Dragon Ball: After the End

[Scotchtape27]

So, I've noticed it bouncing around the thread, and I'm a bit curious -- what does everybody think of the deteriorating relations with Berra? We've had a few people chime in on it, but definitely a minority. So I'm wondering, and thought I'd hit the thread. What are your thoughts?

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Gotta say, I don't like it. Just because we don't agree with what he did, doesn't mean we should tank our entire relationship with our father and the rest of our family. Definitely want to try and reconcile with him in the near future.

Also, since I definitely want that addition tacked on.
[X] No, they're not true
[X]--But there's not really anything we can do about it right now without playing into Lady Vegeta's hands. She pulled Father over a barrel by playing on how I got beat up while pushing Jaffur to Ascend--she lied to him, and he believed her enough that he was willing to hold me down while she did this. I will make this right somehow, I just need to figure out how to do it without destroying us as a people."

 

[Kairos123]

So, I've noticed it bouncing around the thread, and I'm a bit curious -- what does everybody think of the deteriorating relations with Berra? We've had a few people chime in on it, but definitely a minority. So I'm wondering, and thought I'd hit the thread. What are your thoughts?

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I think it's odd. Not the fighting itself, but what it stems from. Part of it is that Berra would be so steadfastly supportive of what he did despite the conclusive piece of evidence being a child's reaction to being sealed. On one hand, it's an interesting character direction that reflects his trait appropriately. On the other it is massively annoying and seems to spit in the face of his other foundational trait. To the point I can see where the accusations of mind control come from.

The escalation says nothing good about his character, though. He's a father teaching an heir, but decides now is a good time to show favoritism (or more accurately show favoritism to someone not the heir). Worse, he doesn't seem to understand or ignores that the child in question is jealous of Kakara's position. That he would choose to do it for something Kakara asked his help on is just so mind boggling to me. It's a level of stupidity that's almost malice. Like, here's a chance to bond, one of the first things Kakara has asked of him outside of mandatory training, and this is how he responds. I'm glad Kala didn't support him after this because it is a huge failure on his part. I could understand if he and Kakara were equals, but she's eight years old. That the onus of fixing the relationship is in the hands of a eight year old is pretty ridiculous.

Not saying it's bad writing, because a father having no clue what to do is believable, but it puts his character in a new, terrible perspective. Every time we saw him before this he looked like a pretty cool guy, but then started showing such... I don't even know what to call this. Is it incompetence? He's doing these rash things for reasons I don't understand, which theoretically should be against his character. He didn't get Jaffur's side of the story, he refuses to see Kakara's, has decided to steadfastly support the sealing of his equal (after one night of thinking it over), and now this. It does not reflect the moderation and patience that his character supposedly leans towards.

I look forward to seeing how he acts politically, because he's being kind of schizophrenic at the moment. Not to a truly significant degree, just acting a bit off.

We're likely going to fix it though. If not for emotional reasons, then for practical ones.

 

[KaintukeeBob]

And when they meet in Martial Arts Tournaments, they absolutely start tapping into more and more of their Masqued power until they hit as much as they can get away with before their Lord reigns them in.

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Ok, now I'm picturing Mr. Satan's impact on our Saiyan society. I can just picture him being the 'face' of the Masquerade: "Mr. Satan says, Don't Get Carried Away! Maintain your Masque or you'll get the HURT put on ya!"

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Regarding relations with our father, I don't like seeing it deteriorate. A healthy home life is important for a growing child, especially one who has so much stress. There's damn good reasons for each of us to have the thoughts and feelings we do, and those need to be reconciled.

Berra is wrong, but he's wrong for the right reasons. I'm sure that once we can talk to him civilly, with our grandmother present, perhaps, we can begin to repair the situation.

He's going to have a lot of work to do, but he can't even imagine what most of it is until we talk to him.

 

[Bommelom]

So, I've noticed it bouncing around the thread, and I'm a bit curious -- what does everybody think of the deteriorating relations with Berra? We've had a few people chime in on it, but definitely a minority. So I'm wondering, and thought I'd hit the thread. What are your thoughts?

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I like it, but in the way that I find it narratively interesting, not that I think it's a good thing for Kakara. Also not sure how she can patch up the relationship, since I'm not sure both of Karaka and Berra would be able to suppress the urge to talk about the Sealing.

On a related note: Lady Vegeta has proved herself to be a snake of a monster and I hope she dies painfully and utterly broken.

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I don't think Lady Vegeta had bad intentions when she sealed Jaffur or Lord Vegeta (I'm pretty sure she genuinely believed that it was Lord Vegeta's tainted line that made him abuse her and Jaffur, possibly as a way to cope with Lord Vegeta's behavior). I certainly don't understand the idea she's some sort of rational mastermind, and I think the Sealing was a desperation effort in response to Lord Vegeta almost killing Jaffur, not some sort of plot long in the making.

 

[Ct613hulu]

My concern is that Lady Vegeta's belief that the tainted blood of the Saiyan race is irredeemably linked to violence and horrific behavior will lead her to spread this forced Sealing. From her perspective wouldn't it be logical to ensure that no monsters like Vegeta are produced again by ensuring that all Saiyans are Sealed? This may not have been her original plan but I can easily see her becoming more radicalized as the situation escalates and she is forced into conflict with people who vehemently oppose her actions.

 

[The Fourth Monado]

My concern is that Lady Vegeta's belief that the tainted blood of the Saiyan race is irredeemably linked to violence and horrific behavior will lead her to spread this forced Sealing. From her perspective wouldn't it be logical to ensure that no monsters like Vegeta are produced again by ensuring that all Saiyans are Sealed?

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*prepares*

 

[Quest]

He's dealing with a lot of stuff. He's dealing with it badly, but there is a lot of stuff going on. He was originally against the Sealing, or at least hoping for a better way. But Lady Vegeta convinced him of it, and after steeling his mind he goes through with it. Then his daughter goes against his decision, and he did give us a chance to explain IIRC. Unfortunately, we failed the communications roll and basically sounded like a child, and he probly assumed we didn't understand the big picture.

Now we told him we'd never forgive him for something he thinks he had to do. It's quite possible he regrets it, but he can't let himself think that cause then it'd be all for nothing. So he's doubling down, and going ahead with it. Something he's probably used to doing as a Lord, since Lords do stuff like wipe out clans by themselves. He's a living deterrent and that often doesn't leave a person like him in a good mind-space.

So he's probably avoiding the issue and probably thinks the whole not personally teaching us Oozaru was probably for the best and was trying to give us space or something.

 

[ShadowAngelBeta]

Gotta say, I don't like it. Just because we don't agree with what he did, doesn't mean we should tank our entire relationship with our father and the rest of our family. Definitely want to try and reconcile with him in the near future.

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Well no one likes it, but our entire issue is that unless we go completely out of character all of a sudden, we can't reconcile. The two of them are too similar and have drawn their lines in the sand already on the issue, and both of them are very stubborn.

I think it's odd. Not the fighting itself, but that Berra would be so steadfastly supportive of what he did despite the conclusive piece of evidence being a child's reaction to being sealed. On one hand, it's an interesting character direction that reflects his trait appropriately. On the other it is massively annoying and seems to spit in the face of his other foundational trait. To the point I can see where the accusations of mind control come from.

The escalation says nothing good about his character, though. He's a father teaching an heir, but decides now is a good time to show favoritism (or more accurately show favoritism to someone not the heir). Worse, he doesn't seem to understand or ignores that the child in question is jealous of Kakara's position. That he would choose to do it for something Kakara asked his help on is just so mind boggling to me. It's a level of stupidity that's almost malice. Like, here's a chance to bond, one of the first things Kakara has asked of him outside of mandatory training, and this is how he responds. I'm glad Kala didn't support him after this because it is a huge failure on his part. I could understand if he and Kakara were equals, but she's eight years old. That the onus of fixing the relationship is in the hands of a eight year old is pretty ridiculous.

Not saying it's bad writing, because a father having no clue what to do is believable, but it puts his character in a new, terrible perspective. Every time we saw him before this he looked like a pretty cool guy, but then started showing such... I don't even know what to call this. Is it incompetence? He's doing these rash things for reasons I don't understand, which theoretically should be against his character. He didn't get Jaffur's side of the story, he refuses to see Kakara's, has decided to steadfastly support the sealing of his equal (after one night of thinking it over), and now this. It does not reflect the moderation and patience that his character supposedly leans towards.

I look forward to seeing how he acts politically, because he's being kind of schizophrenic at the moment. Not to a truly significant degree, just acting a bit off.

We're likely going to fix it though. If not for emotional reasons, then for practical ones.

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I agree overall. He's being irrational, but he's probably privately questioning himself in the back of his head over Jaffar and our reaction. Perhaps lent some nasty credence by us being a Seer. And he's probably still reeling from our rejection of not just his choice, but where his belief of doing the right thing led him.

So I can see why he would be irrational and avoiding us, we're a living reminder he might have helped destroy the head of a clan.

I think he was alright to judge Vegeta though, with how long Berra had known him... *Shrug* That at least seems to fit.

I don't think Lady Vegeta had bad intentions when she sealed Jaffur or Lord Vegeta (I'm pretty sure she genuinely believed that it was Lord Vegeta's tainted line that made him abuse her and Jaffur, possibly as a way to cope with Lord Vegeta's behavior). I certainly don't understand the idea she's some sort of rational mastermind, and I think the Sealing was a desperation effort in response to Lord Vegeta almost killing Jaffur, not some sort of plot long in the making.

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And how far has the desperation and rationalization twisted her? You don't need to be rational to be a dangerous master-mind. Actually, its the insane one's that are worse. Especially the quietly insane one's.

My concern is that Lady Vegeta's belief that the tainted blood of the Saiyan race is irredeemably linked to violence and horrific behavior will lead her to spread this forced Sealing. From her perspective wouldn't it be logical to ensure that no monsters like Vegeta are produced again by ensuring that all Saiyans are Sealed?

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Hence why she needs to die. She already did it to her husband and son, the Head and Scion of a major house. She had no problem twisting and manipulating our father into helping her. *Shakes head* I just... She's a threat. Not a danger, but a threat. And we can't move against her, we can't even try to see if she's planning to do anything.

He's dealing with a lot of stuff. He's dealing with it badly, but there is a lot of stuff going on. He was originally against the Sealing, or at least hoping for a better way. But Lady Vegeta convinced him of it, and after steeling his mind he goes through with it. Then his daughter goes against his decision, and he did give us a chance to explain IIRC. Unfortunately, we failed the communications roll and basically sounded like a child, and he probly assumed we didn't understand the big picture.

Now we told him we'd never forgive him for something he thinks he had to do. It's quite possible he regrets it, but he can't let himself think that cause then it'd be all for nothing. So he's doubling down, and going ahead with it. Something he's probably used to doing as a Lord, since Lords do stuff like wipe out clans by themselves. He's a living deterrent and that often doesn't leave a person like him in a good mind-space.

So he's probably avoiding the issue and probably thinks the whole not personally teaching us Oozaru was probably for the best and was trying to give us space or something.

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Much better than my response, which was along the same thoughts as this, thank you.

 

[Terrabrand]

Skill Gained: Masque Affinity [Unpromising]

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Neat.

[Mental Health Check: Pass. Nascent Trait "Traumatized" nipped in the bud thanks to friends and the "Socializer" trait]

[Acquaintances Gained: Sophie Schultz, Maya Webley, Jennifer Birch, Gemina Kostos. Rules Screen updated with Relationships rules, Relationships added to Character Sheet]

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Excellent.

"Ki sight and dexterous fingers," he says. "See where it's going and you can dam the flow. Welcome to the Craft. I can teach you." And with that, he lets you go and turns to the fire -- seriously, a wood-burning fire -- on the opposite wall. "Have your mother set up lessons with me starting next week or go bother somebody else. I might have anointed you, but I'm not going to waste time waiting for you."

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Glorious.

He snorts. "What, you thought I was actually testing you? Girl, I Saw this day the moment you were born. I've known you were a Seer from the instant your mother popped you out. Do you imagine there's some element of uncertainty in figuring out who can see the future or not? Pah!" He spits in the fire. You wrinkle your nose. "Not that that's all there is to it," he says, fiddling with some spices. "Fools assume that Bardock's Craft is just the future. No. To be a Seer is to See. See the future, see lies...to See what is." He turns to look at you, and his eyes are completely white. "I blocked your parents' ki and told them they'd name you Scion or be dead right then and there while I raised you the way I saw fit on the day of your birth. I See quite a bit in your future." And then he tosses a handful of spices into the fire.

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I'm amused at the Seer testing being 'of course I knew, you nitwit'.

"There are, in our history, three Saiyans who have achieved this form," he says, looking at you with a gaze that encompasses WISDOM and CAUTION and DUTY. "I'm sure you need no help realizing that I'm not Vegeta."

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Hi Gohan.

Do we consciously know that we're contacting Gohan? Cause IIRC, we forgot the last time?

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We explicitly are seeing it different from the new Seer Sight. I'm guessing yes.

I would like to thank in particular @Terrabrand and @Bakkasama, whose ideas were the final inspiration for this model and who both have cookies now because of it. Thanks, you two! You were a great help! And I also thank everybody else who talked it out in the comments, helping me to find what I like to think is a more elegant solution to the rather thorny problem I was originally facing. You all are awesome!

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Whee, cookies for helping.

I coulda sworn I quoted more of the post but can't be bothered to go back and requote most of it.


[X] No, they're not true.
-[X] I was trying to stop it, but I wasn't as strong as dad. I think it's a bad thing there's now no one to keep him in check, he got this wrong.

My own write-in subvote.

 

[Bommelom]

And how far has the desperation and rationalization twisted her? You don't need to be rational to be a dangerous master-mind. Actually, its the insane one's that are worse. Especially the quietly insane one's.

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No, but in order to be a mastermind you do need an evil plan, and I don't think Lady Vegeta is planning anything at the moment, other than holding on to power and prevent Jaffur and Lord Vegeta from being unsealed.

My concern is that Lady Vegeta's belief that the tainted blood of the Saiyan race is irredeemably linked to violence and horrific behavior will lead her to spread this forced Sealing. From her perspective wouldn't it be logical to ensure that no monsters like Vegeta are produced again by ensuring that all Saiyans are Sealed? This may not have been her original plan but I can easily see her becoming more radicalized as the situation escalates and she is forced into conflict with people who vehemently oppose her actions.

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Well, firstly, I get the impression she thought the violence was linked to the line of the Lords Vegeta and not necessarily to Saiyans in general. Secondly, I don't see how Lady Vegeta could ever think Sealing every Saiyan would be possible. Not only would she need to somehow subdue an army of people far stronger than she is, she would have literally zero supporters, and even if she somehow succeeded, the sealed Saiyans would start birthing unsealed Saiyans. If Lady Vegeta at that point believed that all Saiyans were bloodthirsty by nature, presumeably she'd also believe that baby Saiyans without guidance from other Saiyans would eventually run amok.

 

[Ct613hulu]

You make a good argument and I certainly recognize that any rational actor would recognize that embarking on some kind of crusade to Seal all of the Saiyans would be doomed to failure. My perspective is that Lady Vegeta would attempt to develop some kind of Apocalyptic spell designed to Seal all the Saiyans or prevent future Saiyan births as a consequence of the tremendous pressure that she will be from people who oppose her actions. From Lady Vegeta's perspective some kind of radical action may be necessary to ensure that Kakara doesn't convince her father to order the Sealing removed or simply wait to order it removed herself once she is the head of Clan Goku.

Lady Vegeta has just gained a lot of powerful enemies and is in a very poor political position. This seems exactly the time for a powerful sorceress to start experimenting with dark and forbidden knowledge to develop powerful new spells to solve her problems.

If Lady Vegeta at that point believed that all Saiyans were bloodthirsty by nature, presumeably she'd also believe that baby Saiyans without guidance from other Saiyans would eventually run amok.

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This reminds me of the amusing fact that sending Baby Saiyans to conquer planets singlehandedly was a strategy used by the original Saiyan Empire.

 

[Aranfan]

[X] No, they're not true.
-[X] I was trying to stop it, but I wasn't as strong as dad. I think it's a bad thing there's now no one to keep him in check, he got this wrong.

 

[Kairos123]

I don't think Lady Vegeta had bad intentions when she sealed Jaffur or Lord Vegeta (I'm pretty sure she genuinely believed that it was Lord Vegeta's tainted line that made him abuse her and Jaffur, possibly as a way to cope with Lord Vegeta's behavior). I certainly don't understand the idea she's some sort of rational mastermind, and I think the Sealing was a desperation effort in response to Lord Vegeta almost killing Jaffur, not some sort of plot long in the making.

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Lord Vegeta's sealing was certainly something planned for. If even half of what she told Berra was true it is understandable. Even Jaffur's sealing is almost understandable, the kid clearly has problems and they are shown throughout the story. My gripe is that after sealing Lord Vegeta, she then came up with this tainted blood crap, and is so desperate for family and scared of another Lord Vegeta she does the same to Jaffur. Then, when he defends himself, she gets help, and uses that against him while portraying him as someone who'll inevitably turn into his father.

I agree that she isn't yet irredeemable, and that she doesn't seem to be some kind of plotter. But that doesn't mean she can't be. With her position she is very dangerous.

My concern is that Lady Vegeta's belief that the tainted blood of the Saiyan race is irredeemably linked to violence and horrific behavior will lead her to spread this forced Sealing. From her perspective wouldn't it be logical to ensure that no monsters like Vegeta are produced again by ensuring that all Saiyans are Sealed? This may not have been her original plan but I can easily see her becoming more radicalized as the situation escalates and she is forced into conflict with people who vehemently oppose her actions.

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Yeah, this is my fear. Didn't think of her spreading it, but I worry she may become steadily more radicalized as she receives more and more backlash from her decision.

You have a point though, with sealing every problem may start to look like a nail.

Well, firstly, I get the impression she thought the violence was linked to the line of the Lords Vegeta and not necessarily to Saiyans in general. Secondly, I don't think Lady Vegeta could ever think Sealing every Saiyan would be possible. Not only would she need to somehow subdue an army of people far stronger than she is, she would have literally zero supporters, and even if she somehow succeeded, the sealed Saiyans would start birthing unsealed Saiyans. If Lady Vegeta at that point believed that all Saiyans were bloodthirsty by nature, presumeably she'd also believe that baby Saiyans without guidance from other Saiyans would eventually run amok.

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It doesn't have to be a matter of all saiyans. Just a matter of dissidents. I can see her supporting it if stressed enough or pushed into a corner. Despite her low power level, she is still the current Lord, and is still an obscenely powerful sorceress. If those who move against her push hard enough, for a decision that was clearly the only option, she can and will push back.

Or maybe it starts with those clans whose withdrawal might destabilize the already tenuous balance. For example, the House Senzu, who supplies the always important senzu beans. Remember how offended Lady Vegeta was at their defiance? Who is to say she can't convince the public that it is an appropriate punishment for their near-treasonous behavior?

She's released something completely unheard of and stands by the stance that it is right in certain circumstances. If she convinces enough people that it is the better alternative, it will have serious repercussions. How many spares would do everything to prove that the heirs are disruptive or dangerous enough to be in need of a sealing? How many smaller clans hold grudges strong enough that they would love to see such a thing happen to their rivals? How many of those in power would use this as a tool to keep down those who would oppose them within their house? What do you think the response would be to her keeping the Sealing to herself when such people come forward?

Although, who knows, it might amount to nothing in the end. Maybe all of clan Vegeta and Goku accept it as their lords wish and life moves on.

 

[Neat John]

[X] No, they're not true.

 

[Bommelom]

@PoptartProdigy, got some more questions.

How is the geopolotical situation on Garenhuld? Are they completely united under one leader like Dragonball Earth or are there multiple countries? If they're united, what kind of political system do they use? If they aren't united, in what country does Kakara and her family live in, and what kind of political system does that country have?

Do Saiyans generally live in one area/country/corner of the world or are they spread out over the whole world? Do they live amongst ordinary humans, or do they prefer sticking together?

Do Saiyans have human jobs? If they do, do any Saiyans other than the Lords and Scions have Saiyan-related jobs? If they don't have human jobs, what do they do instead, and how do they keep up the appearance that they're ordinary members of society? Do they have fake jobs?

Do Berra and/or Kala have human jobs? Or, alternatively, what kind of fake jobs do they have?

Do Saiyans have any places they can meet each other and talk about Saiyan-related stuff other than the Training Hall or their homes?

Kakara probably won't know the answers to the next questions, so not answering them will make sense. Still..

Can Seers actually get precise information about the future, or do they only get vague prophecies/visions they have to interpret, and are all their abilities available on demand or are some of them unpredictable?

If Seers see the future, can they change the future they see or are they basically screwed if they watch something horrible?

I was also going to ask how they found out about Bardock having seer abilities (and being the first Super Saiyan), but then I realized that the answer's probably that they used Seer abilities.

 

[PoptartProdigy]

@PoptartProdigy, got some more questions.

How is the geopolotical situation on Garenhuld? Are they completely united under one leader like Dragonball Earth or are there multiple countries? If they're united, what kind of political system do they use? If they aren't united, in what country does Kakara and her family live in, and what kind of political system does that country have?

Do Saiyans generally live in one area/country/corner of the world or are they spread out over the whole world? Do they live amongst ordinary humans, or do they prefer sticking together?

Do Saiyans have human jobs? If they do, do any Saiyans other than the Lords and Scions have Saiyan-related jobs? If they don't have human jobs, what do they do instead, and how do they keep up the appearance that they're ordinary members of society? Do they have fake jobs?

Do Berra and/or Kala have human jobs? Or, alternatively, what kind of fake jobs do they have?

Do Saiyans have any places they can meet each other and talk about Saiyan-related stuff other than the Training Hall or their homes?

Kakara probably won't know the answers to the next questions, so not answering them will make sense. Still..

Can Seers actually get precise information about the future, or do they only get vague prophecies/visions they have to interpret, and are all their abilities available on demand or are some of them unpredictable?

If Seers see the future, can they change the future they see or are they basically screwed if they watch something horrible?

I was also going to ask how they found out about Bardock having seer abilities (and being the first Super Saiyan), but then I realized that the answer's probably that they used Seer abilities.

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Garenhuld is eclectic. They are not globally unified although they do possess a global forum like the UN but with more actual authority, distributed between more members. Kakara and her family live in one of the bigger nations, one in the southern temperate zone, and the nation is republican in nature.

They are spread out, but tend to live close to each other for the sake of familiarity. They cluster, but those clusters are far-flung. You're never more than a hundred miles away from a concentration of Saiyans, and then there are all the oldsters who, for whatever reason, tend to become hermits in old age. These clusters live mixed among human neighborhoods, leading to bizarre situations where half the people in the coffee shop are actually Masqued Saiyans and the other half are humans totally unaware of the scenario.

Saiyans take jobs for the sake of the Masquerade. Disproportionately they tend towards government work, but not always.

Kala is a teacher and Berra is a mechanic.

No real permanent places. They just tend to fly faster than the eye can see until they can't sense any humans around.

They get on-demand visions of variable precision according to metrics that they keep entirely to themselves. It's generally accepted that if you really need to find something out, a Seer can swing it, suggesting that obtaining that precision on demand is more hard than anything else.

They see the future as it presently shall be, meaning that if they can puzzle out how it comes to be, they can stop it. Self-fulfilling prophecies are a very real danger, though, so once a Seer gets an initial warning they tend to spend a while re-watching it and scrying out the intervening time in detail.

And yes, that is how they found out.

 

[Bommelom]

They get on-demand visions of variable precision according to metrics that they keep entirely to themselves. It's generally accepted that if you really need to find something out, a Seer can swing it, suggesting that obtaining that precision on demand is more hard than anything else.

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Do the Seers actively keep stuff like this secret, or is the lack of knowledge regarding Seer abilities merely because most Saiyans don't bother to learn about them?

 

[PoptartProdigy]

Do the Seers actively keep stuff like this secret, or is the lack of knowledge regarding Seer abilities merely because most Saiyans don't bother to learn about them?

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A mixture of your new Sensei -- the man who told a nine-year-old flat-out that he threatened her parents with death and nearly kidnapped her minutes after her birth unless they named her Scion -- being one of the friendliest and most approachable Seers on Garenhuld and the fact that they creep most people out. Nobody wants to know that much. It's to the point where Seers more often have to go out and hunt their apprentices down since nobody wants to be tested.

 

[SailorOfMyVessel]

[X] No, they're not true.

 

[Terrabrand]

A mixture of your new Sensei -- the man who told a nine-year-old flat-out that he threatened her parents with death and nearly kidnapped her minutes after her birth unless they named her Scion -- being one of the friendliest and most approachable Seers on Garenhuld and the fact that they creep most people out

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"Alright kid, it's like this, Seers play one giant game of good cop/bad cop."

"You're the bad cop right?"

"What? No, kid, I'm the nice one. Consider that wen you're thinking of bothering the others."

 

[Neat John]

the fact that they creep most people out.

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So how does the rest of the Saiyans view Kakara now that they know that she is a Seer?

 

[Execute/Dumbo]

A mixture of your new Sensei -- the man who told a nine-year-old flat-out that he threatened her parents with death and nearly kidnapped her minutes after her birth unless they named her Scion -- being one of the friendliest and most approachable Seers on Garenhuld and the fact that they creep most people out. Nobody wants to know that much. It's to the point where Seers more often have to go out and hunt their apprentices down since nobody wants to be tested.

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Okay, so final couple of questions.
Has any Seer tried to See into the time that caused the mass earth exodus and find out who was the guy who defeated them all? Has that worked?
And would we have still gotten those dreams with Gohan if we hadn't rolled positive for being a Seer?

 

[PoptartProdigy]

So how does the rest of the Saiyans view Kakara now that they know that she is a Seer?

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That's not public knowledge. Yet.

Okay, so final couple of questions.
Has any Seer tried to See into the time that caused the mass earth exodus and find out who was the guy who defeated them all? Has that worked?
And would we have still gotten those dreams with Gohan if we hadn't rolled positive for being a Seer?

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They have tried, and tend to wander around with splitting headaches for days afterwards grumbling about how irritating gods are.

You would not have.

 

[DevilsAdvocate]

[X] No, they're not true
[X]--But there's not really anything we can do about it right now without playing into Lady Vegeta's hands. She pulled Father over a barrel by playing on how I got beat up while pushing Jaffur to Ascend--she lied to him, and he believed her enough that he was willing to hold me down while she did this. I will make this right somehow, I just need to figure out how to do it without destroying us as a people."

 

[Icefyre]

[X] No, they're not true
[X]--But there's not really anything we can do about it right now without playing into Lady Vegeta's hands. She pulled Father over a barrel by playing on how I got beat up while pushing Jaffur to Ascend--she lied to him, and he believed her enough that he was willing to hold me down while she did this. I will make this right somehow, I just need to figure out how to do it without destroying us as a people."