The Fourth Monado
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- Away
Dragon Ball: After the End
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- The Great Beyond
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- He/She/They
Sure, but she's also not american, or australian, or...
What I am saying is Garenhuld ain't earth and she presumably isn't speaking any modern English dialect.
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- Australia
But everyone uses mom, not mum.But what if everyone on Garenhuld has a British accent? :0
The Fourth Monado
S U B A R A S H I I
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- Away
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- Australia
As an Australian, I support this request.
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- Rockford, USA
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- They/Them
NEVER! Y'all will have your dose of Eagle Speak, and you will LIKE IT!
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- The Great Beyond
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- He/She/They
Request to retcon all words to the majestic calls of eagles.NEVER! Y'all will have your dose of Eagle Speak, and you will LIKE IT!
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- Rockford, USA
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- They/Them
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- Mid-Atlantic
As much as you damn well please. Sorry I couldn't get back to you earlier, but I literally couldn't.
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- Rockford, USA
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- They/Them
S'fine. Moving on!
Internet down or more serious issues?
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- Mid-Atlantic
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Sorry. As noted, I really couldn't have gotten back to you faster. For that matter, I don't think I could have realistically written up the omake faster. I've actually spent the past several days traveling by car, so I get to write things when time and circumstance choose to be gracious to me, not when I feel like it.
The problem seems to be that we can't actually sense lifesigns in any of the neighboring star systems. Which is pretty whacked and disturbing- no sentient life, sure, but no life at all?
[smiles]
[well, okay, more of a rictus]
See above. I could not have posted that earlier if I'd wanted to, nor could I have made my reply to Poptart earlier if I'd wanted to. Sneer if you like.
You have misinterpreted the "Protector" trait. Kakara is basically following the Code of Batman: no killing anyone, ever, and no letting them die.
I'm going to point out that Poptart explicitly spelled out in the commentary that "pacifist path" was going to be valid. That is, that we're not going to be constantly presented with options where we actually have no choice but to beat someone up or kill them. Our alternative options may be harder, they may not always work, but they'll exist.
As a corollary, if you think we're being constantly confronted with situations where we really do have no option but to kill people... you are falling into the Hard Men Making Hard Decisions (While Hard) trap.
As others have explained, this is a very bad idea unless:
1) We have already figured out a way to conceal the Super-Saiyan 2 transformation from interstellar sensors, OR
2) We have a plan for powering up all the way from Super-Saiyan 2 to Super-Saiyan Blue in a very short amount of time.
In fact, this is such a bad idea that unless we come up with a damn good solution to (1) or (2) first, literally every saiyan on Garenhuld is going to try to kill us if we try to unlock the transformation. There is a fair chance they'll succeed, and even if they don't, we're talking about this being an utterly batshit out-of-character fit of homicidal destructive madness on Kakara's part.
THe thing is, if you're going to apply video game logic, it's entirely possible that the correct time to challenge the Enemy is after we've come up with a covert training facility capable of masking much higher power levels. Or after we've:
-Learned how to conceal our true species well enough that the Enemy can't identify it from our long range ki signature,
-Found a way to contact and train in the otherworld or other dimensions, avoiding the problem of being located in normal space,
-Obtain divine ki that the Enemy MAY not be able to track,
-Learned how to teleport across galactic distances to avoid revealing our point of origin,
-Obtained fast enough spaceships to permit us to do same,
-Enlisted allies with the mystical background to know what the Enemy really is and identify his weaknesses.
-Or some combination of the above.
And all of that is off the top of my head. Talking about how we should jump for the Super-Saiyan Two transformation right now is a like saying "okay, we've gone through levels 1 through 4, it's time to skip all this boring plot, push the button, and fast-forward to the part where we fight the end-game boss!" That's a good way to get the "haha, no, you die, lol" ending.
Put this way.
A person who always resorts to violence when it seems efficient is going to tend to become a very violent person. There is almost always a "just use overwhelming violence" approach to solving a problem, and once you start using that approach consistently, it becomes very very hard to detect the limits of this approach, or to understand what's gone wrong when it stops working out for you. Or to realize what you've missed out on because you keep murdering people who could have been valuable allies.
NOT suffering the downsides of the "I'm a vicious brute" approach* requires you to go pretty damn far out of your way to AVOID "just bust a cap in his ass" solutions, even when they seem very easy to carry out. Perhaps especially when they seem very easy. A reputation for casual violence against people who can't fight back causes more problems than it solves.
So talking about how 'logical' and 'useful' it is to just bust caps in people's asses as an alternative to trying to persuade them to stand down tends to miss the point. And if you get into the habit of busting said caps every time it "seems logical" (that is, every time it feels intuitively preferable to the alternative)... You're going to find that more and more of your problems "can't" be solved without violence.
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*(Disadvantages of the 'brute approach' include having fewer allies, declining mental health, and not knowing when other people disagree with you until they feel confident they can straight-up assassinate you. This last one is a big part of why absolute monarchs become paranoid- because they violently suppress their enemies, they don't know who their enemies ARE. Their real enemies conspire secretly against them, and the only way to stop them is with paranoia and oppression of the masses).
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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- Tempe, AZ
Hopefully we will be able to sense non-life soon.
I was making a general observation of life, not blaming, shaming or being rude to you. In this case, I was talking about about a specific application of Murphy's Law: "when you need someone, they're always unavailable." Other observations I can confirm are "when you need to go to the toilet badly, it's always occupied" and "the one time you don't look down where you're stepping is the time you needed to."And I'm fairly sure we've done this song and dance before? Have I given you some reason to believe I'd "sneer" at you for this?
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- Australia
This reminds me heavily of Paths of Civilisation. There we made a civ that instead of pursing violence whenever it was beneficial to it only did so in self defence, defence of others, or high value moral reasons (such as killing the civ that did child sacrifice). We suffered in material ways in the short run but in the long run that attitude has given us several substantial advantages.
Bakkasama
There is always a greater fool
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- Buenos Aires, Argentina
- Pronouns
- He/his
Oh right! Before I forget: Poptart mentioned that this is the year in that romance might become to be a thing in the quest. Which brought back some memories:
Oh, there won't be a pubescent boy for miles who hasn't had the fear of their Lord put into them by the time Kakara hits puberty.
Funny how the masquerade falls just as Karen reaches dating age.
ChildishChimera
A umbran summon
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- New York
Isn't it the ability to sense metal not the dead?
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- Rockford, USA
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- They/Them
And the update is really honestly going for final revisions! Don't expect it for at least an hour -- because this one is big -- but please refrain from posting any gloriousness that forces me to revise my approach again, everybody.
You got it! Creative Commons applied!
And don't worry, I'm not getting on you about having other things. Goodness knows I sometimes can't get to a computer. I'm fairly good-natured about this stuff; you don't have to worry about me applying the thumbscrews over a piddling less-than-24-hours absence.
You got it! Creative Commons applied!
And don't worry, I'm not getting on you about having other things. Goodness knows I sometimes can't get to a computer. I'm fairly good-natured about this stuff; you don't have to worry about me applying the thumbscrews over a piddling less-than-24-hours absence.
Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
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- United States
No I haven't, I never said anything about killing outside of certain situations, I just want to be able to beat the shit out of people without detrimental effects on our rolls and willpower.
I want the most efficient towards our goals not whatever you think I meant
Just so you know, we can be a diplomancing leader that doesn't beat people's asses all the time, Just cause were not a pacifist that will never fight no body, doesn't mean we can't ya know TALK. That's all I am saying, there is literally no point to being a pure pacifist, luckily with the Protector trait we can do that far more easily.
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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- Tempe, AZ
We will likely talk most of them in any case simply because we are better at it.
CaesriusPolybius
Worldgate Mechanic
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- United States. Ish.
The problem seems to be that we can't actually sense lifesigns in any of the neighboring star systems. Which is pretty whacked and disturbing- no sentient life, sure, but no life at all?
Aren't there only like 30 planets that can support life in Universe 7 as of Super? Sure, it's been centuries, but given how much "better" U7's forces of destruction are at their jobs than its forces of creation, I doubt that number's increased much, relatively speaking...
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- Rockford, USA
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- They/Them
That number does not even remotely tally with the universe we're otherwise shown and I have elected to ignore it.
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- Somewhere I shouldn't be
Your problem is that you assume anyone on the planet even thinks it is remotely possible the Enemy could be defeated.
They don't. At all. Their literal gods went up against him. They were slain.
I'm going to laugh so hard when Poptart lets us know that the Dragon is Shenron, having been restored by the New Namekians and sent to find any survivors of Earth, so they could have Dragonballs again.
Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
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- United States
Uhh? I don't,
I think WE can beat him
Eventually, thats literally Dragon ball's thing, Surpassing limits, beating the unbeatable through training, hardwork *friendship* and willpower.