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Well I've wracked my brain, and am still coming up empty. I can't recall if it came up in story and I'm just not remembering, if it was a WoG I missed, or if we just haven't been told...

@PoptartProdigy, who was Bricca Talt?
 
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ElleonXan said:
Well I've wracked my brain, and am still coming up empty. I can't recall if it came up in story and I'm just not remembering, if it was a WoG I missed, or if we just haven't been told...

@PoptartProdigy, who was Bricca Talt?
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*points to the "if you have a question check the front page first" tag*
PoptartProdigy said:
Yamcha Style [Novice]: While once he paid it no mind, your Father has recently expanded his scholarship of the Turtle Style Family to Yamcha's in a strange sort of memorial to Bricca Talt. He is only a novice in its ways as of yet.
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PoptartProdigy said:
House Talt was a minor Vegetan House of little note and less influence. They were simple and uncomplicated in their ambitions, and loyal to their Lords and Ladies. They were one of the few Houses untouched by the chaos following the Lord's Rebellion, continuing their tradition of loyal service with exactly as little drama as they had before it.

So when a minor, doomed Super Saiyan revolt began in the Clan of Vegeta, Head Bricca Talt answered her Lord's call to arms without question. She and hers were trusted to hold down the non-Super Saiyans aligned with the rebels while the Lords attended to the heavy hitters. She led her House into battle exactly as expected, and in conjunction with House Senzu cut a swathe through the traitors. But no plan survives contact with the enemy, and in the chaos of battle, Bricca Talt was separated from her comrades and family.

She was opposed by five fighters, all stronger than her. She was alone and beyond reinforcement, and half of her allies had no idea that she was even in trouble. She was doomed. But she still fought.

Bricca Talt was a master of the much-maligned Yamcha style, and a talented warrior. Despite the odds, she fought with everything she had, and slew four of her attackers before being killed. It was an incredible feat, one that saved the Yamcha style from obscurity and made her a hero in the eyes of the Exiles. But her son Toma was not sanguine about her demise.
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Seriously, front page, followed by using the search function. Then ask.
 
fictionfan said:
Completly true, but I am talking about the reputation of the profession.

In the series mind delve was mostly used to avoid recap.
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That runs into the mind-reading stigma.

"Your profession barely even uses ki."

"We use Mind Delve!"

"Oh, lovely. Mind readers. Get the hell away from me, freak."
fictionfan said:
@PoptartProdigy : What is the limiting factor that causes caps in power levels? Is it how much the body can take? Trying to write an Omake about researching perfect multiform. To me it seems like if you spent a long time in multiform as a super saiyan your energy reserves will increase just like they do when training the super saiyan form.
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No. Good idea, but no.

As far as the saiyans can tell, the cap is the cap -- the point at which you just stop getting stronger, no matter how hard you work. Multiforms appear to have a divided cap just like they have divided power levels.
 
I for one don't mind answering such questions, simply because it puts a more human face on the massive slabs o'facts you find there.

ChildishChimera said:
You go to a therapist to figure out and work through your problems not have someone force fix them, if you can't talk about the subject you have to work till you are. Plus mind delve is a invasion of privacy since there are always things you want to keep private.
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It seems to me that Mind Delve is to psychiatry and therapy what exploratory surgery is to medicine. There are some amazingly good and important applications of it, and it can do things that can't be done any other way. But it's invasive and potentially damaging, so that almost any problem you can treat without Mind Delve should probably be treated without Mind Delve.

fictionfan said:
@PoptartProdigy : What is the limiting factor that causes caps in power levels? Is it how much the body can take? Trying to write an Omake about researching perfect multiform. To me it seems like if you spent a long time in multiform as a super saiyan your energy reserves will increase just like they do when training the super saiyan form.
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It seems unlikely. None of the bodies can exceed the potential of the original body, and when the bodies re-coalesce you don't get the additive sum of their collective power. Otherwise Perfect Multiform would be a power-quadrupling technique for everyone, not just super-saiyans.

Ridiculously Average Guy said:
Wait, Jaffur wasn't just heating up then cooling down his aura to change it's consistency into something akin to Jello made of Ki?
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It's unclear whether ki even has a meaningful 'temperature,' let alone properties that can be altered via temperature control in what sounds like some kind of hysteresis loop.
 
PoptartProdigy said:
No. Good idea, but no.

As far as the saiyans can tell, the cap is the cap -- the point at which you just stop getting stronger, no matter how hard you work. Multiforms appear to have a divided cap just like they have divided power levels.
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Well hypothetically someone could master the Kaio-Ken and healing ki and go on indefinitely. We have seen a bunch of ways to get beyond the cap they all include self harm. So I figured the cap was how much your body could take.
 
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PoptartProdigy said:
That runs into the mind-reading stigma.

"Your profession barely even uses ki."

"We use Mind Delve!"

"Oh, lovely. Mind readers. Get the hell away from me, freak."
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Hmm, does that stigma apply to the Lords, or is it just expected of them to possess it to determine guilt?

Also, I guess that removes "Mental Ki Healing" off the table. :p
fictionfan said:
Well hypothetically someone could master the Kaio-Ken and healing ki and go on indefinitely. We have seen a bunch of ways to get beyond the cap they all include self harm. So I figured the cap was how much your body could take.
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Fairly sure the rate of damage would exceed what they could heal, and more importantly, they wouldn't be recovering stamina. Also, Ki Healing is rather complex from what I understand, and healing yourself while under the Kaio-Ken is probably near-impossible anyway.

Saiyan caps seem to be a function of their innate biology and the various transformations they go through.
 
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fictionfan said:
Well hypothetically someone could master the Kaio-Ken and healing ki and go on indefinitely. We have seen a bunch of ways to get beyond the cap they all include self harm. So I figured the cap was how much your body could take.
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Nope. It's a firm cap on regular training. Special techniques can surpass it, but the cap remains.
Gore17 said:
Hmm, does that stigma apply to the Lords, or is it just expected of them to possess it to determine guilt?

Also, I guess that removes "Mental Ki Healing" off the table. :p
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Nobody's ever comfortable with it. They just don't object when the person doing it isn't an easily-suppressed minority.
 
The cap is artificial, I think. Pure Saiyans might have caps but human hybrids shouldn't on account of the fact that humans don't have caps.

@PoptartProdigy, can we get Ultra Super Saiyan without breaking the power masking thingy by using Multiform?
 
Ki ignores the laws of conservation of energy. True, Saiyans do eat alot, but not nearly enough for their energy out puts. Also human ki mutants don't seem to eat more. Saiyans don't eat more after they become Super Saiyan as well.
 
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@PoptartProdigy, if stamina is a factor that limits the amount of training we can do, can we have people give us their energy so we can minimise the rest time we need and get more training done? On the flip-side, if we're training someone else, could we give them energy so they can keep going? Jaffur Style would probably be rather tiring for Mato based on how tiring it was for us.

As Scion, can we get access to notes that were taken on previous attempts to get Perfect Multiform?
 
Andres110 said:
@PoptartProdigy, if stamina is a factor that limits the amount of training we can do, can we have people give us their energy so we can minimise the rest time we need and get more training done? On the flip-side, if we're training someone else, could we give them energy so they can keep going? Jaffur Style would probably be rather tiring for Mato based on how tiring it was for us.

As Scion, can we get access to notes that were taken on previous attempts to get Perfect Multiform?
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Considering we have more energy than about anyone else I don't think people would think much of us asking them to give us their energy.
 
@PoptartProdigy, I've just got done rereading Princess Kakara and, unless I'm mistaken, Vegetan social protocol seems to mesh very well with Kakara's Compelling Presence trait. Am I correct in guessing that learning that protocol has increased the bonuses we get from that trait?
 
Andres110 said:
The cap is artificial, I think. Pure Saiyans might have caps but human hybrids shouldn't on account of the fact that humans don't have caps.

@PoptartProdigy, can we get Ultra Super Saiyan without breaking the power masking thingy by using Multiform?
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Once more: BoD. Beyond that, hybrids are functionally identical otherwise, so they don't get an exception.

You can, but USSJ is a waste of ki unless you very specifically need a big damn blast.
Andres110 said:
@PoptartProdigy, if stamina is a factor that limits the amount of training we can do, can we have people give us their energy so we can minimise the rest time we need and get more training done? On the flip-side, if we're training someone else, could we give them energy so they can keep going? Jaffur Style would probably be rather tiring for Mato based on how tiring it was for us.

As Scion, can we get access to notes that were taken on previous attempts to get Perfect Multiform?
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You already have them; they're just not very useful.
Andres110 said:
@PoptartProdigy, I've just got done rereading Princess Kakara and, unless I'm mistaken, Vegetan social protocol seems to mesh very well with Kakara's Compelling Presence trait. Am I correct in guessing that learning that protocol has increased the bonuses we get from that trait?
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They synergize in some situations, but one does not directly boost the other.

Update's going in the text box, folks! Hold questions.
 
ElleonXan said:
Yeah, any universe where I can't use the version that made it popular to determine "canon" but have to wade through guidebooks and WoG interviews to find out stuff is one where I say "screw it, close enough" and just treat each separate instance as it's own canon. Thus manga!canon can be totally different from anime!canon,
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Okay, I literally said that what I'm saying doesn't hold true for this thread earlier in the discussion and my statements have no bearing on what you believe to be part of your personal or the quest version of the story. It was part of an ongoing discussion and not a standalone statement.

My post was purely meant to clarify the original mangaka 's official stance and to clarify that there was no contradiction there, as that's how I had approached the whole conversation.
 
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