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...Is what I was going to write, but as I was typing this up I realised that our Tien Style techniques are themselves pretty lacking. I'm not sure 2 Tien Style training APs would actually get us beyond competent in those techniques, so we'd probably end up fighting as an incipient Goku stylist anyway? Hmmm.
Tien Style is flexible. It doesn't stop you from useing any techniques you want.
 
Tally up!

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Task: TRAIN

[x][TRAIN] Desperate Research (spirit bomb) [2 AP]
No. of Votes: 13

[x][TRAIN] Ki Manipulation [2 AP]
No. of Votes: 7

[X][TRAIN] Desperate Research (Evil Containment Wave) [2 AP]
No. of Votes: 5

[X][TRAIN] Tien Style [1 AP] x2
No. of Votes: 5

[X][TRAIN] Specific Technique (Kikoho) [1 AP]
No. of Votes: 4

[X][TRAIN] Tien Style [1 AP]
No. of Votes: 3

[X][TRAIN] Team Fighting [1 AP]
No. of Votes: 3

[X][TRAIN] Jaffur's trick.
No. of Votes: 1


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Task: FIGHT

[x][FIGHT] Cynthia Balor vs. Mitsuba Roma. Odds favor Mitsuba, and heavily; Cynthia's not a fighter by trade. It won't be a very good fight. Pity, but there'll be other fights for you to watch today.
No. of Votes: 8

[X][FIGHT] Your bracket's next, actually. You should head downstairs and get ready.
-[X][FIGHT] You're fighting just like all of the others -- Masqued and restricted. You want to see how you stack up against your people's best fighters. By which you mean you want to see how long it takes to lose. You're not winning today.
No. of Votes: 5

[x][FIGHT] Cynthia Balor vs. Mitsuba Roma. Not going to be a good fight, and you admit that you're restless. You volunteered as a bonus prize for the winner of this tournament -- one fight with you, in the ring, with no restrictions. You're a little eager to get the end and see who's going to make it to you.
No. of Votes: 1

[x][FIGHT] Use Multiform to enter as a mysterious challenger, fight masked and restricted in this role. You also volunteered as a bonus prize for the winner of this tournament -- one fight with you, in the ring, with no restrictions. You're a little eager to get the end and see who's going to make it to you. The unlikely case of fight with yourself would be pretty hilarious.
No. of Votes: 1

Total No. of Voters: 18

Your winners!

[x][TRAIN] Desperate Research (spirit bomb) [2 AP]
[x][TRAIN] Ki Manipulation [2 AP]

[x][FIGHT] Cynthia Balor vs. Mitsuba Roma. Odds favor Mitsuba, and heavily; Cynthia's not a fighter by trade. It won't be a very good fight. Pity, but there'll be other fights for you to watch today.

Huh. I'm surprised you all wanted to sit out completely. Well, alright! Guess I just have to write some really interesting fights. :D

As for training. *rolls*

...hm.

Update maybe tonight, possibly tomorrow, folks.
 
Tally up!

Vote Tally : Sci-Fi - Dragon Ball: After the End | Page 743 | Sufficient Velocity [Posts: 18577-18747]
##### NetTally 1.9.8

Task: TRAIN

[x][TRAIN] Desperate Research (spirit bomb) [2 AP]
No. of Votes: 13

[x][TRAIN] Ki Manipulation [2 AP]
No. of Votes: 7

[X][TRAIN] Desperate Research (Evil Containment Wave) [2 AP]
No. of Votes: 5

[X][TRAIN] Tien Style [1 AP] x2
No. of Votes: 5

[X][TRAIN] Specific Technique (Kikoho) [1 AP]
No. of Votes: 4

[X][TRAIN] Tien Style [1 AP]
No. of Votes: 3

[X][TRAIN] Team Fighting [1 AP]
No. of Votes: 3

[X][TRAIN] Jaffur's trick.
No. of Votes: 1


——————————————————————————————————————————————
Task: FIGHT

[x][FIGHT] Cynthia Balor vs. Mitsuba Roma. Odds favor Mitsuba, and heavily; Cynthia's not a fighter by trade. It won't be a very good fight. Pity, but there'll be other fights for you to watch today.
No. of Votes: 8

[X][FIGHT] Your bracket's next, actually. You should head downstairs and get ready.
-[X][FIGHT] You're fighting just like all of the others -- Masqued and restricted. You want to see how you stack up against your people's best fighters. By which you mean you want to see how long it takes to lose. You're not winning today.
No. of Votes: 5

[x][FIGHT] Cynthia Balor vs. Mitsuba Roma. Not going to be a good fight, and you admit that you're restless. You volunteered as a bonus prize for the winner of this tournament -- one fight with you, in the ring, with no restrictions. You're a little eager to get the end and see who's going to make it to you.
No. of Votes: 1

[x][FIGHT] Use Multiform to enter as a mysterious challenger, fight masked and restricted in this role. You also volunteered as a bonus prize for the winner of this tournament -- one fight with you, in the ring, with no restrictions. You're a little eager to get the end and see who's going to make it to you. The unlikely case of fight with yourself would be pretty hilarious.
No. of Votes: 1

Total No. of Voters: 18

Your winners!

[x][TRAIN] Desperate Research (spirit bomb) [2 AP]
[x][TRAIN] Ki Manipulation [2 AP]

[x][FIGHT] Cynthia Balor vs. Mitsuba Roma. Odds favor Mitsuba, and heavily; Cynthia's not a fighter by trade. It won't be a very good fight. Pity, but there'll be other fights for you to watch today.

Huh. I'm surprised you all wanted to sit out completely. Well, alright! Guess I just have to write some really interesting fights. :D

As for training. *rolls*

...hm.

Update maybe tonight, possibly tomorrow, folks.
Did we get Dad's help to devolp the spirit bomb? As a master of the Goku style he would definitely be interested.
 
Did we get Dad's help to devolp the spirit bomb? As a master of the Goku style he would definitely be interested.
You asked, and he was touched that you thought of him, but he's not really the most qualified to help. He's not a researcher by trade or inclination, and he wouldn't know where to start. Sensei gave you pointers to the best visions for reference purposes, though, and advised you to branch out a bit from them in case they're not actually the best (gotta be some reason nobody has managed it).
 
You asked, and he was touched that you thought of him, but he's not really the most qualified to help. He's not a researcher by trade or inclination, and he wouldn't know where to start. Sensei gave you pointers to the best visions for reference purposes, though, and advised you to branch out a bit from them in case they're not actually the best (gotta be some reason nobody has managed it).
Do any of those visions include Goku learning it in the spirit world?

Also explaining why we could learn it when no one else had is why I tried to push that standing between heaven and Earth method.
 
Do any of those visions include Goku learning it in the spirit world?

Also explaining why we could learn it when no one else had is why I tried to push that standing between heaven and Earth method.
For some reason, any time somebody tries to see those, an angry red oni in a suit grabs them by the scruff of the neck and yells at them to not cut the line.
 
How come people voted for Ki Projection instead of Instant Transmission and Solar Flare? It would've gotten us Exceptional Ki Projection while also getting those two skills up to Exceptional.
 
How come people voted for Ki Projection instead of Instant Transmission and Solar Flare? It would've gotten us Exceptional Ki Projection while also getting those two skills up to Exceptional.
Because we don't know if a single training action would have been enough to level them to exceptional and it was better to raise Ki projection to exceptional for sure instead of splitting in two and falling short without increasing either past talented in time for the dragon. Sincé one of the points of increasing the macro-skills to exceptional is that it makes it easier to increase the sub skills to exceptional it doesn't make much sense if we had good chances to increase the skills to exceptional in a single action without it.
 
Because we don't know if a single training action would have been enough to level them to exceptional and it was better to raise Ki projection to exceptional for sure instead of splitting in two and falling short without increasing either past talented in time for the dragon. Sincé one of the points of increasing the macro-skills to exceptional is that it makes it easier to increase the sub skills to exceptional it doesn't make much sense if we had good chances to increase the skills to exceptional in a single action without it.
Because you don't mention the idea before and we don't know the chances of that working. If it had at least a 70% of working I would have voted for it, but I have no idea how hard it is.
 
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[X] Great Ape Rumble
No. of Votes: 1


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Task: TRAIN

[x][TRAIN] Desperate Research (spirit bomb) [2 AP]
No. of Votes: 13

[x][TRAIN] Ki Manipulation [2 AP]
No. of Votes: 7

[X][TRAIN] Tien Style [1 AP] x2
No. of Votes: 5

[X][TRAIN] Desperate Research (Evil Containment Wave) [2 AP]
No. of Votes: 4

[X][TRAIN] Tien Style [1 AP]
No. of Votes: 3

[X][TRAIN] Team Fighting [1 AP]
No. of Votes: 3

[X][TRAIN] Specific Technique (Kikoho) [1 AP]
No. of Votes: 3

[X][TRAIN] Jaffur's trick.
No. of Votes: 1

[x][TRAIN] Kikoho [1 AP]
No. of Votes: 1

[x][TRAIN] Desperate Research: Mafuba [2 AP]
No. of Votes: 1


——————————————————————————————————————————————
Task: FIGHT

[x][FIGHT] Cynthia Balor vs. Mitsuba Roma. Odds favor Mitsuba, and heavily; Cynthia's not a fighter by trade. It won't be a very good fight. Pity, but there'll be other fights for you to watch today.
No. of Votes: 8

[X][FIGHT] Your bracket's next, actually. You should head downstairs and get ready.
-[X][FIGHT] You're fighting just like all of the others -- Masqued and restricted. You want to see how you stack up against your people's best fighters. By which you mean you want to see how long it takes to lose. You're not winning today.
No. of Votes: 5

[x][FIGHT] Cynthia Balor vs. Mitsuba Roma. Not going to be a good fight, and you admit that you're restless. You volunteered as a bonus prize for the winner of this tournament -- one fight with you, in the ring, with no restrictions. You're a little eager to get the end and see who's going to make it to you.
No. of Votes: 1

[x][FIGHT] Use Multiform to enter as a mysterious challenger, fight masked and restricted in this role. You also volunteered as a bonus prize for the winner of this tournament -- one fight with you, in the ring, with no restrictions. You're a little eager to get the end and see who's going to make it to you. The unlikely case of fight with yourself would be pretty hilarious.
No. of Votes: 1

Total No. of Voters: 19
You know, I just realized there's a reason for participating that no one's brought up, despite it being part of why I voted for what I did: experience. We're severely lacking in combat experience, and this is the best we've got. Additionally, usage of skills provides "experience" towards increasing them, and as such, participating will act as training for us.

These are things we desperately need.
I brought it up multple times. I would not have voted for participating if the Dragon was not coming, but right now we need every bit of experience we can get. Looking bad does not matter in face of that.

If you want her to gain experience, perhaps it should be experience in the form which she is going to use and against enemies of the type she is going to face? Golden ape vs Kaiju?
 
It could have been. Write-ins were allowed, and the vote was inherently retroactive. Heck, one of the options was a prize of an all-out battle against Kakara, and there's certainly no standard bracket for that.

This is explicitly a Masqued tournament, and Masqued Saiyans cannot go Great Ape.

Ergo, no, it couldn't have been.
 
This is explicitly a Masqued tournament, and Masqued Saiyans cannot go Great Ape.

Ergo, no, it couldn't have been.

Then we would have made an adjustment to the schedule to account for it. You speak as if some god personally delivered a "no exceptions" rule carved in marble. It's entirely possible for the tournament to fulfill its purpose and still have a half-time show. This vote is explicitly retroactive.
 
Then we would have made an adjustment to the schedule to account for it. You speak as if some god personally delivered a "no exceptions" rule carved in marble. It's entirely possible for the tournament to fulfill its purpose and still have a half-time show. This vote is explicitly retroactive.
To settle this: Adding a whole new bracket was not going to happen; too short-notice. However, you could have written in an all-out (oozaru included) exhibition match as a reward.
 
Huh. I'm surprised you all wanted to sit out completely.
People are/were worried that losing will ruin our reputation and cause morale issues. And what purpose would not participating under the format serve? And even then, I suspect people are worried about our lack of Style training showing.

Because, in Lailokens words:
Kakara's combat training is basically nil. She will be stomped by rank amateurs. The last thing the Saiyans need to be reminded of right now is how the Gokun rolled snake eyes on their scion and every single one of them could beat her in a straight fight if not for her unearned hereditary privilege.
Despite, you know, not actually being true.
 
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