fictionfan
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Easy solution we make sure our husband knows how to use Multiform as well.
Dragon Ball: After the End
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Looks like Android 18 to me. Does this mean Machine Sense and All is One are now the same thing?Completely unrelated to the topic but... here is Kakara in a couple of years:
Given that our attention isn't actually being split but instead is multiplied, this is only possible if the person is fundamentally misunderstanding the technique.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Based on the Xenoverse sameface, the thread has unilaterally decided that Kakara looks exactly like 18 of the same age.
Divine Ki may be off the table, but if we can jump out of our Solar System we could potentially train up to SS2 and our Golden Oozuru form.
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We'd want to jump WAY out of our solar system, like... across the galaxy. Or farther.
Firstly, if the SSJ2 power signature flares anywhere near Garenhuld, it is likely that the Enemy or his agents will scout the surrounding area thoroughly enough to find Garenhuld. He's not going to give up that easily.
Secondly, if an SSJ2 power signature flares anywhere in the galaxy, it is likely to alert the Enemy that saiyan survivors exist... somewhere. This will lead to heightened vigilance, searches that may well use unknown means and tools at his disposal including powerful magic, and so on.
Plus, there is a fair amount of pre-existing fanart for Android 18 (obviously), so it is a LOT easier to just copy-pasta Eighteen's face on things or use art of Eighteen in specific situations, rather than creating entire original artworks. It's... representational rather than realistic, but then that's hardly unheard of. It's not like there aren't countless paintings of real or mythical women that use a stand-in model to pose for the real person.
Firstly, if the SSJ2 power signature flares anywhere near Garenhuld, it is likely that the Enemy or his agents will scout the surrounding area thoroughly enough to find Garenhuld. He's not going to give up that easily.
Secondly, if an SSJ2 power signature flares anywhere in the galaxy, it is likely to alert the Enemy that saiyan survivors exist... somewhere. This will lead to heightened vigilance, searches that may well use unknown means and tools at his disposal including powerful magic, and so on.
My impression is that Xenoverse has a fixed array of "face" options; there's no such thing as "looks enough like Android Eighteen to be her granddaughter, but not her clone" in the game as I understand it. Am I mistaken?
Plus, there is a fair amount of pre-existing fanart for Android 18 (obviously), so it is a LOT easier to just copy-pasta Eighteen's face on things or use art of Eighteen in specific situations, rather than creating entire original artworks. It's... representational rather than realistic, but then that's hardly unheard of. It's not like there aren't countless paintings of real or mythical women that use a stand-in model to pose for the real person.
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- Rockford, USA
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- They/Them
Oh, did you draw this?Completely unrelated to the topic but... here is Kakara in a couple of years:
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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[x] Choosing is for chumps. Multiform!
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I think, this time, I'm voting...
[X] Yes, please!
I just noticed this comment, and it would seem so. After all, ALL is one.
I don't know if you ever read Watchmen, but there was a scene portraying Silk Spectre's declining relationship with Doctor Manhattan where she was, among other things, very much not comfortable with the idea that Doctor Manhattan could be with her in bed and working on some weird particle physics experiment at the same time. That's an extreme example, but I think it's an instructive one.
Explaining to people how logically being with one of your multiform clones is just as good as being with 100% of you isn't always going to make them happy or reassure them.
[X] Yes, please!
I just noticed this comment, and it would seem so. After all, ALL is one.
I'm talking about how people feel, not just what they are.
I don't know if you ever read Watchmen, but there was a scene portraying Silk Spectre's declining relationship with Doctor Manhattan where she was, among other things, very much not comfortable with the idea that Doctor Manhattan could be with her in bed and working on some weird particle physics experiment at the same time. That's an extreme example, but I think it's an instructive one.
Explaining to people how logically being with one of your multiform clones is just as good as being with 100% of you isn't always going to make them happy or reassure them.
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KnightDisciple
Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.
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Or, and stay with me here, or, we consciously choose not to multiform when spending time with our spouse. We give them undivided attention in all meanings of the word "undivided".
Just a thought.
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I think that's not quite an exact match to our situation - Manhatten IS splitting his attention, he's just basically omniscient; whichever Kakara you're with is an entire, self-contained person, to the point where they prank one another. Multiform is a reasonably well-understood technique, instead of a weird surprise like Dr M, and finally people have weird hangups about romance in general.
Basically, I think it's pretty likely it's not a problem, and I'd at least want to wait for someone to mention it before assuming the worst and limiting ourselves unnecessarily. Especially since if it is a problem, the expected outcome is for someone to bring it up, rather than jumping to being super offended.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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But Multiform doesn't divide our attention and if they know Multiform they will understand that.
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KnightDisciple
Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.
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Mmm. I see. We're correct, and if they disagree they "just don't understand". After all we are Correct. If you disagree, you're Wrong.
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Okay, that's fair, but at the same time, I want to respect the issue a bit, and maybe play Kakara as a person who uses Multiform often but not literally all the time.
"Attention" may not be the right word for what I'm talking about here. "Presence," maybe, or something along those lines. It's as much metaphysical and emotional as it is about the extent of Kakara's powers.
Or, to look at it another way, if you're constantly dealing with a Multiformed Kakara and you know this, you always have to ask yourself "Am I the most important thing she's dealing with right now? Or am I in second place? Third? Fourth? If she couldn't clone herself would I even be worth her time?"
People think like this. In some cases, it won't matter (e.g. if we're acting in our capacity as Scion to address some political issue with one body, studying for a test with another, and experimenting with some kind of energy blast technique with a third). In others it will (e.g. if our friends or loved ones start to wonder if we'd make any time for them if it weren't for our Multiform letting us cram 72 hours into a day).
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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You might as well ask if someone would have time for you if they only had 8 hours in their day.
KnightDisciple
Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.
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"I know my face is in this smartphone all the time but I promise I'm completely paying attention to you. Nothing is more important to me than you."
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- The Great Beyond
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- He/She/They
... Yes, and? If the answer is 'no', that tells you they are a lower priority for you. Not, inherently, a bad thing, but I can't imagine I would feel very loved by someone telling me 'yeah, my love, you are the thirty second highest priority I've got! There are hundreds, no, thousands of things less important to me than you!' as that, you know, tells me there are thirty one nebulous things more important to them than me.
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- Rockford, USA
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- They/Them
In hindsight, I might have made this vote a little more compelling. :lol
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Yes, that's how objective fact works. If I tell you 2+2=4 and you disagree, you're wrong. No amount of implying I'm being unreasonable will change this, and I would invite you to look up how
Sure, and meanwhile I'm not willing to give up possible social interaction for unlikely minor offense not even hinted at in the text, because our action economy is such that if we don't grab every available opportunity we'll just miss out entirely, because the sad truth is that in reality we wouldn't be spending this time with them without it because we're the Scion and there's always another crisis.
Besides, we've been doing exactly this for years without giving offense, it's just never come up as an explicit vote in an event.
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Not a fair comparison, we aren't literally splitting our attention, we're adding extra attention capacity. Each body is 100% Kakara, to the point where they interact with each other.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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If you had given 4 things to do it might have been a tough vote.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Just because the split is Banarch-Tarski, doesn't mean there isn't a split.
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The one with the spheres? Are you calling Kakara fat?
More seriously though, this whole issue feels like it has been invented from whole cloth. We've had no indications that this is a thing, and frankly the correct answer to the question if ever posed is "I split into more than two bodies, and as important to me as you are you aren't so important I'd be willing not to have multiple other friends to keep you when they've done nothing wrong."
If they can't accept that then I'd honestly just not hang out with the person in question. Having had the situation explained to them, any discomfort is a problem on their end, not ours. Why should we make our life measurably worse to salve their ego?
KnightDisciple
Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.
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I'm not convinced there won't be negative impacts on our relationships if we run Multi-Form 24/7. Especially if we aren't doing prep for an immediate crisis.
No amount of condescension about how it's totally okay will change my mind.
No amount of condescension about how it's totally okay will change my mind.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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I'm sorry your mind is so fixed.