization for doing what he did that makes some sense to the characters involved, including Hazou himself. "I wasn't really a clan kid so this 'secrets' stuff still doesn't come naturally," isn't great, but at least it's an explanation. If you want to replace it with something better, you actually have to suggest something better.
Right now it's that or "I don't know why I did it".
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The excuse is that we're just straight-up bad at OPSEC.
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You'd think that the team would have shut Hazou up as soon as he came up with a plan in front of Minami.
I feel like "I'm bad at OPSEC because I'm taught to be loyal to my village over my clan," plays a lot better than "I'm just straight up bad at OPSEC."
And now you're going to quote with emphasis and italics and underlining some piece of evidence about who that can't possibly be true.... but actually, it doesn't really matter. It's a plausible thing that Hazou might choose to believe in spite of that.
Again, my goal is not to get at the truth or what really happened. It's to construct a plausible narrative that everyone can agree they choose to believe and that makes Hazou look as least-bad as possible. To be non-Rational.
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You aren't sure. It wasn't really a thing you were exposed to while growing up.
I think the explanation you have in there (which I may have suggested) about being bad at OPSEC because we were mono-focused on making sure nobody died works well enough, honestly.
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Hey whatever plan you write will have to be better than my last plan