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Quest said:
Okay, I literally said that what I'm saying doesn't hold true for this thread earlier in the discussion and my statements have no bearing on what you believe to be part of your personal or the quest version of the story. It was part of an ongoing discussion and not a standalone statement.

My post was purely meant to clarify the original mangaka 's official stance and to clarify that there was no contradiction there, as that's how I had approached the whole conversation.
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Sorry, didn't mean to seem like I was personally attacking your position. I seem to unwittingly be making an ass out of myself a lot today. I didn't mean to aim the comment at you personally.

I just figured that if someone was going to bring up the (quite contentious, from what I've seen and experienced) issue of what is and isn't canon in the whole Dragon Ball Media kerfluffle, I'd go ahead and throw in my personal philosophy.

The last bit was my attempt at a sorta-joke, as sadly enough I've actually had someone try to tell me something of the sort... that DB Kai is a million times better than DBZ simply because it was "more canonical" and that I should be ashamed for liking DBZ.

Again, not aimed at you, but more of a pre-emptive statement that IMHO power various canonicity levels are bullshit in the DB series. (Series-es? Serii?)

Sorry if I offended.
 
ElleonXan said:
The last bit was my attempt at a sorta-joke, as sadly enough I've actually had someone try to tell me something of the sort... that DB Kai is a million times better than DBZ simply because it was "more canonical" and that I should be ashamed for liking DBZ.

Again, not aimed at you, but more of a pre-emptive statement that IMHO power various canonicity levels are bullshit in the DB series. (Series-es? Serii?)

Sorry if I offended.
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No no, I'd just woken up and that probably led to me sounding more annoyed then I was. To clarify, I'm not arguing what is cannon or not. I think the better word would be continuity. My arguments were all based on the same manga to super continuity that Toriyama personally worked with.

And yes, you should not be shamed for liking a particular part of the DB series. Despite it's naysayers, Dragon Ball GT was fairly enjoyable and I enjoyed a lot of the fillers in the original anime like the Other-World tournament. Only parts that annoyed me were bits from the Freeza saga which did stuff like have a character just power up for a whole episode.:wtf:
 
Okay, so this may not be strictly canon. @PoptartProdigy probably has their own ideas about the training sessions, and they may conflict with this, but I couldn't help myself. I tried to make the characterization as accurate as possible based on my memories of the characters.

If it differs from canon in only minor details, I'd be happy to fix those details, of course.


Teacher-Student Ratio​

"Right! So, remember, a few lessons of this isn't the same as meaning it's safe to fight aliens or anything. It takes a LOT of practice to get as strong as the aliens that attacked the school. Let the people who do fight aliens be the ones to tell you when you get to that level, because I don't want anybody getting hurt."

Jennifer looks curious. "So... no fighting aliens. What about giant monsters? Do you ever get to fight giant monsters?"

You picture the bluenette challenging a raging oozaru. Or, Ancestors forbid, the dragon you saw in your visions. With a power level of, say, fifty. Or for that matter fifty thousand. You blanch. "DEFINITELY no giant monsters. Anyway, you all have to promise not to do anything stupid with this. Got that?"

Gemma and Sophie nod, followed a split second later by Jenny.

"First, before you can learn to channel your energy, we have to teach you how to breathe and stand up right."

Jennifer giggles at that, but Sophie's dragged the gang to enough Ti Kwan Leep lessons that nobody seems very surprised. Sure, the native martial arts traditions don't make any meaningful use of ki, but there are some similarities. You know some of your ancestors were surprised that the Garenhulders never invented anything like Turtle or Crane school for themselves.

You continue. "Now, these lessons work best if it's one on one, with someone who can see your energy. Maya, you can switch off with me after a while, but who would you like to work with first?

"Gemma? Would that be okay?" Maya looks a bit hesitant, but Gemma nods.

"Okay!" They step aside slightly, sill watching the rest of you.

Jennifer frowns. "So that leaves one of you and three of us. How is that one on one?"

Sophie puts her hands on her hips. "You're a little outnumbered for that, huh?"

Jaron flexed his jaw. "I mean, if you're expecting me to teach anybody-" Sophie brightens at that- "I... don't... knowhowididit." He looks sheepish, flushing a bit. Sophie looks away, slightly disappointed, though you probably wouldn't be able to tell if not for the trickle of ki sharpening your senses.

You smile, an I've got a secret! smile. Then you close your eyes and adopt a long practiced stance. This is the first time you've done this in front of anyone but your mom. Your ki sense and hearing swim, for a moment, in the familiar way.

Then you say to Jaron, "It's okay, I bet you'll get the hang of it really fast." You say to Jennifer, "Hi! I'm your new ki teacher!" You say to Sophie, "Still got me outnumbered?"

...All at the same time.

Everyone is looking at you now. All three of you. All at once. Jaws drop. Maya is pinging really obvious ki pulses at you, the pings almost as furious as her blush. Jaron squints.

<So, like we planned, Two trains Sophie and Three trains Jennifer, while I work with Jaron and see if I can get a few double-meanings through to Jaffur without freaking him out, right?>

<Uh yeah, we were thinking about that. She'll teach Sophie and I'll handle Jennifer.>

<Wait, which of us is talking?>

<Figure it out for yourself, One!> Your other selves turn as one and stick your tongues out at you.

Jenny overcomes the shock first. "So... which two of you are the fakes?" She would say it that way. But you've been waiting for this moment for a looooong time, even if you never really expected it to happen until the day the aliens attacked the school.

One points at Two and Three. Two at Three and One. And Three completes the triangle, while all three of your clones shout "They're the fakes! I'm the real one! You have to believe me!" Then you all start laughing.

Three recovers first, and you all smile. "No, seriously, we're all Karen. We're all real, and when we stop using the technique we'll all come back together into one Karen. I'll remember everything, so saying it to one of us is the same as saying it to all of us."

Gemma looks at Maya. "Can you do that? Can I learn to do that? Can- Wait a minute! Karen you cheat is this how you always have all your homework done by seven o'clock?"

Jaron is still looking with his usual quiet intensity. You can swear you see a hint of Jaffur for a moment, sizing you up.

Maya, by contrast, looks well and truly sandbagged. "I- I- I-"

Two frowns slightly. <Okay, everybody? Let's NOT show off more power level next time we spar with her. She looks a little TOO impressed.>

One spreads your hands. "This is a special technique called 'Multiform.' It lets you control and split your energy to make copies of yourself, then re-combine them later. I've been practicing it for years, but I was saving it for a surprise." Maya seems to shrink a little, but if it were possible you'd swear she blushes harder as she thinks that over.

One continues. "Maya? I could teach it to you, but I'm pretty sure it won't work quite as well for you as it does for me right now. I haven't figured out how to fix that yet, so I don't think it'd be very good for you to use against the aliens. I think we'd be better off just concentrating on the kind of stuff we've already been working on; that worked great against the big one at the school. Some day I promise I'll get the bugs worked out of Multiform, though." Two and three nod; you're unanimous on this.

Seriously, some day you'll get Perfect Multiform worked out, and then you won't have to cheat to get multiple "full-power" copies of your Masqued self. Or for that matter your real self.

Sophie looks a little suspiciously. "So if you've taught Maya all these superpower tricks, where did you learn them from?"

"Some of it's from my dad. A few things, like THIS, I worked on by myself. Aaaaand. Um. Well. Um. Mom doesn't just teach Language Arts."

Sophie looks aghast. "Wait what your mom is secretly Super-Teacher?"

Jenny shoots a glance at her. "She's just a movie character!"

"Not anymore she's not, it sounds like!"

Chaos ensues.

Eventually you get everyone calmed down to work on their breathing lessons. Eventually.
 
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Magnificent!
Only one nitpicK: Maya doesn't know how to sense Ki.
though I may remember wrong, I'm rather new in this thread.
 
Parthu said:
Magnificent!
Only one nitpicK: Maya doesn't know how to sense Ki.
though I may remember wrong, I'm rather new in this thread.
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She does, however she's horrible at it. Needs to concentrate and is limited to people she's looking at.

EDIT: Maya has taken the first, faltering steps towards being able to sense the energy of others. She has low-resolution awareness of the ki of anybody within her line of sight if she focuses, although exceptionally powerful ki signatures will of course be detectable from much further away.
 
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Just realized... at this point it seems Jaffur is our Sasuke. Well less emo but still despite only be kinda sorta Not!friends were now doing everything in our power to save him. *on pg 4 or 5 of reader mode*
 
Simon_Jester said:
Okay, so this may not be strictly canon. @PoptartProdigy probably has their own ideas about the training sessions, and they may conflict with this, but I couldn't help myself. I tried to make the characterization as accurate as possible based on my memories of the characters.

If it differs from canon in only minor details, I'd be happy to fix those details, of course.


Teacher-Student Ratio​

"Right! So, remember, a few lessons of this isn't the same as meaning it's safe to fight aliens or anything. It takes a LOT of practice to get as strong as the aliens that attacked the school. Let the people who do fight aliens be the ones to tell you when you get to that level, because I don't want anybody getting hurt."

Jennifer looks curious. "So... no fighting aliens. What about giant monsters? Do you ever get to fight giant monsters?"

You picture the bluenette challenging a raging oozaru. Or, Ancestors forbid, the dragon you saw in your visions. With a power level of, say, fifty. Or for that matter fifty thousand. You blanch. "DEFINITELY no giant monsters. Anyway, you all have to promise not to do anything stupid with this. Got that?"

Gemma and Sophie nod, followed a split second later by Jenny.

"First, before you can learn to channel your energy, we have to teach you how to breathe and stand up right."

Jennifer giggles at that, but Sophie's dragged the gang to enough Ti Kwan Leep lessons that nobody seems very surprised. Sure, the native martial arts traditions don't make any meaningful use of ki, but there are some similarities. You know some of your ancestors were surprised that the Garenhulders never invented anything like Turtle or Crane school for themselves.

You continue. "Now, these lessons work best if it's one on one, with someone who can see your energy. Maya, you can switch off with me after a while, but who would you like to work with first?

"Gemma? Would that be okay?" Maya looks a bit hesitant, but Gemma nods.

"Okay!" They step aside slightly, sill watching the rest of you.

Jennifer frowns. "So that leaves one of you and three of us. How is that one on one?"

Sophie puts her hands on her hips. "You're a little outnumbered for that, huh?"

Jaron flexed his jaw. "I mean, if you're expecting me to teach anybody-" Sophie brightens at that- "I... don't... knowhowididit." He looks sheepish, flushing a bit. Sophie looks away, slightly disappointed, though you probably wouldn't be able to tell if not for the trickle of ki sharpening your senses.

You smile, an I've got a secret! smile. Then you close your eyes and adopt a long practiced stance. This is the first time you've done this in front of anyone but your mom. Your ki sense and hearing swim, for a moment, in the familiar way.

Then you say to Jaron, "It's okay, I bet you'll get the hang of it really fast." You say to Jennifer, "Hi! I'm your new ki teacher!" You say to Sophie, "Still got me outnumbered?"

...All at the same time.

Everyone is looking at you now. All three of you. All at once. Jaws drop. Maya is pinging really obvious ki pulses at you, the pings almost as furious as her blush. Jaron squints.

<So, like we planned, Two trains Sophie and Three trains Jennifer, while I work with Jaron and see if I can get a few double-meanings through to Jaffur without freaking him out, right?>

<Uh yeah, we were thinking about that. She'll teach Sophie and I'll handle Jennifer.>

<Wait, which of us is talking?>

<Figure it out for yourself, One!> Your other selves turn as one and stick your tongues out at you.

Jenny overcomes the shock first. "So... which two of you are the fakes?" She would say it that way. But you've been waiting for this moment for a looooong time, even if you never really expected it to happen until the day the aliens attacked the school.

One points at Two and Three. Two at Three and One. And Three completes the triangle, while all three of your clones shout "They're the fakes! I'm the real one! You have to believe me!" Then you all start laughing.

Three recovers first, and you all smile. "No, seriously, we're all Karen. We're all real, and when we stop using the technique we'll all come back together into one Karen. I'll remember everything, so saying it to one of us is the same as saying it to all of us."

Gemma looks at Maya. "Can you do that? Can I learn to do that? Can- Wait a minute! Karen you cheat is this how you always have all your homework done by seven o'clock?"

Jaron is still looking with his usual quiet intensity. You can swear you see a hint of Jaffur for a moment, sizing you up.

Maya, by contrast, looks well and truly sandbagged. "I- I- I-"

Two frowns slightly. <Okay, everybody? Let's NOT show off more power level next time we spar with her. She looks a little TOO impressed.>

One spreads your hands. "This is a special technique called 'Multiform.' It lets you control and split your energy to make copies of yourself, then re-combine them later. I've been practicing it for years, but I was saving it for a surprise." Maya seems to shrink a little, but if it were possible you'd swear she blushes harder as she thinks that over.

One continues. "Maya? I could teach it to you, but I'm pretty sure it won't work quite as well for you as it does for me right now. I haven't figured out how to fix that yet, so I don't think it'd be very good for you to use against the aliens. I think we'd be better off just concentrating on the kind of stuff we've already been working on; that worked great against the big one at the school. Some day I promise I'll get the bugs worked out of Multiform, though." Two and three nod; you're unanimous on this.

Seriously, some day you'll get Perfect Multiform worked out, and then you won't have to cheat to get multiple "full-power" copies of your Masqued self. Or for that matter your real self.

Sophie looks a little suspiciously. "So if you've taught Maya all these superpower tricks, where did you learn them from?"

"Some of it's from my dad. A few things, like THIS, I worked on by myself. Aaaaand. Um. Well. Um. Mom doesn't just teach Language Arts."

Sophie looks aghast. "Wait what your mom is secretly Super-Teacher?"

Jenny shoots a glance at her. "She's just a movie character!"

"Not anymore she's not, it sounds like!"

Chaos ensues.

Eventually you get everyone calmed down to work on their breathing lessons. Eventually.
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...and I need to rewrite that scene now.
 
PoptartProdigy said:
You can, but USSJ is a waste of ki unless you very specifically need a big damn blast.
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The point of getting USS isn't to start using USS, but so that we can begin the Ultra Imbue research project - the one where we imbue our punches and stuff with the power of USS in the instant they connect without transforming in order to massively increase damage without suffering the crippling speed and stamina penalties of the transformation. I discussed this with you once and you ok'd the idea.
 
Andres110 said:
The point of getting USS isn't to start using USS, but so that we can begin the Ultra Imbue research project - the one where we imbue our punches and stuff with the power of USS in the instant they connect without transforming in order to massively increase damage without suffering the crippling speed and stamina penalties of the transformation. I discussed this with you once and you ok'd the idea.
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Ah, yes, that is still a valid topic for research.
 
Thou shall not kill, still stupid in a few situations but its better than be anti-all violence forever as if that makes sense. Now we can do the one thing I love in DBZ without penalty. Beating the absolute shit out of enemies, don't really care about killing outside of good fights. *on chapter we gain protector trait*
 
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