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...I see this was a good point to catch up to the thread after a few months away.

[X][KAIJU] No. The means by which Dazarel is dominating you isn't raw power; more blastiness is not what you need. Speed will serve you better, in exploiting whatever openings he leaves you.
Speed seems more important for us than power right now.

[X][COUNTER] Fire with fire. You have the largest gathering of magical might in generations right at hand. You can't stand Dandeer, but you can work with her if it means cursing this filthy lizard.

I honestly think this has a better chance of working than going to Gohan. Sorcery is only indirectly related to power level (IIRC), so that seems a better bet than organising the nobles or trying to find more gigatons.
 
[X][COUNTER] Phone a friend. Grandpa Gohan, I need some help here! What do I do?! Get some advice. Get a last-minute divine power-up. Get a technique. Get something! He's a god, he'll have SOMETHING!

[X][KAIJU] No. The means by which Dazarel is dominating you isn't raw power; more blastiness is not what you need. Speed will serve you better, in exploiting whatever openings he leaves you.
 
[X][COUNTER] Phone a friend. Grandpa Gohan, I need some help here! What do I do?! Get some advice. Get a last-minute divine power-up. Get a technique. Get something! He's a god, he'll have SOMETHING!
[X][KAIJU] No. The means by which Dazarel is dominating you isn't raw power; more blastiness is not what you need. Speed will serve you better, in exploiting whatever openings he leaves you.
 
[X][COUNTER] Phone a friend. Grandpa Gohan, I need some help here! What do I do?! Get some advice. Get a last-minute divine power-up. Get a technique. Get something! He's a god, he'll have SOMETHING!

Wouldn't it be just hilarious if we get the answering machine?

I recognise that sorcery is powerful, but it's not where our skills lie. I think our history with Dandeer has too high of a chance at hindering us, considering she's likely to have some authority there. Edit: even though it's not likely to matter, it's still a chance I don't like.

Do we know if the general plan calls for the sorcerers to take their own initiative if things are dire or if they see an opportunity or something wrong that the royals don't? (e.g: what Kakara just noticed about the TK). I get that we can't expect random actors to solve all our problems for us; that would kind of break the RP a bit.
They're presently very focused on maintaining the ward (you get the impression, from asking, that the spell they're casting is A Big Deal), but if they notice anything in and around that, they'll bring it up.
[X][COUNTER] Phone a friend. Grandpa Gohan, I need some help here! What do I do?! Get some advice. Get a last-minute divine power-up. Get a technique. Get something! He's a god, he'll have SOMETHING!
Our experience with tactical coordination isn`t amazing, and I think we can probably pull of a spirit bomb.
[X][KAIJU] No. The means by which Dazarel is dominating you isn't raw power; more blastiness is not what you need. Speed will serve you better, in exploiting whatever openings he leaves you.
Dazarel is a Dragon, and the telekinetic suppression field effect definitely sounds like a quirk to me, and could definitely work through force per area. His deal is brute force, and it probably won`t help. Anyways, it isn`t like they can`t just put a power ball out on there own initiative.

If we try for the spirit bomb, are we allowed to willpowerr push it?
In the RP, Bassoon used a willpower push to achieve more with the giant namekian form, and Cynthia will power pushed to get one of the bulky forms for SSJ2. Can willpower pushes only be used for transformations and power, or can they be used for something like the spirit bomb?
Any attempts at emergency-learning the Genki Dama will necessarily invoke willpower pushes.
...I see this was a good point to catch up to the thread after a few months away.

[X][KAIJU] No. The means by which Dazarel is dominating you isn't raw power; more blastiness is not what you need. Speed will serve you better, in exploiting whatever openings he leaves you.
Speed seems more important for us than power right now.

[X][COUNTER] Fire with fire. You have the largest gathering of magical might in generations right at hand. You can't stand Dandeer, but you can work with her if it means cursing this filthy lizard.

I honestly think this has a better chance of working than going to Gohan. Sorcery is only indirectly related to power level (IIRC), so that seems a better bet than organising the nobles or trying to find more gigatons.
Welcome back!
 
Dazrael can read minds ... and he looks down upon the art of "training one's life force"...

... I don't think he can sense Ki.

.... I think we could Stealth-Bomb him.

[ ][COUNTER] Write-in.
- [ ] Wait for - or create - the dragon's distraction, then multiform, and have your clone get someplace hidden, and broadcast absolutely zero public thoughts. Think as little as possible, in fact. Make sure Dazrael doesn't know of its existence.
- - [ ] Take advantage of the fact that you have both private and public thoughts. Think privately as normal, but publicly act as though you're breaking down , letting private thoughts leak into public- panicky, revealing "secret information" and "secret techniques" and "secret plans to fight the dragon" that you actually make up wholesale. Be as distracting and "distracted" as possible. Dodge a lot, since your PL is gonna be a lot lower, and work outside the TK barrier if possible. And, of course, privately let everyone on your side know that you'll be doing this ahead of time!
- - - [ ] Meanwhile, our clone is going to be charging up the kind of ki attack that could destroy multiple planets, if she wasn't planning to Instant Transmission directly underneath this dragon and fire upwards the moment it was strong enough to do some serious damage and Daz-boy was Daz-tracted again. In short, Piccolo v. Raditz this nonsense, but preferably without shooting anyone else you love in the chest.

... I don't actually think this is a good plan. But I think it could be a good plan, if people smarter than me were willing to take a look at it.
 
[X][KAIJU] No. The means by which Dazarel is dominating you isn't raw power; more blastiness is not what you need. Speed will serve you better, in exploiting whatever openings he leaves you.
 
I hate this, but we have little choice.

He's been pretty much saying what he is doing, so he's obviously not afraid that our knowing will make a difference.

He's done this to other planets before, and doubtless at least a few of them have tried swarming him, so we can't count on that to work. He's demonstrated a casual area blast which would turn any number of lesser warriors into mulch.

Magic might be a game-changer, but Kakara knows nothing about it and thus can't really expect to contribute.

That leaves one option. This thing is old and big. Gohan probably knows lore about it. If there's an insight into beating him that's the place to find it. We'll probably want to stay in humanoid form to keep options open for whatever he recommends.

*sigh*

If we go with Gohan I'll throw my cookie at it. Goodbye cookie...

[X][COUNTER] Phone a friend. Grandpa Gohan, I need some help here! What do I do?! Get some advice. Get a last-minute divine power-up. Get a technique. Get something! He's a god, he'll have SOMETHING!

[x][KAIJU] No. The means by which Dazarel is dominating you isn't raw power; more blastiness is not what you need. Speed will serve you better, in exploiting whatever openings he leaves you.
 
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... I don't actually think this is a good plan. But I think it could be a good plan, if people smarter than me were willing to take a look at it.
Think it's simply too risky.

I really wouldn't bet on Dazarel not being able to sense ki, since he's a giant space dragon that travels from planet to planet in order to eat their inhabitants and absorb their ki, which implies he has some way to sense it, and he also seems to be able to sense that our raw power is higher than his (which he wouldn't necessarily be able to conclude just by fighting us, since he's using his powers and therefore winning).

Secondly, we don't know whether Dazarel's has to specifically focus on targeting people with his power's to do whatever he's doing or whether he's just affecting the area, and if it's the latter the plan wouldn't work at all.

Thirdly, our clone would be half our powerlevel, which is significantly weaker than Dazarel, which would likely make him realize that something is off.
 
[X][COUNTER] Phone a friend. Grandpa Gohan, I need some help here! What do I do?! Get some advice. Get a last-minute divine power-up. Get a technique. Get something! He's a god, he'll have SOMETHING!
[X][KAIJU] No. The means by which Dazarel is dominating you isn't raw power; more blastiness is not what you need. Speed will serve you better, in exploiting whatever openings he leaves you.
[X][COUNTER] Psychic or no, history tells you that even psychics do not have infinite multitasking capabilities. They're still mortal, and they still have meat brains. It's time to call in enough reinforcements to split his focus.
 
[X][COUNTER] Phone a friend. Grandpa Gohan, I need some help here! What do I do?! Get some advice. Get a last-minute divine power-up. Get a technique. Get something! He's a god, he'll have SOMETHING!
[X][KAIJU] No. The means by which Dazarel is dominating you isn't raw power; more blastiness is not what you need. Speed will serve you better, in exploiting whatever openings he leaves you.
[X][COUNTER] Psychic or no, history tells you that even psychics do not have infinite multitasking capabilities. They're still mortal, and they still have meat brains. It's time to call in enough reinforcements to split his focus.

We cannot take both COUNTER actions. Whichever one we choose is the one that we will spend the majority of our focus on. We can't be organizing a hoarde of normal Saiyans while simultaneously visiting Grandpa Gohan.
 

[X][COUNTER] Phone a friend. Grandpa Gohan, I need some help here! What do I do?! Get some advice. Get a last-minute divine power-up. Get a technique. Get something! He's a god, he'll have SOMETHING!

[x][KAIJU] No. The means by which Dazarel is dominating you isn't raw power; more blastiness is not what you need. Speed will serve you better, in exploiting whatever openings he leaves you.
 
[ ][COUNTER] The dragon's big advantage is that the effect is subtle enough to miss. If you make the others aware of it and coordinate with them, you might be able to work around it.
Hrmm this is the basic option, we hope that now that we know what his trick is we can work around it. We can also do the classic "I've figured out your technique" thing where we explain to audience how his powers work.
[ ][COUNTER] Psychic or no, history tells you that even psychics do not have infinite multitasking capabilities. They're still mortal, and they still have meat brains. It's time to call in enough reinforcements to split his focus.
This might work, but I'm not sure if what hes doing is targeted or just an area effect, like effectively turning up the gravity with TK. If its an area thing more people won't help, also if we bring people in we are going to get casualties, at the power disparity its just inevitable, and I'm not sure how Kakara would handle that in the long run, but in the short run I would think badly.
[ ][COUNTER] Fire with fire. You have the largest gathering of magical might in generations right at hand. You can't stand Dandeer, but you can work with her if it means cursing this filthy lizard.
This has merit, we know alot of Exile Sorcery is based on sealing, and I'm sure this much magical might could manage to seal SOMETHING about the dragon. However two points against it are 1. It would weaken the Ward containing this mess and 2. Dandeer, which if this option works gets ALOT of credit for saving the day, and all of that will be used to hurt us, ALL OF IT.
[ ][COUNTER] Phone a friend. Grandpa Gohan, I need some help here! What do I do?! Get some advice. Get a last-minute divine power-up. Get a technique. Get something! He's a god, he'll have SOMETHING!
The mystery box option, that might let us pull a surprise Spirit Bomb out of nowhere, or something similarly amazing. But its the High Risk options, nothing feels better that rolling that Nat 20 in a clutch moment, but nothing feels worse then effectively wasting your turn when you roll anything less then the 19 you needed for this to work. Honestly I leaning this way, just cuz I really like pulling out these sorts of Hail Mary actions, but its a BIG risk.
[ ][COUNTER] Willpower push. Last-minute power-ups are traditional, right?
Do you want to get Super Saiyan 2's? Cuz this is how you get Super Saiyan 2's!

[ ][KAIJU] No. The means by which Dazarel is dominating you isn't raw power; more blastiness is not what you need. Speed will serve you better, in exploiting whatever openings he leaves you.
[ ][KAIJU] Yes. Dazarel might be rendering your strength irrelevant more than directly contesting it, but monkey firepower is big firepower. If he slips even for a moment, a big damn blast should hurt him just like normal.

It depends, if we're going with option 1 or 2 I'd say pop Oozaru again, I think it'll be better for Teamwork with the other Nobles, and for blocking if we bring in troops. Otherwise stay small and fast to run interference for the mages or for our hail mary play.
 
So, right.

I wouldn't count on teamwork being able to work through it's interference (since, as @Lailoken's said, it's done this to dozens of other planets before), and even if it could, Berra, Yammar and Grandma are all more experienced and thus more likely to figure out a trick.

Same goes for the sorcerers, the three other Super Saiyans could contact them as well, and at least Berra would likely have a better chance of getting along with Dandeer.

Contacting Gohan, on the other hand, is something only we can do, and if there is some sort of trick to beating this thing, I think Gohan's more likely to know/figure it out than we are.

[X][COUNTER] Phone a friend. Grandpa Gohan, I need some help here! What do I do?! Get some advice. Get a last-minute divine power-up. Get a technique. Get something! He's a god, he'll have SOMETHING!

[X][KAIJU] No. The means by which Dazarel is dominating you isn't raw power; more blastiness is not what you need. Speed will serve you better, in exploiting whatever openings he leaves you.
 
[X][COUNTER] Phone a friend. Grandpa Gohan, I need some help here! What do I do?! Get some advice. Get a last-minute divine power-up. Get a technique. Get something! He's a god, he'll have SOMETHING!
[X][KAIJU] No. The means by which Dazarel is dominating you isn't raw power; more blastiness is not what you need. Speed will serve you better, in exploiting whatever openings he leaves you.
[X][COUNTER] Psychic or no, history tells you that even psychics do not have infinite multitasking capabilities. They're still mortal, and they still have meat brains. It's time to call in enough reinforcements to split his focus.

We cannot take both COUNTER actions. Whichever one we choose is the one that we will spend the majority of our focus on. We can't be organizing a hoarde of normal Saiyans while simultaneously visiting Grandpa Gohan.
Approval voting. That's valid.
I hate this, but we have little choice.

He's been pretty much saying what he is doing, so he's obviously not afraid that our knowing will make a difference.

He's done this to other planets before, and doubtless at least a few of them have tried swarming him, so we can't count on that to work. He's demonstrated a casual area blast which would turn any number of lesser warriors into mulch.

Magic might be a game-changer, but Kakara knows nothing about it and thus can't really expect to contribute.

That leaves one option. This thing is old and big. Gohan probably knows lore about it. If there's an insight into beating him that's the place to find it. We'll probably want to stay in humanoid form to keep options open for whatever he recommends.

*sigh*

If we go with Gohan I'll throw my cookie at it. Goodbye cookie...

[X][COUNTER] Phone a friend. Grandpa Gohan, I need some help here! What do I do?! Get some advice. Get a last-minute divine power-up. Get a technique. Get something! He's a god, he'll have SOMETHING!

[x][KAIJU] No. The means by which Dazarel is dominating you isn't raw power; more blastiness is not what you need. Speed will serve you better, in exploiting whatever openings he leaves you.
*blink*

Noted. I'll mark it down.
 
[X][KAIJU] No. The means by which Dazarel is dominating you isn't raw power; more blastiness is not what you need. Speed will serve you better, in exploiting whatever openings he leaves you.
Speed seems more important for us than power right now.

[X][COUNTER] Phone a friend. Grandpa Gohan, I need some help here! What do I do?! Get some advice. Get a last-minute divine power-up. Get a technique. Get something! He's a god, he'll have SOMETHING!
 
[X][COUNTER] Phone a friend. Grandpa Gohan, I need some help here! What do I do?! Get some advice. Get a last-minute divine power-up. Get a technique. Get something! He's a god, he'll have SOMETHING!
[X][KAIJU] No. The means by which Dazarel is dominating you isn't raw power; more blastiness is not what you need. Speed will serve you better, in exploiting whatever openings he leaves you.
[X][COUNTER] Fire with fire. You have the largest gathering of magical might in generations right at hand. You can't stand Dandeer, but you can work with her if it means cursing this filthy lizard.
[X][COUNTER] Willpower push. Last-minute power-ups are traditional, right?

Well with approval voting I think I'll go like this. I was already leaning toward Gohan and staying small and fast, so I'll throw those up first. As to the rest, I'm against bringing in troops on the grounds that some of them would likely die and Kakara dealing with being the one who called them in isn't something I personally like, besides better to save the Kakara leading an army scene for Tamar's invasion I think. On the other hand the fall out from dealing with Dandeer getting a big win or our ascension to SSJ2 could both be very interesting, though in vastly different ways, so I'll include them even though both those options seem unlikely to win.

But I really want to write an Omake about someone on the sidelines watching Kakara seem to freeze after getting up, musing on how maybe this is a bit much to expect of a 13 year old even a Scion. Then Kakara throws her hands up and start forming a Spirit Bomb and pretty much everyone just throws up their hands and is like "Oh ok never mind she's just gonna recreate a lost legendary technique in 30 seconds under live fire conditions...business as usual"
 
And then the dragon uses TK to throw off our aim and we hit Dandeer. Damn that overgrown lizard!

Edit: I was going to say that Yammar would spontaneosly combust from looking at the spirit bomb but GMG is above such petty things.
 
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[X][COUNTER] Phone a friend. Grandpa Gohan, I need some help here! What do I do?! Get some advice. Get a last-minute divine power-up. Get a technique. Get something! He's a god, he'll have SOMETHING!
[X][KAIJU] No. The means by which Dazarel is dominating you isn't raw power; more blastiness is not what you need. Speed will serve you better, in exploiting whatever openings he leaves you.
[X][COUNTER] Fire with fire. You have the largest gathering of magical might in generations right at hand. You can't stand Dandeer, but you can work with her if it means cursing this filthy lizard.
 
[X][COUNTER] Fire with fire. You have the largest gathering of magical might in generations right at hand. You can't stand Dandeer, but you can work with her if it means cursing this filthy lizard.
[X][KAIJU] No. The means by which Dazarel is dominating you isn't raw power; more blastiness is not what you need. Speed will serve you better, in exploiting whatever openings he leaves you.
 
What if we trap its mind in our mind using the Ki backed thoughts. Rather than a defense, an outright weapon.

Alternatively, Willpower push for Spirit Bomb?
 
I think we're on approval voting, right?
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[X][COUNTER] Psychic or no, history tells you that even psychics do not have infinite multitasking capabilities. They're still mortal, and they still have meat brains. It's time to call in enough reinforcements to split his focus.

I've been favoring this one for a while. Massed barrages of Kienzans and Makankosappos are a threat credible enough that he at least has to honor them, and they buy time. We almost certainly have enough 15-30 million level mooks that we can afford to lose a bunch, especially since the nastiest threat we face in the near future isn't a "we need lots of mighty warriors" threat so much as a "we need lots of mediocre warriors and a few pretty good ones" threat.
This also lets us leverage our Command Training, which is one of the few skills we probably exceed the other royals in.

Then again, casualties and the dragon may be pretty good at crowd-fighting and area suppression given its background as a world-eater. I'm starting to waver on this one.

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[X][COUNTER] Fire with fire. You have the largest gathering of magical might in generations right at hand. You can't stand Dandeer, but you can work with her if it means cursing this filthy lizard.

This is my second favorite. My main fear is that Dandeer, personally, will try to backstab us somehow, even if it means destroying the world.

My smaller fear is that Dazarel, who had some time to read our mind unopposed, may reveal to Dandeer secrets we urgently don't want known, either as a last "fuck you" in the event that we win, or because he has nigh-unlimited intel on us all. The main factor that makes me doubt that this actually happening is that Dazarel appears to regard us as irrelevant vermin, and is probably far too arrogant to devote any time to ferreting out the petty intrigues of a bunch of beings it plans to eat.

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[X][KAIJU] No. The means by which Dazarel is dominating you isn't raw power; more blastiness is not what you need. Speed will serve you better, in exploiting whatever openings he leaves you.

Monkey firepower is big firepower, but not THAT big; it punches 4/3 times as hard as FPSS, and it's actively slower than the dragon as opposed to being actively faster. The entire problem is that with psychic telekinesis, Dazarel can slow us down. So badly that he's able to tear us apart if we give him much more time to do it.

Countering that with a brutally powerful but slow form isn't going to cut it- or rather, if it would,

... No? No we can't. We are fighting all out- with Golden Oozaru, 1.5b apparently. He is 900m. If we multiformed we'd be maybe... 300~m? per clone.
We can have a Golden Oozaru clone and a base saiyan clone. Or, theoretically, a FPSS clone and a regular oozaru clone, but that would be stupid.

He's done this to other planets before, and doubtless at least a few of them have tried swarming him, so we can't count on that to work. He's demonstrated a casual area blast which would turn any number of lesser warriors into mulch.
I'm thinking you might be right and it's partly swayed me, not QUITE enough to flip votes, if only because I've been fooled before by sudden bursts of paranoia. ;)

What if we trap its mind in our mind using the Ki backed thoughts. Rather than a defense, an outright weapon.
It's better at mind war than we are, almost certainly.

Alternatively, Willpower push for Spirit Bomb?
We're seriously considering it, but it's a gamble and we don't know the odds of success.

Honestly it's probably just as well we didn't learn the Spirit Bomb, because it would probably know to expect it and blast us every time we stood still with our arms stretched to the heavens. It would just be another way to get our asses kicked.
 
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Wait...It's a psychic, that means brain. And it can't punch us out with its brain if it CONCUSSED. Failing that, it can't punch us with its brain if its senses are overwhelmed.

I think a good move to use here might legit be a mass Solar Flare.
 
Wait...It's a psychic, that means brain. And it can't punch us out with its brain if it CONCUSSED. Failing that, it can't punch us with its brain if its senses are overwhelmed.

I think a good move to use here might legit be a mass Solar Flare.
Concussion and distraction will happen no matter what.
Mitsuba describes being blinded as a inconvience, not a problem, and the dragon likely has psychic senses and an adequate ki sense. It seems unlikely that blinding will be anything more than a phasing attack. Maybe use it once to prevent a quick response to a real threat?
 
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