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Dragon Ball: After the End

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fictionfan said:
Don't worry @KnightDisciple I don't think we will every have a kill them all option winning unless a bunch of troll come here from somewhere else.
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Or, you know. When it's time to pull out all the stops, go as ham as possible, and save the day via massive amounts of collateral damage.

This day is not that day, either. This day is the 'there isn't too much that can go wrong and there are people that we don't want to end up as collateral damage that are waaay too close.' kind of day.
 
Okibruez said:
This day is not that day, either. This day is the 'there isn't too much that can go wrong and there are people that we don't want to end up as collateral damage that are waaay too close.' kind of day.
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Berra fumbles a roll badly and gets killed by one of the scouts. That could happen.

Wonder if Kakara would snap and go SSJ2?
 
Gore17 said:
SSJ2 requires something more then just need and/or anger in this, so no.

And I dont think Berra is at any risk of that.
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Recall, an enraged Scion who has been Sealed away for two years, a prisoner inside his own head, is on the battlefield.

This Scion is SO SKILLED at magic that they can power a Masque that has no knowledge of ki and no training up to 300,000.

They are also a Sealed Super Saiyan.

There's every chance that Berra might suffer an 'accident' on the battlefield. He might accidentally stop flying and fall from a great height. Onto some ki blasts.

I don't think it's likely, mind you. Jaffur has other, more legitimate targets for his rage. He also knows we are here and knows we are actively trying to unSeal him AND save his 'brother'. So he's not likely to straight-up murder our Dad in front of us. But it isn't beyond consideration...
 
Let's put it this way: It's unreasonable to assume that any of the variables currently present in the plan will act in any extremely unanticipated ways. Jaffur can't actually do anything beyond influence and boost his Masque without tipping his hand and dooming himself forever. (Even this much is seriously pushing it.)

As for hypothetical spectacular bad luck, well. If your only reason to kill everybody is so that there's never even the slimmest chance of things going badly, then you need to seriously re-evaluate your life choices.

Edit: Rereading that last sentence, I should probably rephrase that.
"If you want to kill everybody and destroy everything so nothing can goes wrong" sounds much less like I want to kill everyone. Whether or not I do is irrelevant.
 
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Okay, I just discovered something interesting from the Dragon Ball Super manga:
Andres110 said:
@PoptartProdigy, when Aizen fought Ichigo and was unable to sense his spiritual pressure, he thought Ichigo discarded it in order to gain a massive increase to physical stats. That turned out not to be the reason why he couldn't sense him, but could we possibly do something like what Aizen thought Ichigo did?
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PoptartProdigy said:
...I don't know Bleach. Could you translate that for me, so that I can be sure I'm reading it correctly?
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The Fourth Monado said:
Basically, what Aizen though Ichigo did was internalize 100% of his power, sacrificing anything else he could do for massive physical capabilities.
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Andres110 said:
Technique? All Gotenks did was scream really really loudly.


The bad guy in Bleach couldn't sense the good guy's ki. The bad guy thought the good guy sacrificed his ability to use ki (i.e. for energy attacks (the good guy's specialty), walking on air, flash step, etc.) in exchange for HUGE TONS of raw physical strength, speed, durability, etc.

The real reason the bad guy couldn't sense the good guy's ki wasn't because of that, but is something like that something we could do ourselves?
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PoptartProdigy said:
Ah ha. Gotcha.

*addressing IC Kakara* You're...not sure about that. I mean, mechanically the more esoteric effects of ki aren't really something that you're constantly wasting energy on. You use them, and that burns ki, but if you don't use them the only real effect you've noticed is that your pool of ki is less depleted than if you had. And outright switching them off...how would that even work? This particular idea doesn't seem like something you could use. Maybe there's something else in a similar vein, though...
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Something like this appeared.
In it, Goku created a variation of Super Saiyan Blue that seals most, if not all of the energy inside his body, stopping it from leaking out, causing a massive increase in power, and also resulting in no aura. Downsides are that it requires time for him to gain that state, it requires massive focus to be maintained at all times while in such a state, and if focus is lost, it could cause the user to explode.

Also, while in that form, Goku was able to replicate Hakai/Destruction as used by Gods of Destruction by further concentrating all his energy into his hand. Of course, its weaker then the real thing, and required constant focus.
And on a similar note, I've been wondering if we could create a "stealth mode", like Abridged!Krilling. :p

Basically, could we, in theory, create a method that would allow us to replicate the ki-obscuring effects of the wards and Scouts suits from our own Ki, that would apply to everything we do? I mean, passive Ki Sensing/Detecting seems to work by detecting the Ki that a body passively releases, and Ki Blasts seem to do the same thing, with light being released as well. So could we stop that wastage?

Aka, I'm asking if it'd be possible for to break the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics over our knee further. Or at least create some of Ki Layer over things to fool people. :p
 
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@Gore17 I am not exactly a fan of the manga version though I think the author was recruited for the anime writting team in the last arc due to some reaction from the public and if so then he is not doing too bad there. That said
I think it was implied that internalizing the ki usage and not letting it go to waste was the way Vegeta unlocked the god form without the ritual and Whis did train both Goku and Vegeta to do exactly that so, since the form you mentioned did not appear, I doubt it will be a thing there or here.
 
Andres110 said:
Is the Super manga bad?
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Yes. Not really a fan of how they handle things.

The universe 7 vs 6 fights is a good example. In the anime, Hit is a badass who beat Vegeta god form thanks to his time stop and Goku had to use Kaioken and Karin's training to even the fight. In the manga, the author didn't feel like using kaioken so he made up that blue form uses a lot of stamina and each time you transform/unstransform on the same day, the next time is weaker because of the energy spent to transform. So with how they liked to turn back to normal forms between fights, Vegeta's blue form when he fought Hit had 1/10 of the power it had when he fought the saiyan of universe 6 a few minutes earlier and he only went blue there to show him it existed.

Then Goku as Blue dominatef the fight with Hit. So basically, Vegeta lost that fight in the most stupid way possible because he gave a pep talk to a fellow saiyan and thus he spent most of his power for it.

If you have seen both versions of the Hit fight, you start to really hate the manga one
 
I am beginning to seriously consider making Super's status as canon strictly provisional. I'm doing what I can to work with it, but some of the stuff that they're making up is wildly divorced from the way the series has proceeded previously. It is extremely difficult to use as a source for a consistent lore.

Let alone the manga, dear lord.
 
PoptartProdigy said:
I am beginning to seriously consider making Super's status as canon strictly provisional. I'm doing what I can to work with it, but some of the stuff that they're making up is wildly divorced from the way the series has proceeded previously. It is extremely difficult to use as a source for a consistent lore.

Let alone the manga, dear lord.
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Would you consider that version of my idea part of what makes its canonicity dubious?
 
PoptartProdigy said:
I am beginning to seriously consider making Super's status as canon strictly provisional. I'm doing what I can to work with it, but some of the stuff that they're making up is wildly divorced from the way the series has proceeded previously. It is extremely difficult to use as a source for a consistent lore.

Let alone the manga, dear lord.
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It is the danger of doing fan work for an ongoing series. Imagine is you had been doing a quest well bleach was still going and the author kept coming up with new inconsistent stuff.:confused:
 
Bakkasama said:
@Gore17 I am not exactly a fan of the manga version though I think the author was recruited for the anime writting team in the last arc due to some reaction from the public and if so then he is not doing too bad there. That said
I think it was implied that internalizing the ki usage and not letting it go to waste was the way Vegeta unlocked the god form without the ritual and Whis did train both Goku and Vegeta to do exactly that so, since the form you mentioned did not appear, I doubt it will be a thing there or here.
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Oh, I know all that.
I was pointing out the similarities between the suggestion and what was featured. That, and wondering if we could use something similar to either stop or trick PL detection.
 
PoptartProdigy said:
No.
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Thank you. That would have really sucked.


I think it is not too soon to start campaigning for next year's vote.

Ether two or three actions on school depending on how we do.

[] The Power of Learning (1 action): Quite aside from school, the human world has always fascinated you. Maybe you can learn something from them? Effect: Become a bookworm in (insert field of study) or just read as widely as possible if nothing specific catches your eye. This is something you'd be good at.
-[]Tinkering it should complement your machine sense. Also we want to find that opportunity with the scout ship.
[]Ki sense machine sense
We have a special ability we want to make the most of it.

[ ] Train Specific Skill
-[] instance transmission

We need something in that warrior path to make sure our skills don't get rusty. Also instance transmission should combo well with improving ki sense. We will be able to teleport to other planets if they just have something for us to lock on to.

[] Train With Sensei (1 action, LOCKED)
Is likely to remain locked.

[]Train Multiform or research perfect Multiform

We are very close to the next level which means more actions. I am inclined to just focus on mastery of basic Multiform to be more sure of success. So far we have not had any problems where perfect Multiform would have helped us. Also the better we are at basic the easier perfect should be to research.


That leaves 2 actions assume we are still at 10 actions next year. One of which has to do with the seal.
 
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fictionfan said:
Thank you. That would have really sucked.


I think it is not too soon to start campaigning for next year's vote.

Ether two or three actions on school depending on how we do.

[] The Power of Learning (1 action): Quite aside from school, the human world has always fascinated you. Maybe you can learn something from them? Effect: Become a bookworm in (insert field of study) or just read as widely as possible if nothing specific catches your eye. This is something you'd be good at.
-[]Tinkering it should complement your machine sense. Also we want to find that opportunity with the scout ship.
[]Ki sense machine sense
We have a special ability we want to make the most of it.

[ ] Train Specific Skill
-[] instance transmission

We need something in that warrior path to make sure our skills don't get rusty. Also instance transmission should combo well with improving ki sense. We will be able to teleport to other planets if they just have something for us to lock on to.

[] Train With Sensei (1 action, LOCKED)
Is likely to remain locked.

[]Train Multiform or research perfect Multiform

We are very close to the next level which means more actions. I am inclined to just focus on mastery of basic Multiform to be more sure of success. So far we have not had any problems where perfect Multiform would have helped us. Also the better we are at basic the easier perfect should be to research.


That leaves 2 actions assume we are still at 10 actions next year. One of which has to do with the seal.
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Contact Jaffur for the seal one. We could probably train a style instead of IT so we should ask if training Tien style is likely to level multiform. I don't know about tinkering since we will likely need some social actions like training Maya, explaining what happened to the misfits and further integration of Jaron to the group. Plus Scion duties.

Since we studied this year we should be at A- at school so maintaining our marks should do it.
 
I am hopeful that studying at school and tinkering should be synergistic with each other.
 
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