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Dragon Ball: After the End

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You know we won't be able to wish for immortality right?

If you ask why, think back to all the times the dragon balls have been used, what do most of those have in common?
 
KaintukeeBob said:
What if it's immortality for us AND the Misfits?
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Also not getting my vote.
I'd vote for, say, "extended lifespan, say 300-600 years, with very long youth/physical prime". Or even just "give me 1 full 'reset' to my physical prime at the end of my life", or "normal/natural life span, but my body doesn't age much beyond hair color and some wrinkles, and if I don't die in battle I just pass peacefully in the night".
I just don't see a reason to make any of us immortal except to bring misery to us in a few decades/centuries.

I mean, say we make ourselves and the Misfits immortal. In 20 years, what about our spouses and kids?
Then what about their kids and spouses?
Then theirs?
And on and on until there's millions of totally-immortal Saiyan Hybrids running around.
Or, alternatively, only Kakara and the current band of Misfits get immortality, and they get to watch everyone else they love and care about whither and die, over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
Do not fear Death. Death is just another path on the journey.
 
KnightDisciple said:
Do not fear Death. Death is just another path on the journey.
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I respectfully disagree, but we won't clutter this thread with that debate :)

That said, I have no problem with having a ruling class of immortal Saiyans/hybrids, so long as we retain the ability to shape the morality of the class, and imprison those who violate the rules (being immortal and bored is a terrible thing).

Y'know, so long as we get to rule it.

Wait, I forget, are we DBZ heroes or villains?
 
First Wish is the Golden Gun that will help us end The Enemy, subsequent wishes go into helping us develop widespread anti-agathics (that stop aging) since at that point I don't think we will have much to worry about enemy-wise.
 
ChronOblivion said:
First Wish is the Golden Gun that will help us end The Enemy, subsequent wishes go into helping us develop widespread anti-agathics (that stop aging) since at that point I don't think we will have much to worry about enemy-wise.
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. . .

That's a terrible plan. A 'Golden Gun' that can end The Enemy will no doubt also be capable of ending us, so you know the bad guy (or a future bad guy) will get it.

If it's one-shot, so it can't be stolen and used against us after we off the Enemy, you know that shot will miss The Enemy.

I'm beginning to think Oolong has the right of it. Let's wish for Bulma's panties (and/or a complete record of her scientific notes, including how capsules and spaceships and stuff work). I'm sure the notes she has/had on Gero's 'androids' would let us go Cyborg for a large number of people (hopefully without the amnesia) and that'll give us near-immortality!
 
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KnightDisciple said:
Or, alternatively, only Kakara and the current band of Misfits get immortality, and they get to watch everyone else they love and care about whither and die, over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over again.
Do not fear Death. Death is just another path on the journey.
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I hate this argument. I hate this argument so much. It's trotted out every time an immortal character exists as an easy source of angst, and I hate it. We don't kill ourselves when our friends die. We don't kill ourselves when our loved ones die. We already live long enough that we're liable to see many of those we care about die, and we make new friends and loved ones anyway. If you don't commit suicide when something bad happens, you are deciding "I'm going to keep on living in spite of this bad thing." And you make that choice every damn day.

I mean you can put a kill-switch in your immortality wish in case you get trapped somewhere sucky for eternity, or permanently crippled or whatnot, but would you honestly use it just because family #12 died? Given that you didn't for families #1-11, I think it'd be more likely you'd kill yourself out of boredom.
 
KaintukeeBob said:
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That's a terrible plan. A 'Golden Gun' that can end The Enemy will no doubt also be capable of ending us, so you know the bad guy (or a future bad guy) will get it.

If it's one-shot, so it can't be stolen and used against us after we off the Enemy, you know that shot will miss The Enemy.

I'm beginning to think Oolong has the right of it. Let's wish for Bulma's panties (and/or a complete record of her scientific notes, including how capsules and spaceships and stuff work). I'm sure the notes she has/had on Gero's 'androids' would let us go Cyborg for a large number of people (hopefully without the amnesia) and that'll give us near-immortality!
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Alright, so I know that Proper Paranoia is important, and that we should prepare for the worst outcome, but declaring that it will definitely go wrong somehow so we shouldn't even try is not sufficient reason to pass up an opportunity at what might be our only shot at destroying this thing. Wasting it on scientific notes would horrify me beyond belief, though it is something that could come after our existence as a species is no longer threatened. And if the thing being used on us afterwards is a worry, just break it. Literally that easy.

For background, from what I've heard of his dialogue, and the small bits of info we know about him, I've theorized that he is conceptually linked to Death and Entropy. Following Proper Paranoia, I am preparing for this fight with the assumption that mere Power will not be enough, no matter how much we manage to get. Gohan getting Blue Super Saiyan God, and then effectively getting twice that in his sacrifice of himself and Earth, still didn't seem to phase this thing. I am looking for something, anything, that can possibly stop someone that is "beyond death" and powerful enough to stroll over the Titans that preceded us. I do think that we will need to reach Blue Super Saiyan God to even stand up to him, but we need something more than that. And that is why my Wish is gonna go towards something that can truly fight him on the level that his existence seems to operate on. Spirit Bomb is an idea, but I have doubts that it will be something so obvious.
 
Deathbybunnies said:
I hate this argument. I hate this argument so much. It's trotted out every time an immortal character exists as an easy source of angst, and I hate it. We don't kill ourselves when our friends die. We don't kill ourselves when our loved ones die. We already live long enough that we're liable to see many of those we care about die, and we make new friends and loved ones anyway. If you don't commit suicide when something bad happens, you are deciding "I'm going to keep on living in spite of this bad thing." And you make that choice every damn day.

I mean you can put a kill-switch in your immortality wish in case you get trapped somewhere sucky for eternity, or permanently crippled or whatnot, but would you honestly use it just because family #12 died? Given that you didn't for families #1-11, I think it'd be more likely you'd kill yourself out of boredom.
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Or, you know, it builds up. Or this case was particularly bad. Or perhaps the fact that everyone dies meant they wouldn't kill themselves, but immortality means that they can't cope.

Honestly, I think the more likely explanation is that, having lived so long, you start losing track of what's happened and people start blurring together, causing relationship issues.

That's all on the basis you have a kill-switch.
 
Or you know, abuse time travel and the spoiler balls for some amusing effects. We might need a wish to kick start that kind of plan tho... Unless we figure something out...
 
Deathbybunnies said:
I hate this argument. I hate this argument so much. It's trotted out every time an immortal character exists as an easy source of angst, and I hate it. We don't kill ourselves when our friends die. We don't kill ourselves when our loved ones die. We already live long enough that we're liable to see many of those we care about die, and we make new friends and loved ones anyway. If you don't commit suicide when something bad happens, you are deciding "I'm going to keep on living in spite of this bad thing." And you make that choice every damn day.

I mean you can put a kill-switch in your immortality wish in case you get trapped somewhere sucky for eternity, or permanently crippled or whatnot, but would you honestly use it just because family #12 died? Given that you didn't for families #1-11, I think it'd be more likely you'd kill yourself out of boredom.
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*Takes several deep, long breaths to calm self*

You are purposefully twisting my point.

There is a difference between living on a time-scale that's the same, or at least understandable, by the standards of everyone we know, and living for so long we watch 100 generations of descendants be born, live, and die, all while we continue to exist, unchanging, unaging, undying.

But don't you dare make such light mentions of suicide. Don't you dare. It's cost my family two people far before their time in the same number of years, so don't you dare ever use that against me. Ever.
 
KnightDisciple said:
*Takes several deep, long breaths to calm self*

You are purposefully twisting my point.

There is a difference between living on a time-scale that's the same, or at least understandable, by the standards of everyone we know, and living for so long we watch 100 generations of descendants be born, live, and die, all while we continue to exist, unchanging, unaging, undying.

But don't you dare make such light mentions of suicide. Don't you dare. It's cost my family two people far before their time in the same number of years, so don't you dare ever use that against me. Ever.
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I don't think I was twisting your argument at all, but if you want to drop it or take it to PMs that's fine.
 
Andres110 said:
Immortality. No one ever wishes for it and it's so useful.
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That's right, just ask Garlic Jr. ;)

All joking aside though, I doubt that we'll get the dragon balls any time soon... if at all. Assuming that we will get them, and that's a big assumtion right there, if we get them before we reach the Majin Buu/SSJ 3/Galactic Powerhouse level of danger I'd be very surprised.

And at that level, assuming Kakara doesn't change a lot personality-wise between now and then, I get the feeling that in character we'd probably be wishing for things similar to the last canon wishes in DBZ: un-destroy this planet, resurrect that group of people, create a psychic link to all the peoples everywhere so we can make an ultimate Spirit Bomb and shove it down the current Big Bad's throat... things like that.
 
Perfect Ki shielding technology that can also shield god ki.
Also a record of the truth behind the legendary ancestors.
The dragon balls also have an ego so they name the records after themselves.
 
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