fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
[x] Yes.
Saw that there are no write ins allowed.
Saw that there are no write ins allowed.
Dragon Ball: After the End
- Location
- Somewhere I shouldn't be
When we go FPSSJ, he's gonna regret his request.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
He already is.
- Location
- Somewhere I shouldn't be
I mean a lot more.
We could hospitalize him by breathing wrong. No amount of skill can overcome that. There'd have to be a significant situational condition, too.
Bakkasama
There is always a greater fool
- Location
- Buenos Aires, Argentina
- Pronouns
- He/his
Kakara: This isn't even my final form!
*Performs multiform. Goes Golden Oozaru*Tabe: WHYYYYY!?!
*Multiform clone gives her power to GO. Reaches SS2 PL*
Kakara: Behold the full power of...!:lol
*SNAP! Wards crash*
Maya (from afar): Eeep!
WHAT IS THAT!*Everyone glares at Kakara*
Kakara: ...
Tabe: ...
Kakara: ...Damn it Tabe!
Look what you made me do!Tabe: What
Kakara: Come and take your punishment like a man!
Tabe: WHYYYYY!?!!
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Him winning isnt the point.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
If we say No then we should just say "The wards can't handle my full power."
Bakkasama
There is always a greater fool
- Location
- Buenos Aires, Argentina
- Pronouns
- He/his
The wards can stand up to a ss2 level of power before snapping. That would give the wrong impression.
Besides, nobody expects the giant rage monkey. Too much of a risk of someone in the stands turning oozaru by accident.
- Location
- Somewhere I shouldn't be
At FPSSJ Golden Great Ape, we strain the wards to the point of breaking. We cannot go to our maximum power without breaking the wards, because Golden Great Ape DOES approach the same raw power as SSJ2.
And Golden Great Ape isn't even close to secret within the Exile community.
- Location
- Scotland
Jut in case anyone cares here is the rest of the Questions from the Sayain Q and A done sometime
Question 7, about Saibamen.
Question 4, about whether Saiyans train.
Question 6, about Saiyan technology.
Question 10, about becoming strong like Saiyans.
Questions 1, 2, and 8, about Saiyan diet, problems, and whether or not they have holidays.
Question 7, about Saibamen.
Question 4, about whether Saiyans train.
Question 6, about Saiyan technology.
Question 10, about becoming strong like Saiyans.
Questions 1, 2, and 8, about Saiyan diet, problems, and whether or not they have holidays.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Vote closed.
...I am simultaneously thrilled that we do in fact have that many people aboard, weirded out by the fact that they're otherwise generally silent, and annoyed that this mess is what brought them out. Whatever.
[X] Yes.
Our winner. Let us all agree to never speak of this again.
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##### NetTally 1.9.8
[x] Yes.
No. of Votes: 40
[X] No.
No. of Votes: 21
Total No. of Voters: 61
##### NetTally 1.9.8
[x] Yes.
No. of Votes: 40
Versharl
anailater
Ando Owen
Astaroh-M
Bakkasama
Beholderofwords
Blonddude42
Cariyaga
Carrnage
Conceptualist
Ct613hulu
ctulhuslp
Death and Faxes
Deathbybunnies
Doomed Wombat
Drasizard
Epicrandom
fictionfan
Ghostdevil
jy3
KnightDisciple
Loktarogar
mithril-blade
pianoman
Quest
RideTheWalrus
Ridiculously Average Guy
Simon_Jester
Tarantio
Tensiv
Terrabrand
The Fourth Monado
Toad
Varano
veekie
WadeSwiftly
wingstrike96
XkaliburRage
Yorick's Skull
zephraim
anailater
Ando Owen
Astaroh-M
Bakkasama
Beholderofwords
Blonddude42
Cariyaga
Carrnage
Conceptualist
Ct613hulu
ctulhuslp
Death and Faxes
Deathbybunnies
Doomed Wombat
Drasizard
Epicrandom
fictionfan
Ghostdevil
jy3
KnightDisciple
Loktarogar
mithril-blade
pianoman
Quest
RideTheWalrus
Ridiculously Average Guy
Simon_Jester
Tarantio
Tensiv
Terrabrand
The Fourth Monado
Toad
Varano
veekie
WadeSwiftly
wingstrike96
XkaliburRage
Yorick's Skull
zephraim
[X] No.
No. of Votes: 21
Total No. of Voters: 61
...I am simultaneously thrilled that we do in fact have that many people aboard, weirded out by the fact that they're otherwise generally silent, and annoyed that this mess is what brought them out. Whatever.
[X] Yes.
Our winner. Let us all agree to never speak of this again.
- Location
- Somewhere I shouldn't be
Speak of what? I've not been reading the thread much for the past 15 pages or so.
In other words, agreed.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Amazing how a vote with no write-ins generated so much discussion.
Bakkasama
There is always a greater fool
- Location
- Buenos Aires, Argentina
- Pronouns
- He/his
Say, since our Ki manipulation will hit exceptional this year, that means that to become exceptional at combat we have to reach exceptional in hand-to-hand, which requires training either crowd fighting or team fighting to exceptional, right?
I don't believe that's required, but it certainly helps. It's a toss up which would be more useful, though if we have the time*, I'd suggest getting both.
*Hah!
- Location
- USA
Poptart what are you talking about? What did we even vote on?
Bakkasama
There is always a greater fool
- Location
- Buenos Aires, Argentina
- Pronouns
- He/his
You might be right. I think that it was mentioned somewhere than to raise hand to hand to exceptional you needed to raise two of the three categories there but Dad is merely competent at team and crowd fightingand is still exceptional at hand to hand. Then again, his Elite dueling talent makes his crowd fighting count as higher. Then he is an exceptional fighter with only talented ki manipulation but there is the fact he mastered a style.
Still, for all that Kakara is only talented at team fighting... it might actually be possible that we are the best of the remaining super saiyans in that branch of fighting depending how Yammar and Apra specced. I believe it was hinted somewhere that Apra was about ki manipulation though Yammar might know about the subject since he put down the Talt Rebellion fighting alonside Vegeta and the Senzus, I guess.
* Thinks about the vision of four GO fighting the dragon*
We are fucked, aren't we?
Bakkasama
There is always a greater fool
- Location
- Buenos Aires, Argentina
- Pronouns
- He/his
I don't think so? Wards can't withstand the full might of GO and while we can control our SS boost so that our PL is lower than the limit, that goes against the spirit of the agreement.
rkyeun
Cabbitus Maximus
- Location
- ◕ ‿‿ ◕
Then... we have to say no on the grounds that we literally can't meet his request either, because we're not allowed to put the entire world at risk by rolling up to a billion and change.
Edit: Unless we have some way to supercharge the wards? Or hide our ki so even though we're actually at something ridiculous it won't LOOK that way?
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I train it directly. Or, presumably, raising a skill to Elite like Berra did counts as well.
Bakkasama
There is always a greater fool
- Location
- Buenos Aires, Argentina
- Pronouns
- He/his
Or we could fight at FPSS. For comparison's sake lets use our base cap as a unit.
Base: 375 millon: 1 base
FPSS: 3 base
Oozaru: 2 base PL with 1 base speed and 3 base strength and durability.
GO: 4 base PL with 2 base speed and 6 base strength and durability.
GO+MF: 5 base PL, 2.5 base speed and 7.5 strength and durability.
SS2 (just transformed): 5 base.
GO is stronger than FPSS but unlike with Oozaru and base form, in which the speed remains the same, GO is slower so it might not be best in this instance. I mean, lets assume that Tabe knows kaioken and oozaru.
TPL: 15 millon
TOPL: 30M PL, 15 M speed and 45 M strength and durability.
Now, lets assume that he is as profficient with kaioken as Goku was and can use x10 on his base with a burst of x20.That means that, in his normal form he could fight at 0.4 Base with a burst of 0.8 Base, which might actually be doable as a fight because of his style bonuses and willpower pushes if we don't turn SS.
If he turns Oozaru, however, he can withstand higher levels of Kaioken. Now, let's assume it adds three times the kaioken tolerance just to be safe, though we don't know how much it really is other than more than twice. Could be more, could be less. In that case though, it would fight at x30 with a burst of x60.
That makes 900M (a bit more than 2.5 base) with a burst of 1800M(a bit more than 5 base). However, as oozaru, that makes a speed of 450M (a bit lower than 1.25 base) and 900M with strenght of 1350M and 2400M.
This means that, if we fight him as GO when he fights as Oozaru, then while we would be stronger and faster, in case of a small burst of kaioken times 60, he would overtake us in both areas. However, if we fight him as FPSS, we would always be faster than him. This is because, since in monkey form our speed is half our PL, big differences in PL are not that significant when it comes to speed.
That main issue here then would be that we would have troubles with his increased durability. But with a kaioken x30 his durability is around 1350M which is the same PL our kikoho reaches when charged with life force. So even as oozaru on steroids, we can safely attack him three times with it (besides the death by a thousand cuts weaker attacks can cause) which together with a willpower push (at which we have a monster of a bonus) and our speed, IT and flight ability for repositioning, we should have a very good chance to throw him out of the ring.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
He may have gone out of his way to specifically train the "super-skills" up; Poptart was talking about how much it would take to make those skills level up automatically.
Bakkasama
There is always a greater fool
- Location
- Buenos Aires, Argentina
- Pronouns
- He/his
Perhaps. Though in that case, we might want to consider if we want to be merely Talented at hand to hand, if we want to train it specifically or if we want to specialize in team fighting or crowd fighting as a way to level it.
Onto another topic, I was thinking about what Jaffur said about getting the oozaru form used to super saiyan. I think that, mechanically, he meant to make the super saiyan boost separate from the oozaru body mechanics and make it a flat increase like with the human body. For reference, this is how GO currently works:
If the super saiyan boost become unaffected by the oozaru body limitation and instead acts as a flat increase all around, it would become:
FPGO: 4 base PL, 3 base speed and 5 base strength and durability.
As opposed to
FPSS: 3 Base everything
GO: 4 base PL, 2 Base speed and 6 base strength and durability.
SS2: 5 base everything.
Which would make it less durable and with less physical strength than the current GO BUT it would make it as fast as a FPSS and it would still have the physical strength and durability of a SS2 and the same PL as the current GO. Which means than instead of trading speed for PL and strength, it would become just a flat increase of PL and strength and durability over FPSS, which would make it more useful in a fight if with slightly less tankiness.
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- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
We are strongly incentivized to develop both Team Fighting (since we're planning to use Multiform to fight as a team of 'me, myself, and I') and Crowd Fighting (since most of the time, we are far more likely to encounter multiple weaker individuals than single individuals of greater or equal power)