I would like to add something. A pacifist style is fine, and it fits our character, but we should add... pieces, or maybe a sub-style, to it that we can switch into fairly easily for full offence. For when we just need to end something. Because that will happen. And it did happen to Gohan, who's basically the posterboy for pacifistic saiyajin, so its not like it wouldn't be out of left field completely for us to make sure we have something offensive up our sleeve.
Dragon Ball: After the End
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This has been pointed out before, I believe.
I fully agree.
Any pacifist style will NEED a quick (preferably non-lethal) takedown method - something which drops a single enemy and makes them a non-threat. Ideally, there should be at least 2 methods, with a backup method for each (because the opposition WILL resist, and a single technique is a single point-of-failure). One of those methods should be completely nonl-lethal (with a 'less-lethal-as-practical' backup) and the other should be utterly over-kill lethal (like Jaffur's Apocalypse Beam). For day-to-day stuff, you can wear your opponent down battering your defenses, then capture when practical. When stuff hits the fan, you can move to an immediate take-down. When Cell (or Buu, or the equivalent) shows up, you pull out the insta-frag.
I'd bet a Special Beam Cannon would make an effective Instant Transmission attack - our 'insta-frag' could be as simple as a SBC to the back of the head, or a destructo-disc from immediately below.
For less-lethal takedowns, that Ki Blocking would be nifty. Failing that, a Full Nelson, maybe?
Kairos123
Insomniac Extraordinaire
She doesn't need an argument. She need only lie convincingly.
You seem to be fundamentally misunderstanding the problem. She doesn't need to walk in and make a convincing argument breaking down her train of logic. She only has to come sufficiently distressed that Berra considers humoring her. A quick, "just to put your mind at ease, I'll talk to her." Or she must push much the same buttons as she did last time.
I hope you both are advocating making it a future, far-off goal rather than an immediate one. Yeah, mastering different styles can cover holes in their form, but:
- It has us focusing multiple actions on something Kakara has trouble with, that actively stresses her out.
- It completely neglects the possible ki techniques we could incorporate into the style. In the same way that Goku style focuses of IT, Kamehameha, and Solar Flare, Kakara's should use whatever neat tricks she comes up with.
- We have so much currently going on, that any action spent this way has to be weighed against the other options.
I'm fine with a pacifist style so long as it is either brutally effective or she has a sufficiently trained backup style that is more lethal. Though I would argue against over-committing to this. It's not something we'll need immediately, so we should take it slow. Holding off on creating a new style until we have some new techniques, a good foundation in other styles, and Saiyan society isn't about to erupt in civil war seems like our best bet.
[X] ...roll with it. Okay, let's see how thisturns out. When did this happen, and why were you not informed?
[X] Business as usual. This is awkward. People are blushing. Sophie is obviously crushing. Ready the cannons, because you've got yourself someammunition to spend. Tease everybody present! Tease them right this instant!
[X] Business as usual. This is awkward. People are blushing. Sophie is obviously crushing. Ready the cannons, because you've got yourself someammunition to spend. Tease everybody present! Tease them right this instant!
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- Rockford, USA
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- They/Them
Turtle, actually, but flight is there to enhance the effectiveness of the focus on death by a thousand cuts by introducing an element of maneuverability. It was Bricca Talt's key contribution to the style, what she used to really bring it into the modern age. Bear in mind that these styles are based on their founders, but aren't my interpretation of their exact styles. This is three centuries of bored Saiyans tinkering with them later.
All of those are perfectly correct, if I may very carefully comment on exactly what I've quoted above and absolutely nothing else.
Another of Bricca Talt's contributions, in that she figured out how to perform it without the totem. It involves a weird dimension of spirituality, but it works.
Oh, that's not Jaffur's utterly overkill technique. You haven't seen that one yet.
If we've learned all the styles at that point, which Aranfan plans on, there's plenty of thing we could change into (now, personally, I think mastering every style
Dandeer's not the only one who can guilt trip Berra, though. I mean, if Berra demands to read our mind, we could act (well, I don't necessarily think it'd have to be an act) outraged that he wants to violate our thoughts again just because of some baseless suspicion of Dandeer and still doesn't trust us and/or childishly refuse to let our mind be read unless he extracts all information Dandeer has regarding Jaffur, Lord Vegeta and the Sealing. Neither option would be suspicious, and both could likely convince him not to read our mind.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
I want at most one or two actions a turn on it. Anything more is cutting into other priorities too much.
Bakkasama
There is always a greater fool
- Location
- Buenos Aires, Argentina
- Pronouns
- He/his
No, I am pretty sure Flight was crane style originally. Tienshinhan and Chiatsu knew it back in the 22nd world tournament. Goku was the first turtle style user that used that technique and that was during the fight with Piccolo on the 23rd martial arts tournament after training with Kami.
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- Rockford, USA
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- They/Them
No, I mean Yamcha's style is a Turtle School Style. Your phrasing implied you thought it was Crane. But yeah, flight makes no special appearance for Tien because the style has evolved a bit over time and the Exiles thought it was extraneous.
- Location
- Australia
This style needs a ki/stamina drain technique to be viable. I'd also prefer to get started on working towards Vegito style. Getting that would be pretty cool and buy Kakara quite a bit of political clout.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Interesting. I wonder why Dad has recently increased his interest in the Yamcha style.
Any Paci-Fist style should already have an offense built in. We're idealistic not stupid, given how Saiyans fight, dodging or blocking everything will lead to obscene collateral damage. I'm thinking more of a style which speaks of our ideals, striking only when struck, turning their own force against them.
Of course, successfully grabbing and throwing their own ki attacks back at people is going to take large amounts of ki control, ki sense, and familiarity with all the basic attack forms out there.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
@PoptartProdigy
Would learning the styles for the express purpose of constructing a pacifist style do anything to mitigate the malus from Pacifist?
Would learning the styles for the express purpose of constructing a pacifist style do anything to mitigate the malus from Pacifist?
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- Rockford, USA
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- They/Them
Not terribly, no. Creating the style itself will benefit from significant bonuses, but the others are still lethal combat forms.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Damn, how many cookies would be needed to offset the malus per action?
If we spend more than one action a turn on it, do we get a bonus for that and if so how does it interact with the malus from pacifist?
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
In order to reach parity you'd need about one cookie each. You don't get a bonus for researching more than one at once, no.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
No I mean, if we spend 2 actions learning turtle style instead of just one, does that give a bonus?
- Location
- Rockford, USA
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- They/Them
Ah. You know what, sure. If you can sell that to people, you absolutely can do that.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Awesome. Two more questions:
1. Could you put the style mastery scale on the mechanics page? It says it's a five level scale, but it doesn't say what the entries on the scale are other than incipient and master, although from the rest of the page I'd assume it goes "Incipient-novice-practitioner-???-Master"
2. When do you think you'll be closing the vote?
- Location
- Australia
@Aranfan, since it looks like we're going with Pacifist Style next turn, I'm going to suggest we use New Tricks to come up with a stamina/ki drain technique. As far as non-harming attacks meant to disable the enemy, you can't get any better than that.
EDIT: Don't forget a ki-to-health self-healing ability to synergise with the ki drain.
EDIT: Don't forget a ki-to-health self-healing ability to synergise with the ki drain.
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The Fourth Monado
S U B A R A S H I I
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You know what?
You know what?
You? Know? Fucking. WHAT?!
I'm not gonna do an Omake; oh, no.
Instead, I'm gonna do something else.
Something harder.
I'm gonna make a Dragon Ball RP.
Because FU, Muse. You want me to make RPs? Fine! I'LL MAKE YOUR DAMN RPS!
*sounds of rage and irritation*
You know what?
You? Know? Fucking. WHAT?!
I'm not gonna do an Omake; oh, no.
Instead, I'm gonna do something else.
Something harder.
I'm gonna make a Dragon Ball RP.
Because FU, Muse. You want me to make RPs? Fine! I'LL MAKE YOUR DAMN RPS!
*sounds of rage and irritation*
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Sure thing. For the record, "Incipient-novice-practitioner-expert-master," but yeah, I'll put that up.
For this one, I just needed to lay off for a day and not punch any more out, so I left it open. Tomorrow, my other quest is begging an update and thus gets first priority, but once that's done, my focus will shift back over here, I'll close, and you'll probably get something in the evening.
EDIT:
Go for it! We need more Dragon Ball content on this site!
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Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Drop us a link here when you make it, I'm interested.
The Fourth Monado
S U B A R A S H I I
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I'm gonna need help, though. I have a bad habit of slowing down fast once the RP starts.
I will.