Personal opinion: They don't have to, they just need to have spies in the civilian hamlets/whatever self-sufficient towns exist in the area.

THe corresponding solution, therefore, is to locate and descend upon the cave system from above, avoiding even the slightest hint of civilian contact, and not leaving said cave system until it's time to leave the region entirely.

That's still like a lot of coverage! How are they getting messages out? Etc.

I agree that we should be doing this all quick as hell from the sky and without anyone seeing us, that's sensible.
 
That's still like a lot of coverage! How are they getting messages out? Etc.

I agree that we should be doing this all quick as hell from the sky and without anyone seeing us, that's sensible.
If they are anything like Jiraiya's network, slowly. They probably have roaming Jashin preachers/Rain ninja going to the villages and collecting messages. It's doable, and in the wake of Hazou's disappearance this sort of activity would likely pick up. But it's still slow.

My biggest worry if we enter the cave is that even if we succeed in infiltration the place is known to us and the Sannin, and may well be known to the very local villages. It would concern me greatly if we got noticed because our killing of the local chakra beasts drove them away to other places to feed, leading to a migration that got noticed by the local villages, and therefore ninja in the area. Like how, at the very beginning of the quest, Kei noted that the apex predators in the Swamp of Death may have been fleeing the deep parts of the swamp due to the emergence of an especially dangerous predator.
 
Personal opinion: They don't have to, they just need to have spies in the civilian hamlets/whatever self-sufficient towns exist in the area.
That's still like a lot of coverage! How are they getting messages out? Etc.

They don't have to be emplaced Akatsuki agents, we're gonna be the most hunted missing-nin is history. Every nation and faction will desperately want to nab us.
Any contact with anyone we don't tracelessly kill is an OPSEC failure. Killing is a semi-failure as "that guy went missing in that area" still suggest an area to investigate.
 
One observes that if we have Mari go missing and leave traces in the ass-end of nowhere else, it would be an effective deterrent for most enemies, who would fully expect her to join her missing Clan Head/leader.
 
They don't have to be emplaced Akatsuki agents, we're gonna be the most hunted missing-nin is history. Every nation and faction will desperately want to nab us.
Any contact with anyone we don't tracelessly kill is an OPSEC failure. Killing is a semi-failure as "that guy went missing in that area" still suggest an area to investigate.
We haven't been declared missing yet... I thought the idea was like, we'd go in the next few days once we meet up with Mari and co. 🗿
 
Before I begin, I would like to say I'm a big fan of the quest, and have enjoyed it quite a bit.

But warning ahead, maybe a bit of salt.
I acknowledge your feelings on this issue, and I'm sorry you're feeling like this. We have done our best to model all of the characters as fairly as possible and on the one occasion that we felt was a bit of a force we made an effort to communicate with the players and be transparent about what was going on. I guess that didn't land for you, which...okay.


Did we get the info about this cave from one of the Orochimaru lootboxes? Sorry, I can't remember.
Not a lootbox per se but yes, you got it from Orochimaru.

Edit: Can we use Scenery Clones to hide Hidden Sky even better?
Note that Scenery Clone Arrays take a snapshot of the area when they are activated and project that image henceforth. This works poorly in dynamic environments where clouds are moving around and the sun is moving across the sky.

Also, @eaglejarl, @Paperclipped or @Velorien, is DoB something that only Hazō can get or could another sealmaster (specifically Kagome) get it too?
DotB Prerequisites: Sealing 20, Primordial Sealing 20, SSA or similar Out-exposure stunt
SSA Prerequisites:Have the Iron Nerve, attempt to download (via reading) a Summoning Scroll, and survive

Mitochondria produce ATP through oxidative phosphorylation, which relies on electron transport chains where electrons are transferred through a series of protein complexes [thereby producing] energy through ATP. No ATP means no active transport of ions (The Na+/K+ ATPase pump uses vast and continuous ATP to maintain the gradient of sodium and potassium ions across the cell membrane), disrupting resting membrane potential and action potential generation in all nerves.

[Therefore, the moment we activate our magical crystal, Ninja Beelzebub dies.]
I love our players so much. Y'all are great.

(NB: Beelzebub is Lucifer's second in command in Christian myth. Referring to Itachi as 'Ninja Beelzebub' is purely for comedy value and does not have any actual informative content.)
 
So like, Naruto basically just wet his pants after Itachi growled firmly at him, right?

I think we should maybe price this in to the inevitable Riftwar showdown. If Itachi can just slam Naruto's PTSD button either by being present or by hitting him with another genjutsu like before (and note, this encounter does not imply to me that Naruto has powerleveled his mental fortitude enough to be able to shrug that off) then that is A Big Fucking Problem. He's like 1/3rd of the combat power we'd bring to the table...

We need to come back with some good stuff so that Orochimaru(potentially Orochimaru x20), Tsunade(potentially Tsunadex20), and the squad of ANBU and Jounin can actually deal with Akatsuki by themselves if need be, because I'm not really sold on Naruto at all right now...
 
So like, Naruto basically just wet his pants after Itachi growled firmly at him, right?

I think we should maybe price this in to the inevitable Riftwar showdown. If Itachi can just slam Naruto's PTSD button either by being present or by hitting him with another genjutsu like before (and note, this encounter does not imply to me that Naruto has powerleveled his mental fortitude enough to be able to shrug that off) then that is A Big Fucking Problem. He's like 1/3rd of the combat power we'd bring to the table...

We need to come back with some good stuff so that Orochimaru(potentially Orochimaru x20), Tsunade(potentially Tsunadex20), and the squad of ANBU and Jounin can actually deal with Akatsuki by themselves if need be, because I'm not really sold on Naruto at all right now...
We should assume that at least one of (Naruto, Orochimaru, Tsunade) is actively working against us in combat to properly be paranoid against Itachi's interference.
 
You are entirely correct that the nervous system is not a collection of wires in its precise functionality. Thank you for the reminder. I had honestly not recalled all that until then.

However, Itachi still instantly dies:

(1) The evolution of the myelin sheathing specifically was a breakthrough in that it increased neural system performance drastically in organisms via insulating the axons. That alone strongly suggests that conductivity and insulation are vital for neurons to function. In addition, that single example shows that even increasing conductivity significantly would similarly disable nerves. This is significant because we can observe a small part of it IRL. So that's a new avenue (incidentally supporting the importance of conductivity and insulation in the nervous system), which is nice, but let's go back to the original:

(2) A precise example of what removing electrical conductivity would do:
Mitochondria produce ATP through oxidative phosphorylation, which relies on electron transport chains where electrons are transferred through a series of protein complexes. This no longer works, since those electrons cannot be transferred. Thus Itachi's cells no longer produce ATP. No ATP means no active transport of ions (The Na+/K+ ATPase pump uses vast and continuous ATP to maintain the gradient of sodium and potassium ions across the cell membrane), disrupting resting membrane potential and action potential generation in all nerves. The moment that happens, Itachi's nerves stop working.
Itachi still becomes an S-Class vegetable.

(3) As a third option, I do not think that the voltage-gated channels would actually open (ignoring the ATP path above) without the voltage gradient changes on the membrane being conducted to the channel. In other terms that gate should not "know" anything about the charge gradient because conductivity is the only way it *can* know (via the voltage sensor regions - either directly or though an electrical field, both of which require electrons to be conducted). Effective removal of physical properties makes things confusing, but here we are. Specifically, without electron movement we should not observe the voltage sensor regions detecting anything, hence all channels remaining closed. Anyway in this case, the same thing happens: Nerves don't work and the bird is dead.

To make a long story short, the nervous system makes use of electrical conductivity on multiple steps of its complicated and interconnected Rube Goldberg machine. If we take away any part of that, the machine no longer works. The above are some examples of specific parts that are being 'taken away', with explanations as to why they'd stop the machine immediately. These are certainly not exhaustive, but sufficient to demonstrate previously claimed capabilities.

I am therefore confident that we can simplify all of this to: "The effective removal of electrical conductivity is incredibly and immediately lethal."

Thank you for coming to my TED Talk.

(As I am not a professional in this field, this is half-remembered book knowledge combined with wikipedia patches. I hope that this longer explanation passes muster, and at least one of the (much higher/much lower) conductivity runes make sense with respect to their intended function.)

Edit: Also, none of the in-depth discussion really matters to Hazo, since he will expect and observe the "bundle of wires" concept in action. The simplified version is sufficient for his purposes.
While I agree that theoretically this could be a problem: What I expect is for the rune to work as Hazou expects it to, because we're making a rune to suit a purpose, and the purpose is "stop explosions" not "stop all people from existing".
 
So like, Naruto basically just wet his pants after Itachi growled firmly at him, right?

I think we should maybe price this in to the inevitable Riftwar showdown. If Itachi can just slam Naruto's PTSD button either by being present or by hitting him with another genjutsu like before (and note, this encounter does not imply to me that Naruto has powerleveled his mental fortitude enough to be able to shrug that off) then that is A Big Fucking Problem. He's like 1/3rd of the combat power we'd bring to the table...

We need to come back with some good stuff so that Orochimaru(potentially Orochimaru x20), Tsunade(potentially Tsunadex20), and the squad of ANBU and Jounin can actually deal with Akatsuki by themselves if need be, because I'm not really sold on Naruto at all right now...
Personal opinion says to just set him on the non-Itachi members; Naruto's weak against Itachi anyway based on how their combat styles match up.
 
So Itachi is incredibly dangerous blah blah blah but he also got basically solo'd by Kurenai at the BotG.

Did he just have the worst hangover in the world that day? Or has he really applied himself since then?
 
How does this work out when Itachi runs over to OHKO him?
He's...not there? I think I am miscommunicating; I am envisioning situations where Leaf, as the aggressors, are able to strategically target Akatsuki members which lets Naruto not aggress against Itachi specifically.

There's also the option of putting Naruto in a genjutsu beforehand, since genjutsu doesn't stack (is this still the case in the new rules?). Which is a special level of dumb, but it's worth bringing up at least.
 
While I agree that theoretically this could be a problem: What I expect is for the rune to work as Hazou expects it to, because we're making a rune to suit a purpose, and the purpose is "stop explosions" not "stop all people from existing".

Yes? The anti-conductivity (whatever we name it) rune is separate from that. The idea came from how combustion might play into the "stop explosion" rune, but this one has nothing to do with stopping explosions in its intent - that's not what I meant anywhere. This is a weapon. A shiny, shiny weapon.

Or did I misunderstand you? It sounded like you noted I was conflating the two, somehow?
 
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So Itachi is incredibly dangerous blah blah blah but he also got basically solo'd by Kurenai at the BotG.

Did he just have the worst hangover in the world that day? Or has he really applied himself since then?
I want add myself to the pile of folks that have underscored this point:

What we saw was one of Kurenai or Itachi performing genjutsu on the other. Genjutsu isn't a Dragonball Z esque beam struggle thing, etc. There is not that much information to be gained from this scene showing up in BotG.

He's...not there? I think I am miscommunicating; I am envisioning situations where Leaf, as the aggressors, are able to strategically target Akatsuki members which lets Naruto not aggress against Itachi specifically.

There's also the option of putting Naruto in a genjutsu beforehand, since genjutsu doesn't stack (is this still the case in the new rules?). Which is a special level of dumb, but it's worth bringing up at least.
47. Don't expect the enemy to cooperate in the creation of your dream engagement.
This fails Maxim 47 pretty thoroughly though. Are we going to bet the farm on that assumption? I don't think that's going to lead to outcomes we're going to like...
 
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I feel bad for saying this but I think that we should be emphasizing spacetime runes so that we can utilize them as a medium to deliver our payloads. That, I think, is a major obstacle we need to overcome to create useful weapons against Akatsuki.
 
I feel bad for saying this but I think that we should be emphasizing spacetime runes so that we can utilize them as a medium to deliver our payloads. That, I think, is a major obstacle we need to overcome to create useful weapons against Akatsuki.

What payloads?
 
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