fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
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That would be relevant enough to show up for all seers on the planet.
Dragon Ball: After the End
Honestly, my running theories are:
1) Shin has only kept track of "homeworlds" and not colonized/terraformed worlds.
2) There's been a massive increase in planetary destruction recently. Beerus, the fight with Goku, Champa and the conflicts raging due to the collapse of the PTO all contributed it.
3) Most of the universes population now lives in spaceships and space stations, which Shin doesn't keep track of.
4) Shin has somehow lost track of most of the universes planets.
1) Shin has only kept track of "homeworlds" and not colonized/terraformed worlds.
2) There's been a massive increase in planetary destruction recently. Beerus, the fight with Goku, Champa and the conflicts raging due to the collapse of the PTO all contributed it.
3) Most of the universes population now lives in spaceships and space stations, which Shin doesn't keep track of.
4) Shin has somehow lost track of most of the universes planets.
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fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Yes, but as soon as we go SS2 we are immediately on a time limit so it makes sense to maximize everything else first.
Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
- Location
- United States
I already conceded for that, hoping that we can eventually get to the awesome SS transformations beyond the first
CaesriusPolybius
Worldgate Mechanic
- Location
- United States. Ish.
That's literally what got Earth killed, and half the time that only worked because of a set of macguffins Garenhuld lacks or technowizardry that is forgotten and/or Forbidden.
...
4 is far more likely than I find comfortable...
4 is far more likely than I find comfortable...
Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
- Location
- United States
Well its nice to see people give up without even trying, always heartening.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
Sorry, Gore; of the past five days, four of them have been ingloriously difficult and one gloriously so. It's catching up to me.I was making a general observation of life, not blaming, shaming or being rude to you. In this case, I was talking about about a specific application of Murphy's Law: "when you need someone, they're always unavailable." Other observations I can confirm are "when you need to go to the toilet badly, it's always occupied" and "the one time you don't look down where you're stepping is the time you needed to."
And I'm fairly sure we've done this song and dance before? Have I given you some reason to believe I'd "sneer" at you for this?
I was apologizing to you because I'd personally inconvenienced you, not because I expected you to think you were owed one. I'm like that.And don't worry, I'm not getting on you about having other things. Goodness knows I sometimes can't get to a computer. I'm fairly good-natured about this stuff; you don't have to worry about me applying the thumbscrews over a piddling less-than-24-hours absence.
Suffice to say that it is really easy to slip down the trail of justifying escalating amounts of violence to oneself, when one has an overwhelming capacity for violence. The point at which it will seem "most efficient towards our goals" to abstain from the use of violence likely involves a lot more violence than the point at which it is actually most efficient towards our goals.
Unless, of course, we bring to the table a systemic anti-violence bias.
You may not have realized the full significance of this, but consider. Dragonball is all about surpassing your limits through heroic willpower and training, right? Toriyama made it that way. Well, Goku is Toriyama's poster boy for this approach. He has saved the world and his friends more times than I can count through his heroic willpower and training.
And yet... Poptart began this quest with a blurb about how Goku finally met an unbeatable enemy, namely old age. How, knowing that age would claim him, he finally challenged his old rival, Vegeta, to one last glorious duel... which killed them both and achieved nothing other than to finally tell them, once and for all, who was strongest. And how the defenses of Earth finally collapsed in his absence after his death. Literally the first thing that 'happened' in the quest, even before we picked a protagonist, was that we were informed that there are some things that merely powering up will not counteract.
The lesson is, brute force may not be the answer. The answer may involve subtlety, research, or other forms of complexity. Now, brute strength may ALSO be involved. But simply trying to beeline for maximum brute strength, at the expense of other things and qualities, isn't necessarily a smart approach. So I'm advocating for patience here.
Oh, stop it. It's tiresome and insulting.
If you'd taken time to read or at least scan the commentary you'd have seen a tremendous amount of speculation on how to go above the "safe" limits of power that we can tap. And possible means of defeating or outflanking the Enemy's power. And speculation on just what that power is, given that it was enough to take down a freshly transformed 'Gohan Blue.'
No one's given up.
The point is, other people know enough to know that minimizing the scope of the problem, or acting as though it's a good idea to push the button that starts the countdown to "end game boss shows up RIGHT THE HELL NOW," are both potentially very serious mistakes. Please show some respect for all the other people present, rather than implying that we're all cowardly or stupid or unambitious. Or haven't thought of things that occurred to you over the course of a few hours. Because right now, you're coming across like this:
Ghostdevil
The Devil of Ghosts
- Location
- United States
Its not insulting, every post in regards to him that I've seen since starting this is literally "We can't beat him" or some deviation of that, that's sounds like giving up. Old age isn't something i'd really call "an enemy" since that requires a different force that I wasn't even talking about.Sorry, Gore; of the past five days, four of them have been ingloriously difficult and one gloriously so. It's catching up to me.
I was apologizing to you because I'd personally inconvenienced you, not because I expected you to think you were owed one. I'm like that.
Suffice to say that it is really easy to slip down the trail of justifying escalating amounts of violence to oneself, when one has an overwhelming capacity for violence. The point at which it will seem "most efficient towards our goals" to abstain from the use of violence likely involves a lot more violence than the point at which it is actually most efficient towards our goals.
Unless, of course, we bring to the table a systemic anti-violence bias.
You may not have realized the full significance of this, but consider. Dragonball is all about surpassing your limits through heroic willpower and training, right? Toriyama made it that way. Well, Goku is Toriyama's poster boy for this approach. He has saved the world and his friends more times than I can count through his heroic willpower and training.
And yet... Poptart began this quest with a blurb about how Goku finally met an unbeatable enemy, namely old age. How, knowing that age would claim him, he finally challenged his old rival, Vegeta, to one last glorious duel... which killed them both and achieved nothing other than to finally tell them, once and for all, who was strongest. And how the defenses of Earth finally collapsed in his absence after his death. Literally the first thing that 'happened' in the quest, even before we picked a protagonist, was that we were informed that there are some things that merely powering up will not counteract.
The lesson is, brute force may not be the answer. The answer may involve subtlety, research, or other forms of complexity. Now, brute strength may ALSO be involved. But simply trying to beeline for maximum brute strength, at the expense of other things and qualities, isn't necessarily a smart approach. So I'm advocating for patience here.
Oh, stop it. It's tiresome and insulting.
If you'd taken time to read or at least scan the commentary you'd have seen a tremendous amount of speculation on how to go above the "safe" limits of power that we can tap. And possible means of defeating or outflanking the Enemy's power. And speculation on just what that power is, given that it was enough to take down a freshly transformed 'Gohan Blue.'
No one's given up.
The point is, other people know enough to know that minimizing the scope of the problem, or acting as though it's a good idea to push the button that starts the countdown to "end game boss shows up RIGHT THE HELL NOW," are both potentially very serious mistakes. Please show some respect for all the other people present, rather than implying that we're all cowardly or stupid or unambitious. Or haven't thought of things that occurred to you over the course of a few hours. Because right now, you're coming across like this:
Its obvious you have not read all my posts, again I already conceded to the Super Sayian two thing, so if your going to argue that i'm being insulting, you could atleast not insult me by not reading the whole thing.
Actually w/e I still haven't caught up the discussion since its 630 pgs, so i'll come back when thats done
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Standard Practice
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
[X][SCENE] Misfits and Maya training.
[X][NEWS] Accept the interview.
[X][NEWS] Accept the interview.
Standard Practice
You and Maya stop talking and glance over as the door to the training gym opens. You told the Misfits to meet you here today when you all last parted.
After all, they did ask to learn about ki.
"You can leave those," you say, gesturing at their gym bags. "The owner will watch them for us."
"Sure, don't mind me," says the Masqued saiyan, lounging in a corner. "I'll play caddy."
You give him a foul look. He backs off.
You turn back to your friends. "We're going somewhere else today."
"Where?" asks Jaron, dropping his bag immediately.
"Dodonpa," you say, pointing off to the side. Before the photographer in the bushes can produce a replacement camera, you and Maya link hands and gesture for your friends to join you. Once they do, you snap your fingers to your forehead faster than anybody except Maya can see-
vip
"What the heck was that?!" says Jenny, tripping over herself as you transmit. "Did we just teleport?!"
"Yup!" you say, grinning. "Welcome to the wonderful world of ki!"
Gemma pulls out a notebook from...well, somewhere, clearly, although you're at a loss as to where specifically...and starts scribbling. "You can fly, you can teleport, you can shoot lasers-"
"You know what you're doing, right Karen?" asks Sophie, nervous.
"Course I do!" you say, smiling. "My people have been doing this for hundreds of years! This isn't new to us."
She still looks nervous, but she doesn't leave.
Which is a good thing, seeing as you're hundreds of miles from the nearest person.
You clap your hands together. "Right! So, remember, just because you can use ki doesn't mean it's safe to fight aliens or anything. It takes a lot of practice to get as strong as the aliens that attacked the school. Let the people who do fight aliens be the ones to tell you when you get to that level, because I don't want anybody getting hurt."
Jennifer looks curious. "So... no fighting aliens. What about giant monsters? Do you ever get to fight giant monsters?"
You picture the bluenette challenging a raging oozaru. Or, Ancestors forbid, the dragon you saw in your visions. With a power level of, say, fifty. Or for that matter fifty thousand. You blanch. "DEFINITELY no giant monsters. Anyway, you all have to promise not to do anything stupid with this. Got that?"
Gemma and Sophie nod, followed a split second later by Jenny.
"First, before you can learn to channel your energy, we have to teach you how to breathe and stand up right."
Jennifer giggles at that, but you've dragged the group to enough martial arts lessons that nobody seems very surprised. Sure, the native martial arts traditions don't make any meaningful use of ki, but there are some common principles. You know some of your ancestors were surprised that the Garenhulders never invented anything like Turtle or Crane school for themselves.
You continue. "Now, these lessons work best if it's one on one, with someone who can see your energy. Maya, you can switch off with me after a while, but who would you like to work with first?"
Maya chews at her cheek for a moment. "Gemma? Would that be okay?" Maya looks a bit hesitant, but Gemma nods.
"Okay!" They step aside slightly, still watching the rest of you.
Jennifer frowns. "So that leaves one of you and three of us. How is that one on one?"
Sophie puts her hands on her hips. "You're a little outnumbered for that, huh?"
Jaron flexed his jaw. "I mean, if you're expecting me to teach anybody-" Sophie brightens at that- "I... don't... knowhowididit." He looks sheepish, flushing a bit. Sophie looks away, slightly disappointed, though you probably wouldn't be able to tell if not for the trickle of ki sharpening your senses.
You smile, an I've got a secret! smile. Then you close your eyes and adopt a long practiced stance. This is the first time you've done this in front of anyone but your mom. Your ki sense and hearing swim, for a moment, in the familiar way.
Then you say to Jaron, "It's okay, I bet you'll get the hang of it really fast." You say to Jennifer, "Hi! I'm your new ki teacher!" You say to Sophie, "Still got me outnumbered?"
...all at the same time.
Everyone is looking at you now. All three of you. All at once. Jaws drop. Maya is pinging really obvious ki pulses at you, the pings almost as furious as her blush. Jaron squints.
So, like we planned, Two trains Sophie and Three trains Jennifer, while I work with Jaron and see if I can get a few double-meanings through to Jaffur without freaking him out, right?
Uh yeah, we were thinking about that. She'll teach Sophie and I'll handle Jennifer.
Wait, which of us is talking?
Figure it out for yourself, One! Two and Three turn as one to stick their tongues out at One.
Jenny overcomes the shock first. "So... which two of you are the fakes?" She would say it that way. But you've been waiting for this moment for a long time, even if you never really expected it to happen until the day the aliens attacked the school.
One points at Two and Three. Two at Three and One. And Three completes the triangle, while all three of you clones shout "They're the fakes! I'm the real one! You have to believe me!" Then you all start laughing.
Three recovers first, and you all smile. "No, seriously, we're all Karen. We're all real, and when we stop using the technique we'll all come back together into one Karen. I'll remember everything, so saying it to one of us is the same as saying it to all of us."
Gemma looks at Maya. "Can you do that? Can I learn to do that? Can- Wait a minute! Karen you cheat is this how you always have all your homework done by seven o'clock?"
You hold up your hands, grinning. "Hey, I do my homework with all of you! You know I do it on my own. This is how I get my homework done by seven while also learning new ki techniques."
Gemma's face turns red and she swells with fury and jealousy.
Jaron is still looking with his usual quiet intensity. You can swear you see a hint of Jaffur for a moment, sizing you up.
Maya, by contrast, looks well and truly sandbagged. "I- I- I-" She buries her face in her hands, and you hear a high-pitched whine before she shakes her head to clear it.
Two frowns slightly. Okay, everybody? Let's NOT show off more power level next time we spar with her. She looks a little TOO impressed.
One spreads her hands. "This is a special technique called 'Multiform.' It lets you control and split your energy to make copies of yourself, then re-combine them later. I've been practicing it for years, but I was saving it for a surprise." Maya seems to shrink a little, but if it were possible you'd swear she blushes harder as she thinks that over.
One continues. "Maya? I could teach it to you, but I'm pretty sure it won't work quite as well for you as it does for me right now. I haven't figured out how to fix that yet, so I don't think it'd be very good for you to use against the aliens. I think we'd be better off just concentrating on the kind of stuff we've already been working on; that worked great against the big one at the school. Some day I promise I'll get the bugs worked out of Multiform, though." Two and Three nod; you're unanimous on this, as in everything.
Seriously, some day you'll get Perfect Multiform worked out, and then you won't have to cheat to get multiple "full-power" copies of your Masqued self. Or for that matter your real self.
Sophie looks a little suspicious. "So if you've taught Maya all these superpower tricks, where did you learn them from?"
"Some of it's from my dad. A few things, like THIS, I worked on by myself. Aaaaand. Um. Well. Um. Mom doesn't just teach Language Arts."
Sophie looks aghast. "Wait what your mom is secretly Super-Teacher?"
Jenny shoots a glance at her. "That's just a movie character!"
"Not anymore, it sounds like!"
Eventually you get everyone calmed down to work on their breathing lessons.
Eventually.
* * *
The next time you all come together, you set breathing aside entirely. Honestly, from their prior lessons they had most of what you needed to teach them down.
And, more pragmatically, you don't want to lose them to boredom. You are mature enough to recognize that you all are young teenagers, and they came for lasers.
You clap your hands together. "Alright! Let's get started. Maya? Care to demonstrate?"
Your friend sticks her hand obligingly out.
SKREE-BANG
The blast, while well below her max power, still obliterates a stand of trees completely. The rest of your friends gape, staring.
"That's ki," you say, unfazed. "One of the obvious ways you can use it. And by the time we're done, you all are going to be able to do that-"
SKREEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee...
Your head snaps over to Jaron.
His hand is still smoking from the blast. His eyes are wider than yours as he watches the blast streak off into the distance before putting a new hole in...those are actually the Senzus' mountains. Huh.
bang
"I didn't mean to!" he says, putting his hands behind his back.
You cock your head. "...huh. You're working with-"
split split
"-me today," says Two, stepping forward. One turns to Sophie and says, "I'll be teaching you," while Three steps over to Gemma and tells Maya, "You take Jenny today?"
Maya nods, looking faintly disappointed.
Two smiles at Jaron. "Right! So, your case is a little weird, but it makes this easier, actually. You already have power -- a lot of it, actually."
"How much?" he asks, eyes locked on yours.
You hesitate.
His eyes narrow -- although, you note, you still have yet to ever have seen him blink. "How much?"
"...very," you say, looking away. Not a lot compared to me, though, right Jaffur? "Accidentally breaking a mountain is the least of what you could do."
He rears back slightly. Then he shakes his head and frowns. "...I'm not asking because I want to be competitive. I know you're stronger. I know Maya is way stronger. I want to know how careful I need to be." You shoot him a disbelieving look. He shrugs. "...I don't want to hurt anybody."
You blink. "...don't punch the ground too hard. Beyond that, it's not going to be a problem today."
He looks very disturbed by that, after a brief pause to sort out the implications, but you've already moved on.
"Today we're going to honor a long tradition in introducing powerful newcomers to ki," you say, lifting off the ground by a few inches with a wistful smile. Watching, Jii-chan? "I'm going to show you how to fly."
* * *
That evening, after the others have all gone home, Jaron and you are the last to split away from each other, as usual -- your houses are pretty close together. You're walking together, at the moment.
Well.
"Walking."
Jaron hovers a foot above the ground, staring at the gap between his feet and the sidewalk pavers with a gigantic grin on his face. "Heh."
You've honestly never seen him smile this much, so even though you roll your eyes, you can't help but smile, too. "Having fun?"
"Yes." He snickers to himself for a moment. Then he winces, rubbing at his cheeks.
You frown. "You don't smile very much, do you?"
"You noticed." And that is accompanied by a much more typical smirk.
"Why not?"
And the smirk is gone. "You know all those friends I brought with me when Sophie dragged me into the group?"
"...no?"
"Yeah, me neither."
Now it's your turn to wince. "...I at least didn't think you were miserable." Damn it, bitch, can't you do one thing right for your son?!
You don't swear often.
You spend enough time around Fennella that you know all the words, though.
He stiffens and changes the subject. "I wanted to ask you something."
You blink. "What?"
"There are more of those aliens coming."
You tilt your head. "That's...not...a-"
He gives you an unimpressed look. "Thanks." He sighs sharply. "Am I going to be able to help with that?"
You rear back, eyes wide. "I- you want to?!"
He scowls. "I remember how that one was talking. I don't- I don't-" He cuts off, struggling with his words. "...am I going to be able to help with that?"
"...depends on your Mom, I guess," you say. It's not as much of a dodge as it seems. You genuinely don't know what sorts of compulsions Lady Dandeer may or may not have laid on him.
A topic Jaron inadvertently steps on when he says, "It's not like she could stop me. I mean..." He looks unsure all of a sudden. "...I don't want to disappoint her. And I know she's not happy about me fighting. But I feel like I'd disappoint her more if I didn't do something..."
"If she didn't like it, why do you think she'd be disappointed if you didn't do it again?" you ask.
He struggles for a long moment. "...it's hard. The kind of person she says is a good person would help. But...she was so mad when I got home after..." He looks away. "I want to be a good son."
And that is such an alien sentiment out of somebody wearing Jaffur's face that you have no idea how to respond.
He continues, not noticing your shock. "Even if I don't help...I want to be able to." He turns his gaze on you and it sharpens back to its usual quality. "You fly. Everything you learn in martial arts is about how you use the ground. Fighting in the air is different, it has to be. Will you teach me how?"
[ ] Fuck. Dandeer. You've tiptoed around her for long enough. Her son has ki, and he's on-camera as somebody who helped take Murk down. You have all the justification you need to teach him how to fight with ki. Teach Jaron, and damn Dandeer's expressed feelings on the matter.
[ ] Setting aside your own desire to make some real progress, teaching Dandeer's son ki would be very near to a declaration of war. You hate her, she knows you hate her...but given the lack of Sealing attempts, you're pretty sure she doesn't know you're plotting against her. Would this be a step too far? Don't risk it. Refuse to teach Jaron how to fight without his mother's permission.
[ ] As always, write-ins allowed and encouraged.
THIS VOTE IS NOW CLOSED.
Actually, y'know what? Piling everything I originally planned to get into this update into a single update would make it a muddled mess. Everything requires a vote and follow-up -- detailed follow-up. Since the other bits are already written, I'll just post this and we'll go to a faster update cycle over the next couple of days.
A significant part of this update was written by the inestimable @Simon_Jester, and apparently over a moderately trying span of time to boot. I've edited it to be more in line with my narrative voice, but I like the omake he submitted enough to hop right over the canon/compliant/non-canon schtick and simply steal it whole cloth (with permission, naturally)! Thanks a lot, mate!
Have fun, everybody!
ONE-HOUR MORATORIUM TO DISCUSS BEFORE THE VOTE OPENS
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The Fourth Monado
S U B A R A S H I I
- Location
- Away
Oh man, dis is great.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Well Dandeer must know we hate her. What I would want to do is ask her if we can teach her son ki and how to fight with it in front of a large crowd of Vegetans.
@PoptartProdigy Could we manage that?
@PoptartProdigy Could we manage that?
Lunaryon
Dual Aurora Wave
- Pronouns
- She/Her
I want to go with something a bit... controversial....
[ ] *Take a long, deep breath* You hate Dandeer, Dandeer hates you. Surprisingly (not) You know that she hates you and she knows that you hate her. But her son wants to learn how to fight. Not her first born son, but her second son. And as much as you want to make that decision... you really can't not without putting everything that you have been working towards in danger. Which means that you are being put in a terrible, horrible position. You need to talk to Dandeer about this. Both in the Masque and out of it. You hate this idea, but this is the best way to handle things because she does not handle even the image of things not being run by her. And the worst part, if we refuse to do this... Jaron will go off and do this on his own. Dandeer has to understand that... Right? He is doing this because he wants to be a good son. So either she has to convince him not to do this... or she has to let him do this. The other option is to reveal that she knows about Ki and Magic, because Jaron is figuring it out on his own, and if he decides that he is going to do this... then he is going to do this unless she actually stops him.
[ ] *Take a long, deep breath* You hate Dandeer, Dandeer hates you. Surprisingly (not) You know that she hates you and she knows that you hate her. But her son wants to learn how to fight. Not her first born son, but her second son. And as much as you want to make that decision... you really can't not without putting everything that you have been working towards in danger. Which means that you are being put in a terrible, horrible position. You need to talk to Dandeer about this. Both in the Masque and out of it. You hate this idea, but this is the best way to handle things because she does not handle even the image of things not being run by her. And the worst part, if we refuse to do this... Jaron will go off and do this on his own. Dandeer has to understand that... Right? He is doing this because he wants to be a good son. So either she has to convince him not to do this... or she has to let him do this. The other option is to reveal that she knows about Ki and Magic, because Jaron is figuring it out on his own, and if he decides that he is going to do this... then he is going to do this unless she actually stops him.
- Location
- Mid-Atlantic
I.... am not at all sure that Dandeer understands that Jaron will do things like this on his own.
Dandeer's got a very fragile mind. She's "crazed" in the old sense of "a lot of superficial cracking and damage due to past abuse." It may not take very much to cause her to crack all through and start just plain having breaks with reality. Or at least slipping. Remember her behavior at the meeting in the Hall after the attack on the school.
Dandeer is capable of being that opposed to the idea of her son ever, ever accessing his ki powers. Ever knowing ki even exists. Even in Masqued form.
On the other hand, Dandeer now knows that there are a lot of Vegetans who are very, VERY pissed about this state of affairs, and may be susceptible to persuasion or pressure as a result?
...
Anyway, signing off everyone. Won't be around again until ~20-24 hours from now, in all probability.
[Salutes everyone's favorite toastable pastry]
Dandeer's got a very fragile mind. She's "crazed" in the old sense of "a lot of superficial cracking and damage due to past abuse." It may not take very much to cause her to crack all through and start just plain having breaks with reality. Or at least slipping. Remember her behavior at the meeting in the Hall after the attack on the school.
Notice the underlined passage. Whoops.PoptartProdigy said:
Dandeer is capable of being that opposed to the idea of her son ever, ever accessing his ki powers. Ever knowing ki even exists. Even in Masqued form.
On the other hand, Dandeer now knows that there are a lot of Vegetans who are very, VERY pissed about this state of affairs, and may be susceptible to persuasion or pressure as a result?
...
Anyway, signing off everyone. Won't be around again until ~20-24 hours from now, in all probability.
[Salutes everyone's favorite toastable pastry]
- Location
- Australia
Fuck Dandeer. Her son wants to learn ki, all his other friends are being taught ki despite what their parents think, and he wants to protect people. If he were any of our other friends we would be teaching him ki. We are completely justified in our actions.
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Lunaryon
Dual Aurora Wave
- Pronouns
- She/Her
See tho, that's the thing.
She reacts like that in front of Jaron - Jaron will try to protect us because we are a friend and he wouldn't expect his mom to attack with a raised power level.
Which would mean that she reveals that she knows about Ki...
Or she uses Magic, but since it looks like Jaron might be a Sorcerer and Jaffur certainly is... he would be able to feel that.
Once again, the secret is broken.
The only other insane reaction I can think of is trying to seal Jaron, because that worked so well last time
And well, if that happens then we can take Jaron to the Rebellion.
She reacts like that in front of Jaron - Jaron will try to protect us because we are a friend and he wouldn't expect his mom to attack with a raised power level.
Which would mean that she reveals that she knows about Ki...
Or she uses Magic, but since it looks like Jaron might be a Sorcerer and Jaffur certainly is... he would be able to feel that.
Once again, the secret is broken.
The only other insane reaction I can think of is trying to seal Jaron, because that worked so well last time
And well, if that happens then we can take Jaron to the Rebellion.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
@PoptartProdigy : Could we ask Apra and Yammar if there is a way we could ask Dandeer if we can teach her son in public?
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
That kid might become a Matryoshka doll.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Er, sure. Honestly, Kakara can think of a few herself, though.
fictionfan
Please sir, may I have some Meows?
- Location
- Tempe, AZ
Well that seems like the best way to go about it. That way we are very likely to get permission or if we don't we get more support.
Quest
The Great One
- Location
- Everywhere
I think we need to talk to Dandeer in person. Once we convince her, if we give her our personal guarantee of his safety, it'd help a lot especially since it's something we'll do anyway and after the Faith we have a reputation of fairness.
Her mindstate is really fragile now, and in hindsight having her expelled from the faith probably took away some of the few places she felt safe at.
We should talk to her, and probably put every bonus we can towards convincing her.
EDIT: We need to decide if we should alienate her, or try to convince her we're on her side. There are multiple methods to get Jaron fighting if we do the former, but would run into our dad as a problem. Despite that, we can use social pressure to get Jaron out of her thumb fairly easily.
On the other hand, this removes one of the last things she has holding her together and probably sends her off to the deep end. With us as the target since we're the common thread in both this and the Faith.
If we try to talk to her and persuade her to do this, then i'd be harder but much better for both our traits and our future options.
TO help with that we should probably figure out her levers. If we hit all of them like we did for the High Priest, we can tailor our argument to her.
Her mindstate is really fragile now, and in hindsight having her expelled from the faith probably took away some of the few places she felt safe at.
We should talk to her, and probably put every bonus we can towards convincing her.
Um... they hate her and would probably make this worse. We can basically just walk into her house and talk to her.
EDIT: We need to decide if we should alienate her, or try to convince her we're on her side. There are multiple methods to get Jaron fighting if we do the former, but would run into our dad as a problem. Despite that, we can use social pressure to get Jaron out of her thumb fairly easily.
On the other hand, this removes one of the last things she has holding her together and probably sends her off to the deep end. With us as the target since we're the common thread in both this and the Faith.
If we try to talk to her and persuade her to do this, then i'd be harder but much better for both our traits and our future options.
TO help with that we should probably figure out her levers. If we hit all of them like we did for the High Priest, we can tailor our argument to her.
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We can't give our personal guarantee of his safety. We can say that he is strong enough already to get into trouble and that he will be safer if he is strong enough to get himself out of it.
We could ask her before the interview and tell her that if she says no that we will mention it during the interview.
The problem is that she doesn't see us as a person. If we don't add weight to the argument she will just dismiss us.
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Do their parents know? Are we doing it behind their backs? @PoptartProdigy said we would have to convince them, right?
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Why not? Because we have a lot of eggs riding in the Jaffur basket, and we kinda have to be keeping an eye on him anyway. This is also an argument against him participating, because we'll need to keep an eye on him.
Where does this come from? Also added more stuff in edit:
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You did. Honestly, I mentioned it because if you fucked up and the option failed, the backlash would have been legendary had I not mentioned the possibility. But you're Kakara Goku, you have Exceptional Communication and a host of traits chiming in on most Communication checks, and you can make convincing, "safety," arguments in your sleep with this degree of threat. You aced the checks easily, and with so little drama I felt it served no productive purpose on-screen.