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Can we talk about how Berra is also a shitty, parent? he neglected Mato, and only paid any attention to Mato when he was fighting with Karkara, a fight that ended when his preteen daughter had to be the bigger person, then he went right back to neglecting Mato.
 
Can we talk about how Berra is also a shitty, parent? he neglected Mato, and only paid any attention to Mato when he was fighting with Karkara, a fight that ended when his preteen daughter had to be the bigger person, then he went right back to neglecting Mato.
I don't have a problem with criticizing Berra for having been a neglectful father to Mato for the past few years. This is a problem that's very common for younger siblings of chronic overachievers (such as Kakara), but a really good parent will compensate for it hard enough that it isn't an issue. And even a pretty good parent will do a much better job than Berra has.

One can make excuses (he is stupidly busy, for one), but it's not fair to Mato and it's not right and Berra totally deserves to be criticized for this.

Ah. This is where I failed my communications check. Let me try to fix this. From Berra's understanding of the Sealing he knows it takes away (or if you want to argue semantics - seals) all memories of the Saiyan race, and (while not directly stated) he should also know that the memories that are replaced with ones that fit the mask. My personal opinion is that a person is what their experiences make of them. Permanently take that all away, and they are dead. Fill that empty void with different experiences and you make a new person.
Since no part of the real person Jaffur has been destroyed, Jaffur isn't dead. Even if the Sealing had worked as intended, we have no reason to think that any part of Jaffur would be destroyed. Separated out and locked in a box, yes. Destroyed, no.

If deactivating something and locking a piece of it in a box is the same as "destroying" something... then we all destroy a lot of things quite often.

Call the two one and the same is wrong to me, with the sealing made disgusting by the nature of what the filling was.
Firstly,

Secondly, Berra is not a wizard and doesn't know a single thing about the "nature of what the filling was"

For reference, look the invisatext of Jaffur's sealing, particularly the last few lines. The invisatext is marked in red for your convenience...
To have even a meaningful hint of the contents of that invisatext, you would have to be a wizard.

So now it sounds like your contempt for Berra is caused by the fact that Berra is not a wizard. This sounds, to say the least, unfair.

Can you see why I hate the sealing so much [in the invisatext]? Can you see how it could overflow to hating Berra for his part in it?
Well, it COULD, but you'd have to be extremely unfair and hate people just by association with events they knew nothing of and wouldn't have consented to if they'd known.

Generally, when I realize I'm being that kind of unfair, I stop. I don't try to keep justifying it.

I apologize if using it as a comparison personally offended you in any way. I don't have an example off the top of my head that I could have substituted for the comparison I wanted to make.
The problem is, you're saying "I hate him like I would hate him for being a Nazi," and that only makes sense if you can provide good reasons to show that Berra is as bad as a Nazi. Otherwise it just comes across as you being melodramatic and exaggerating, which is either an insult to Berra, or a demeaning of the victims of real Nazis by downplaying just how bad their actions were.
 
Can we just drop the topic for a few weeks?

I mean its going around in circles and the thread seems like it needs a good strong purge from that kind of argument for a while, to return to the previously happy atmosphere
 
Can we just drop the topic for a few weeks?

I mean its going around in circles and the thread seems like it needs a good strong purge from that kind of argument for a while, to return to the previously happy atmosphere

Yes. In an attempt to get some discussion going about literally anything else, I feel an Omake coming on.

I'm going to write an alternative version of either the conversation with the Senzus (if Plan Tea Party had won) or an alternative version of the conversation with Sensei (if the joking comment about 'vaporising him and receiving a bomb he mailed us right after') had won.

I just don't know which. It'll be 24 hours or so before I can write it, so feel free to discuss! You can even message me with ideas (or rate my post 'Insightful' for Tea Party or 'Hugs' for Mail Bomb).

Either way, it'll be non-canon as hell and hopefully amusing.

Edit: 'A Series of Unfortunate Events' is posted below, changed from working title 'Mail Bomb'. It came out a lot darker than I'd intended. My muse has started listening to emo music and wearing a lot of black, it seems.
 
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[Pictures Kakara in Golden Giant Monkey form using sheer telekinetic might to forcibly immobilize several berserk giant monkeys into having a tea party whether they like it or not.]
 
Le sigh. I failed another communication check. Let's try again. rolling 1d100 ... 99. So I've got a chance this time.


Since no part of the real person Jaffur has been destroyed, Jaffur isn't dead. Even if the Sealing had worked as intended, we have no reason to think that any part of Jaffur would be destroyed. Separated out and locked in a box, yes. Destroyed, no.

Where in my statement did I use the word destroyed? Seriously where? It must have been my very first post which was more emotional venting than actual logic because in the post you quoted I used "takes away" "seals" and "permanently take [that all] away".


???

I think there was supposed to be something here that got cut off for you (happens to me sometimes too)

Secondly, Berra is not a wizard and doesn't know a single thing about the "nature of what the filling was"

To have even a meaningful hint of the contents of that invisatext, you would have to be a wizard.

So now it sounds like your contempt for Berra is caused by the fact that Berra is not a wizard. This sounds, to say the least, unfair.

All I argued for Berra specifically was that the replacement memories would fill in the blanks that would fit the mask. The disgusting part of the sealing comes from the extra bit we get to see in the invisatext. I don't argue that Berra should know what is part of the invisatext.


Well, it COULD, but you'd have to be extremely unfair and hate people just by association with events they knew nothing of and wouldn't have consented to if they'd known.

Generally, when I realize I'm being that kind of unfair, I stop. I don't try to keep justifying it.

The problem is, you're saying "I hate him like I would hate him for being a Nazi," and that only makes sense if you can provide good reasons to show that Berra is as bad as a Nazi. Otherwise it just comes across as you being melodramatic and exaggerating, which is either an insult to Berra, or a demeaning of the victims of real Nazis by downplaying just how bad their actions were.

I really don't enjoy defending Nazi's, but I dislike being called melodramatic more. It's one of my trigger words.

Look at your first sentence. You say you shouldn't hate by association. Look at your last paragraph where you do just that. Not all Nazis worked in death camps, not all of them even knew about death camps, and not all that knew about them agreed with their existence.

Look, it might have been going too far to use the Nazi soldier in a death camp comparison. I should have been more specific and compared him to one that guarded the camp perimeter or manned the trains, not used a generalization that included the ones that were directly committing the atrocities. And I know it isn't the same, but it is somewhat comparable. A better example would have been one that worked a concentration camp that was not a death camp. An even better example would (probably) have been working a POW camp. Actually, that one might not be considering how Russian POWs were treated, so I retract the POW camp.

I'll reuse my reasoning, word for word, "While the ultimate blame does not rest with him, the horrific event could not have occurred without his cooperation. He has reasons that personally justify his actions and make him think he is in the right, while from an outside perspective he really wasn't."

Does the ultimate blame for the Sealing lie with Berra? Does the ultimate blame for the Holocaust lie with Nazi soldiers who ran the trains to the camps?
Could the Sealing have happened as is did without Berra's cooperation? Could the Holocaust have happened as it did without the Nazi soldiers cooperating by following their orders to run the trains?
Did Berra have reasoning that justified his actions to himself? Did the Nazi soldiers running the trains have reasoning that personally justified their actions to themselves?
From an outside perspective, with more information than Berra, was what he did right? From an outside perspective, with more information than the soldiers, was what they did right?

I'll admit my use of the word "right" in my reasoning probably put it too close to good and evil. I probably should have used the word "justifed" again in it's place.


This took way too long to write out. As I'm tired of having to justify my dislike for Berra, and my arguments in general, I'll do my best to not respond if anyone wants the last word here. Time to get some food and to (maybe) do Jaffur 3.
 
To have even a meaningful hint of the contents of that invisatext, you would have to be a wizard.

So now it sounds like your contempt for Berra is caused by the fact that Berra is not a wizard. This sounds, to say the least, unfair.
Perhaps, If Berra didn't make a rash judgement due to a weird complex about his own fuck-ups in the past, and instead made sure he had all the info first we wouldn't be pissed.
 
[Tries to step the hell away the round of... stuff... regarding Nazi analogies, quietly going "NOPE NOPE NOPE"]

Perhaps, If Berra didn't make a rash judgement due to a weird complex about his own fuck-ups in the past, and instead made sure he had all the info first we wouldn't be pissed.
Most of the relevant information was information Dandeer had a monopoly on. Either Dandeer told the truth to Berra, or she lied.

Hypothetically, if Dandeer was telling the truth, then frankly Berra had reasons to do what he did, because if Dandeer wasn't lying about Jaffur's behavior then it would be reasonable to consider Jaffur a menace. That might be unfair to Jaffur, but the prospect of a violently insane super-saiyan in a world with as few other super-saiyans as Exile-era Garenhuld is something you can't afford to take chances with.

Of course, most of us probably think Dandeer was lying about at least some of the relevant facts. I know I do.

But if so, Berra had no way of detecting her lies because he isn't a wizard. Furthermore, Berra would have no good reason to suspect Dandeer of lies that would harm her own child. Did she lie about having been assaulted by Jaffur and badly injured? Why would she do that? Why would Berra think he needed to 'investigate' that in the first place? Did she lie about how Sealing works? How would Berra investigate that, given that time is a factor and that even highly skilled wizards seem to have trouble fully understanding how it works?

If Berra made a bad decision here, it was because Dandeer grossly abused his trust, in a situation where he had no reason to expect her to lie, and considerable reason to expect that she would have Jaffur's best interests at heart.
 
Why would Berra think he needed to 'investigate' that in the first place?
Because this involves sealing the leadership of the entire Vegetan clan and creating the biggest Political Crisis since the clans were united by the head of the Vegetan clan. Due diligence is necessary.
but the prospect of a violently insane super-saiyan in a world with as few other super-saiyans as Exile-era Garenhuld is something you can't afford to take chances with.
And cutting in half the number of super-saiyans and sending the entire political system into disarray is also the sort of thing you don't take chances with.
 
Le sigh. I failed another communication check. Let's try again. rolling 1d100 ... 99. So I've got a chance this time.




Where in my statement did I use the word destroyed? Seriously where? It must have been my very first post which was more emotional venting than actual logic because in the post you quoted I used "takes away" "seals" and "permanently take [that all] away".



???

I think there was supposed to be something here that got cut off for you (happens to me sometimes too)



All I argued for Berra specifically was that the replacement memories would fill in the blanks that would fit the mask. The disgusting part of the sealing comes from the extra bit we get to see in the invisatext. I don't argue that Berra should know what is part of the invisatext.




I really don't enjoy defending Nazi's, but I dislike being called melodramatic more. It's one of my trigger words.

Look at your first sentence. You say you shouldn't hate by association. Look at your last paragraph where you do just that. Not all Nazis worked in death camps, not all of them even knew about death camps, and not all that knew about them agreed with their existence.

Look, it might have been going too far to use the Nazi soldier in a death camp comparison. I should have been more specific and compared him to one that guarded the camp perimeter or manned the trains, not used a generalization that included the ones that were directly committing the atrocities. And I know it isn't the same, but it is somewhat comparable. A better example would have been one that worked a concentration camp that was not a death camp. An even better example would (probably) have been working a POW camp. Actually, that one might not be considering how Russian POWs were treated, so I retract the POW camp.

I'll reuse my reasoning, word for word, "While the ultimate blame does not rest with him, the horrific event could not have occurred without his cooperation. He has reasons that personally justify his actions and make him think he is in the right, while from an outside perspective he really wasn't."

Does the ultimate blame for the Sealing lie with Berra? Does the ultimate blame for the Holocaust lie with Nazi soldiers who ran the trains to the camps?
Could the Sealing have happened as is did without Berra's cooperation? Could the Holocaust have happened as it did without the Nazi soldiers cooperating by following their orders to run the trains?
Did Berra have reasoning that justified his actions to himself? Did the Nazi soldiers running the trains have reasoning that personally justified their actions to themselves?
From an outside perspective, with more information than Berra, was what he did right? From an outside perspective, with more information than the soldiers, was what they did right?

I'll admit my use of the word "right" in my reasoning probably put it too close to good and evil. I probably should have used the word "justifed" again in it's place.


This took way too long to write out. As I'm tired of having to justify my dislike for Berra, and my arguments in general, I'll do my best to not respond if anyone wants the last word here. Time to get some food and to (maybe) do Jaffur 3.

Ok... I am confused. I also know I am going to regret asking but here it goes:

So, if we use your comparison of Berra being a perimeter guard that doesn't know what is going on (which it still doesn't feel like an apropriate comparison) Do you hate said guards or being justified doing so?
 
Ok... I am confused. I also know I am going to regret asking but here it goes:

So, if we use your comparison of Berra being a perimeter guard that doesn't know what is going on (which it still doesn't feel like an apropriate comparison) Do you hate said guards or being justified doing so?

"Do you hate said guards or being justified doing so?" -- You might be missing a word or two here.

Only association hate, truth be told. The hate for the event and those who are actually responsible spills over onto them. Sure they enabled it, but they themselves didn't truly do anything horrible. But since they didn't do anything to stop it, and that it couldn't have happened if they just did nothing it's stronger than hate for bystanders (who do nothing but are not responsible for nor do they enable anything).

Did that make any sense? I only rolled a 30 this time.
 
You're assuming negative feelings, or blame requires such fairness. :whistle:
Not so much "assuming" as "aspiring to. "

Because 'association hate' and so on are deeply toxic and lead to a lot of very bad decisions. I try hard NOT to hate people who don't objectively deserve to be thought of very badly.

Because this involves sealing the leadership of the entire Vegetan clan and creating the biggest Political Crisis since the clans were united by the head of the Vegetan clan. Due diligence is necessary.
Berra spent at least several hours thinking this over between his conversation with Dandeer and the actual Sealing, as I recall. What do you think he was doing during that time?

And cutting in half the number of super-saiyans and sending the entire political system into disarray is also the sort of thing you don't take chances with.
A super-saiyan who is also a lunatic is, in the Garenhuld cultural frame of reference, a liability. Not an asset. The threat a mad super-saiyan creates by existing and being too powerful to restrain is much greater than the value he'd have towards the overall defense of the community (against what?)

And who's to say Berra didn't consider the politics? The political calculus here is totally separate from the ethical calculus, which is what we'd been talking about previously. Berra might well think any of the following:

1) "Sealing Jaffur is politically unwise and morally repugnant. No way!"
2) "Sealing Jaffur is politically beneficial to me (the Gokun lord), but morally repugnant. No way!"
3) "Sealing Jaffur is politically beneficial to me (the Gokun lord), but morally repugnant. Let's do this!"
4) "Sealing Jaffur is politically unwise, but morally the right thing to do. No way!"
5) "Sealing Jaffur is politically unwise, but morally the right thing to do. Let's do this!"
6) "Sealing Jaffur is politically beneficial AND morally right. Let's do this!"

And any of those six possibilities could be informed by true or false statements by Dandeer, true or false beliefs about the effects of Lord Vegeta's abuse on Jaffur's personality, warranted or unwarranted fears for his daughter or for the saiyan community, and so on.

About the only one of the six decisions I CAN'T really imagine Berra Goku making would be (3).

[EDIT: Since we know he decided 'Let's do this!' I infer he must have believed either (5) or (6).]
 
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Berra spent at least several hours thinking this over between his conversation with Dandeer and the actual Sealing, as I recall. What do you think he was doing during that time?
You miss my point this is the sort of thing you don't just give "thought" you investigate you question everyone involved.
About the only one of the six decisions I CAN'T really imagine Berra Goku making would be (3).
IIRC it was explicitly stated somewhere that a lot of Berra's reactions come from him trying to "right his wrongs" in his dealings with vegeta.
 
You miss my point this is the sort of thing you don't just give "thought" you investigate you question everyone involved.
If you're not worried about physical disasters happening, absolutely.

If you're worried about Jaffur powering up and murdering his mother, or some innocent bystander, or maybe even going berserk on your daughter... you may not take so much time about things. Berra had to be worrying about that possibility.

Furthermore, I strongly suspect that Dandeer would have told him (and it is in my opinion probably even true) that she CAN reverse the Sealing if it proves necessary, even if no one else can. Berra may well have believed, and may still believe, that once Jaffur comes of age and has the maturity he's gaining in his life as a forcibly-Masqued human, he will one day be 'unlocked,' given access to his powers without his unhappy memories, and regain control of his clan.*

[I can't prove that, but as far as I know it's a hypothesis that fits the facts]

Of course, that's predicated on the (false) belief that "Jared" is in fact just a memory-altered version of Jaffur, as opposed to the reality (unknown to all save the conspiracy) that Jaffur is an entirely separate personality trapped inside his own brain, fully retaining his own memories, while Jared lives his life for him.

*[EDIT: Dandeer doesn't agree, and Berra knows that, but may be convinced he can wear down her resistance when the time comes.]

IIRC it was explicitly stated somewhere that a lot of Berra's reactions come from him trying to "right his wrongs" in his dealings with vegeta.
Frankly, yes- which may have influenced Berra's thinking in terms of whether it was morally right to Seal Jaffur's saiyan powers and memories as the price of locking away his memories of abuse.

EDIT:

Remember what it looked like to Kakara the first time they tried to Seal Jaffur, when he popped the Senzu bean and transformed to stop them:

With a crazed roar and a pulse of sheer might, Jaffur shatters the stone around him with the strength of his aura, and you contemplate with stunned terror that his zenkai from his father has given him fully forty million extra power units to play with -- all the way up to roughly fifty-five. And then -- then, he transforms.

It is overpowering. It is obscene. You would wet yourself if there was even a scrap of urine in your bladder to release. You have never known true terror before -- you thought you had yesterday, but that was nothing. Lord Vegeta's fury was focused, cold, and intent on cruelty rather than murder.

But Jaffur's insane, pulsing presence screams only of death.

And then, finally, Dad transforms and powers up to his full potential. The world is right again, and the strongest man around is the best man around, and free from the insanity that Jaffur seems to bleed.

But Jaffur isn't done. He stares at your Dad, eyes wild, and then doubles down, screaming as his aura flares. "I won't let you take me! I won't! SUPER KAIO-KEN...TIMES TEN!"
I suspect this rather reaffirmed Berra's decision in his own mind. If he had doubts before, I'm pretty sure he didn't afterwards.
 
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Non-Canon Omake: A Series of Unfortunate Events
An Omake, entitled A Series of Unfortunate Events. I'm not entirely happy with it, but I did promise to publish something. I know Kakara's characterization is off, but honestly it's based on a joke vote that is very out of character for her, so that's sorta unavoidable.

A follow up to the threadmark here, if a completely different path had been chosen. Initial paragraphs stolen from the linked post and slightly modified at the end.

Suffice to say, it's non-canon. I tried to keep it compliant with the setting's rules, but doubt Seeing can work quite in this way. The sorcery is almost all conjecture.

You know what? Probably completely non-compliant.


"Whose mind? You need to find them, right now, get down on your knees, and beg their forgiveness for the trespass. You will explain that it was unintentional, I shall grab one of my Sorcerer friends to swear the person you visited to secrecy about the whole chat before sending them out of earshot, and you will immediately convince your Lord Father to offer whatever recompense is necessary. The mind is sacrosanct, Kakara. You do not enter it, not without permission and as a last resort even then. When you're there, the other person by default can't see you or detect you until you're already touching something. Anybody whose mind you enter is in far more danger than you'll ever be. So you're going to offer your apologies, and I am going to start drilling you on this immediately. It's not your fault, but this cannot happen again. Done intentionally, tampering with somebody's mind is a hideous and abhorrent breach of trust. So yes. I will teach you Mind Projection. Because apparently the standard regimen simply isn't going to take in your case." He stands up from his chair, looking decidedly more frazzled than he was a minute ago, and begins pacing in an infrequently-used corner of the room. "Now: who was it?"

Oh. Crud.

You bite your lip and fiddle with your hands. "Um..."

His eyes narrow. "Scion Kakara..."

You laugh nervously. "Well, you see..."

"Answer me immediately."

Composure Check: Oh My, no.

You freeze. Sensei is Vegetan, you think, Sensei has only heard the 'official' story of the Sealing. A thin sheen of sweat appears on your forehead. What if he hates it? What if he hates me? What if he tells?.

You barely notice that your breath is coming faster and faster.

In fact, you think, mind racing down this track, he's probably going to tell Dandeer! She's going to find out what happened and Seal him again! She's going to kill Jaffur!

You barely even notice that your hands have clenched into fists, and don't notice at all when they come together.

"Kakara?" Sensei asks, pausing his pacing.

It's not a vision. You know what visions feel like, and it can't be one. But in your mind's eye, all you can see is that endless white room, and the rage and hate and anger that's locked away. And that tiny smile. That smile that is going to die.

"kamehameha" you hear yourself murmur, aura spiking briefly to a paltry 20 million.

Sensei's eyes barely have time to widen as the blue beam strikes. Ki waves don't travel at anything like the speed of light. They're not even as fast as the speed of sound. But Sensei's power level right now is only 1,297,332. It might as well be instantaneous, given the distance.

And now his power level is gone.

You look out the new window in the side of the house, past the smoke slowly curling from your cupped hands.

Was that...you? Did you do that? Sensei is de...gone?

It is a sad fact of psychology that the mind can only take so much. The mind can bend in some truly amazing ways, but can be broken like anything else. For a time, your brain wars against itself. Sensei can't be gone! Why did he make you do that? Maybe if you close your eyes and wish really hard, he'll come back? Even Vegetans don't have a bow designed for screw-ups this massive!

You don't know how long you're standing there, but it can't be long. The thick 'slap' of a stack of papers hitting the ground breaks you out of the spirals your mind has been running in. Something just fell out of the space in the walls, having been just barely missed by your blast.

You walk around the couch, eyes sliding away from the blackened scoop taken out of the top of one of the cushions.

There's a thick yellow envelope on the floor, with a name printed on it in large black letters. Your name.

As you open it, you notice that your fingers aren't tremblinb any longer. Inside is a stack of envelopes, numbered one through fifteen, and a pink envelope labelled "Read me first."

Kakara, the first letter begins, "if you're reading this, I'm dead. I was blasted into atoms, and this envelope fell out of the wall of my house, where I'm going to hide it momentarily. There's about five more hidden in other places, but if you're reading this one then they don't matter. Please don't tear up my walls looking for them - houses in the middle of wastelands are expensive and I'd prefer this one to be as undamaged as possible when my brother inherits it.

I don't know who kills me, Kakara, and I don't know how far into your education we've gotten, so I'm not going to prattle on about how I knew where to put this or what shifted the future onto this track. Suffice to say, I knew that if I died by this wall, in a way that made a hole in the right place to drop this package, you'd be the first one on the scene.

Now, on to the envelopes. Envelopes one through six are letters to my friends and family. I'd appreciate if they were delivered unopened, but it isn't like I can stop you from reading them if you want. You'll find a list of who to give each one to in a later envelope.


Mutely, you set aside the first six envelopes, before you continue reading. If my couch is intact, you need to fly away NOW. Tell your Father to gather the rest of the Nobles - the Enemy is here. This branch of the future is clouded over very heavily, so I don't know what's going to happen, but I know it's bad. For all of your sakes, I hope my couch is damaged.

You eye the half-circle of scorched fabric that your blast put into the couch, unsure if Sensei would be happy about it or not, given the circumstances. "He'd probably be happier to be alive to see it," a traitorous voice in your mind whispers. You ignore it studiously, and continue reading.

If you're still reading this, good. It means the planet is likely to survive for a long time, yet. If you're wearing matching socks, go ahead and open envelope seven. If your feet are bare, open envelope 13.

This morning, when you were dressing, you couldn't find matching socks. Mato must have been messing around again - he's been acting passive-aggressive for a while, and that's recently changed from crushing your cereal and chips to powder to hiding your socks. Man, visions are weird.

If you're still reading, look out of the hole. If you can see the sun, open envelope eight. If everything is on fire, why are you calmly reading this letter?

You glance out the hole. Nope, no sun visible. And nothing is burning.

MADE YOU LOOK! That might be my final lesson for you, Kakara, so take it to heart: Seers, of all people, need to know better than to take everything seriously. Find humor where you can, when you can. Some of the things you will See will be terrible, and far too many good Seers let it destroy them.

Now, since the couch is damaged, the sun isn't shining through my newest window, and your socks don't match, open envelope 9.
He's signed his name at the bottom of the page.

You pick up envelope nine and open it, wincing as the paper cuts your finger. You hold the newest letter in your left hand, idly sucking on the papercut.

I'm sorry, Kakara. If you're reading this, I was killed by someone close to you. The vision wasn't completely clear, but I did see the young Vegetan Scion smiling cruelly. I fear the Seal you fought so hard to place has broken, and a monster shaped by rage and fuelled by vengeance has been unleashed upon Garenhuld. Set this letter down to your left and open envelope 13. Inside you'll find the solution.

You wonder where Sensei went wrong in his visions as you set the letter to your left. A sickening feeling has been building as you read the letter, spreading from your stomach to your throat as your traitorous mind processes the thought that you killed someone. As the paper hits the floor, your spine begins to tingle. Your dad will be here any moment, there's no way he could have missed the power you spiked to, or not felt the blast.

You resign yourself to facing his Judgement, and reach for envelope 13.

Did you know, the letter inside begins, that Sorcery can do some amazing things? Of course, you were there for the Sealing, and you've seen wards virtually every day of your life. But did you know that some wards are incredibly subtle? Some are so subtle that they are barely even noticed. One of these is a power-sapping ward. Don't worry - it doesn't actually drain a person's ki. But they can be set up to capture the power of ki blasts. There's some of these in the warding scheme of the Training Hall. I don't pretend to understand it all myself, but I have a Sorceror friend who described it to me like a battery. These wards pull in power from blasts and can store it, or use it to power other effects. For instance, in the trainig hall, these wards help power the other wards that hide our power levels from detection.

One of those wards was in the wall. It was destroyed, of course, but it did its job. It powered another set of wards. But they will stay largely inactive, unless they're triggered.


The chill in your spine spreads and gets colder as you keep reading.

It's hard to get wards set up for a proper time-delay. My friend was curing up a storm as he set up all the wards, and the only way to get the most important one working was to set it up to be triggered by blood. Tell me, Kakara, how's your finger?

Your eyes fall to the paper you placed to your left, noticing the tiny red spot on the corner, from where it sliced your finger. The delay costs you, as you feel the wards that had been building up finally snap to full strength.

Your power level plummets. The suppression wards are working overtime, disrupting your ki control. Suddenly you find yourself sitting at a power level of 7, with ki control worse than you can ever remember having. A ghostly image forms directly in front of you. Sensei stands there, created by either some sort of hologram technology or magic, and says simply, "I don't know why you killed me, Kakara. But I can return the favor."

Then the explosives concealed beneath the floorboards trigger, and you know no more.


As always, feedback is welcomed.
 
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An Omake, entitled A Series of Unfortunate Events. I'm not entirely happy with it, but I did promise to publish something. I know Kakara's characterization is off, but honestly it's based on a joke vote that is very out of character for her, so that's sorta unavoidable.

A follow up to the threadmark here, if a completely different path had been chosen. Initial paragraphs stolen from the linked post and slightly modified at the end.

Suffice to say, it's non-canon. I tried to keep it compliant with the setting's rules, but doubt Seeing can work quite in this way. The sorcery is almost all conjecture.

You know what? Probably completely non-compliant.


"Whose mind? You need to find them, right now, get down on your knees, and beg their forgiveness for the trespass. You will explain that it was unintentional, I shall grab one of my Sorcerer friends to swear the person you visited to secrecy about the whole chat before sending them out of earshot, and you will immediately convince your Lord Father to offer whatever recompense is necessary. The mind is sacrosanct, Kakara. You do not enter it, not without permission and as a last resort even then. When you're there, the other person by default can't see you or detect you until you're already touching something. Anybody whose mind you enter is in far more danger than you'll ever be. So you're going to offer your apologies, and I am going to start drilling you on this immediately. It's not your fault, but this cannot happen again. Done intentionally, tampering with somebody's mind is a hideous and abhorrent breach of trust. So yes. I will teach you Mind Projection. Because apparently the standard regimen simply isn't going to take in your case." He stands up from his chair, looking decidedly more frazzled than he was a minute ago, and begins pacing in an infrequently-used corner of the room. "Now: who was it?"

Oh. Crud.

You bite your lip and fiddle with your hands. "Um..."

His eyes narrow. "Scion Kakara..."

You laugh nervously. "Well, you see..."

"Answer me immediately."

Composure Check: Oh My, no.

You freeze. Sensei is Vegetan, you think, Sensei has only heard the 'official' story of the Sealing. A thin sheen of sweat appears on your forehead. What if he hates it? What if he hates me? What if he tells?.

You barely notice that your breath is coming faster and faster.

In fact, you think, mind racing down this track, he's probably going to tell Dandeer! She's going to find out what happened and Seal him again! She's going to kill Jaffur!

You barely even notice that your hands have clenched into fists, and don't notice at all when they come together.

"Kakara?" Sensei asks, pausing his pacing.

It's not a vision. You know what visions feel like, and it can't be one. But in your mind's eye, all you can see is that endless white room, and the rage and hate and anger that's locked away. And that tiny smile. That smile that is going to die.

"kamehameha" you hear yourself murmur, aura spiking briefly to a paltry 20 million.

Sensei's eyes barely have time to widen as the blue beam strikes. Ki waves don't travel at anything like the speed of light. They're not even as fast as the speed of sound. But Sensei's power level right now is only 1,297,332. It might as well be instantaneous, given the distance.

And now his power level is gone.

You look out the new window in the side of the house, past the smoke slowly curling from your cupped hands.

Was that...you? Did you do that? Sensei is de...gone?

It is a sad fact of psychology that the mind can only take so much. The mind can bend in some truly amazing ways, but can be broken like anything else. For a time, your brain wars against itself. Sensei can't be gone! Why did he make you do that? Maybe if you close your eyes and wish really hard, he'll come back? Even Vegetans don't have a bow designed for screw-ups this massive!

You don't know how long you're standing there, but it can't be long. The thick 'slap' of a stack of papers hitting the ground breaks you out of the spirals your mind has been running in. Something just fell out of the space in the walls, having been just barely missed by your blast.

You walk around the couch, eyes sliding away from the blackened scoop taken out of the top of one of the cushions.

There's a thick yellow envelope on the floor, with a name printed on it in large black letters. Your name.

As you open it, you notice that your fingers aren't tremblinb any longer. Inside is a stack of envelopes, numbered one through fifteen, and a pink envelope labelled "Read me first."

Kakara, the first letter begins, "if you're reading this, I'm dead. I was blasted into atoms, and this envelope fell out of the wall of my house, where I'm going to hide it momentarily. There's about five more hidden in other places, but if you're reading this one then they don't matter. Please don't tear up my walls looking for them - houses in the middle of wastelands are expensive and I'd prefer this one to be as undamaged as possible when my brother inherits it.

I don't know who kills me, Kakara, and I don't know how far into your education we've gotten, so I'm not going to prattle on about how I knew where to put this or what shifted the future onto this track. Suffice to say, I knew that if I died by this wall, in a way that made a hole in the right place to drop this package, you'd be the first one on the scene.

Now, on to the envelopes. Envelopes one through six are letters to my friends and family. I'd appreciate if they were delivered unopened, but it isn't like I can stop you from reading them if you want. You'll find a list of who to give each one to in a later envelope.


Mutely, you set aside the first six envelopes, before you continue reading. If my couch is intact, you need to fly away NOW. Tell your Father to gather the rest of the Nobles - the Enemy is here. This branch of the future is clouded over very heavily, so I don't know what's going to happen, but I know it's bad. For all of your sakes, I hope my couch is damaged.

You eye the half-circle of scorched fabric that your blast put into the couch, unsure if Sensei would be happy about it or not, given the circumstances. "He'd probably be happier to be alive to see it," a traitorous voice in your mind whispers. You ignore it studiously, and continue reading.

If you're still reading this, good. It means the planet is likely to survive for a long time, yet. If you're wearing matching socks, go ahead and open envelope seven. If your feet are bare, open envelope 13.

This morning, when you were dressing, you couldn't find matching socks. Mato must have been messing around again - he's been acting passive-aggressive for a while, and that's recently changed from crushing your cereal and chips to powder to hiding your socks. Man, visions are weird.

If you're still reading, look out of the hole. If you can see the sun, open envelope eight. If everything is on fire, why are you calmly reading this letter?

You glance out the hole. Nope, no sun visible. And nothing is burning.

MADE YOU LOOK! That might be my final lesson for you, Kakara, so take it to heart: Seers, of all people, need to know better than to take everything seriously. Find humor where you can, when you can. Some of the things you will See will be terrible, and far too many good Seers let it destroy them.

Now, since the couch is damaged, the sun isn't shining through my newest window, and your socks don't match, open envelope 9.
He's signed his name at the bottom of the page.

You pick up envelope nine and open it, wincing as the paper cuts your finger. You hold the newest letter in your left hand, idly sucking on the papercut.

I'm sorry, Kakara. If you're reading this, I was killed by someone close to you. The vision wasn't completely clear, but I did see the young Vegetan Scion smiling cruelly. I fear the Seal you fought so hard to place has broken, and a monster shaped by rage and fuelled by vengeance has been unleashed upon Garenhuld. Set this letter down to your left and open envelope 13. Inside you'll find the solution.

You wonder where Sensei went wrong in his visions as you set the letter to your left. A sickening feeling has been building as you read the letter, spreading from your stomach to your throat as your traitorous mind processes the thought that you killed someone. As the paper hits the floor, your spine begins to tingle. Your dad will be here any moment, there's no way he could have missed the power you spiked to, or not felt the blast.

You resign yourself to facing his Judgement, and reach for envelope 13.

Did you know, the letter inside begins, that Sorcery can do some amazing things? Of course, you were there for the Sealing, and you've seen wards virtually every day of your life. But did you know that some wards are incredibly subtle? Some are so subtle that they are barely even noticed. One of these is a power-sapping ward. Don't worry - it doesn't actually drain a person's ki. But they can be set up to capture the power of ki blasts. There's some of these in the warding scheme of the Training Hall. I don't pretend to understand it all myself, but I have a Sorceror friend who described it to me like a battery. These wards pull in power from blasts and can store it, or use it to power other effects. For instance, in the trainig hall, these wards help power the other wards that hide our power levels from detection.

One of those wards was in the wall. It was destroyed, of course, but it did its job. It powered another set of wards. But they will stay largely inactive, unless they're triggered.


The chill in your spine spreads and gets colder as you keep reading.

It's hard to get wards set up for a proper time-delay. My friend was curing up a storm as he set up all the wards, and the only way to get the most important one working was to set it up to be triggered by blood. Tell me, Kakara, how's your finger?

Your eyes fall to the paper you placed to your left, noticing the tiny red spot on the corner, from where it sliced your finger. The delay costs you, as you feel the wards that had been building up finally snap to full strength.

Your power level plummets. The suppression wards are working overtime, disrupting your ki control. Suddenly you find yourself sitting at a power level of 7, with ki control worse than you can ever remember having. A ghostly image forms directly in front of you. Sensei stands there, created by either some sort of hologram technology or magic, and says simply, "I don't know why you killed me, Kakara. But I can return the favor."

Then the explosives concealed beneath the floorboards trigger, and you know no more.


As always, feedback is welcomed.

Dark...
 

Believe it or not, I set out to write humor. I hope there's still some in there, but my muse has gotten really emo lately. Any time I tried writing it as a silly crack piece, it just got away from me.

That was some very good gallows humor.

I mean seriously. That was, like, David Drake level gallows humor.

Thanks! Drake is one of the authors I enjoy reading, so it isn't surprising that my writing might tend towards his style.
 
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Believe it or not, I set out to write humor. I hope there's still some in there, but my muse has gotten really emo lately. Any time I tried writing it as a silly crack piece, it just got away from me.



Thanks! Drake is one of the authors I enjoy reading, so it isn't surprising that my writing might tend towards his style.
So....Sensei prepared Explosive Runes?
 
That was some very good gallows humor.

I mean seriously. That was, like, David Drake level gallows humor.

Oh hey. I'm aware he wrote other stuff but I only ever read the Lord of the Isles. Well. The whole series, I mean. Not just the first book. Sorta surprised to see other people having read his stuff, given all my efforts to find Lord of the Isles fanfic never amounted to anything.
 
Oh hey. I'm aware he wrote other stuff but I only ever read the Lord of the Isles. Well. The whole series, I mean. Not just the first book. Sorta surprised to see other people having read his stuff, given all my efforts to find Lord of the Isles fanfic never amounted to anything.

If you're interested, you can find some of his works (licensed for free electronic sharing) here. Just pull down the 'Slammers CD' (cd number 3). The later CDs have better indexes, but less of his stuff. That one is all Drake books.

All told, there's about 23 CDs there with probably about 70 unique books between them. It includes all of Weber's flagship 'Honor Harrington' series, and lots of other great SF and Fantasy.
 
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