Remove ads

Dragon Ball: After the End

Voting is open
Reader mode
Sudden thought: Why did Sensei ask us to call him Sensei? The only other person we know who uses Japanese honorifics is Gohan. Has Sensei spoken to the dead Z-fighters?
 
Well, at least the timing of The Talk provides a convenient explanation for her grade drop. She isn't misbehaving, she's just distracted by puberty. That ought to put her parents' minds at ease, right?

Right?
 
Last edited:
Deathbybunnies said:
Sudden thought: Why did Sensei ask us to call him Sensei? The only other person we know who uses Japanese honorifics is Gohan. Has Sensei spoken to the dead Z-fighters?
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Sucal said:
He is a Seer.

Maybe he accidentally saw Gohans first day with the cape!
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
On a more serious note, it seems unlikely that he'd pick up the naming conventions to the point where he'd want to be called Sensei purely from passive visions - that's something you only really pick up by interacting with the culture, talking to someone who does use those conventions. Unless you're just the worst kind of weeaboo Sensei please no
 
ChildishChimera said:
[x] Plan Sucal MK6
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Alas, not even my colour-coded reasoning could sway you?

Deathbybunnies said:
I took my list of differences between the plans and updated it:

So! Plan Sucal's strengths are thus:
  1. It begins training in the Tien style. The Tien style is a useful long term goal, but right now we aren't going to see many benefits from it - we don't get any effective benefit to Multiform until we reach Master, which is explicitly years away. As a Super Saiyan, we are extremely unlikely to be in a fight we might conceivably lose against the scouts, and the main invasion force is still 2 years away.
  2. It studies Jaffur's form with Mato. Studying Jaffur's form with Mato is nice. It's bonding time with Mato, and we get closer to figuring out Jaffur's style. We'll still almost certainly be some time away from it though (and to be honest, I was hoping to give Mato a headstart on our little "competition" so it could be his special thing, but I suspect that's a matter of personal opinion.)


Plan Deathbybunnies' strengths are:
  1. Whilst Recruiting Sensei we ask him (as a more experienced Seer) to Mind Project to Jaffur. This guarantees we contact Jaffur this turn, as we agreed we would with our conspiracy council, without any risk of failure. This is really important - we agreed to do this after a year of learning from Sensei, which means that this is the turn to choose this. Delaying here will lead to some very pointed questions from our fellow conspirators. EDIT: Bear in mind that with the invasion going on, there may be disruptions! We might need the planned "calming down" year to cover for them! DOUBLE EDIT: To avoid misunderstandings, without this explicit write-in we do not ask Sensei to Project to Jaffur.
  2. We explicitly train Multiform after Flight, so that it receives the training bonus from reaching Exceptional Ki Talents. Without this, the odds of successfully upgrading Multiform are much lower.
  3. We begin researching Perfect Multiform. @PoptartProdigy has explicitly confirmed that researching this will unlock it as an Elite version of Multiform. As far as I can see, this is the single biggest combat upgrade in the game short of a transformation that increases our Power Level - with it, we will literally be able to fight every single other Super Saiyan alive, including Jaffur, at the same time. It even guarantees our ability to use Golden Oozaru in a fight, by fighting the enemy with one or more bodies and transforming with the rest. This turn, it also synergises with Training Multiform, to help it along to Exceptional.
  4. We take Command Training. This is important to take this turn, as it will bring us to the trainable cap of "Talented" - we want to get this early so that any XP we gain for Command in the future (such as against the invasion force or the scouts) is above this cap, rather than wasted below it.
  5. We spend an action actually taking part in the Scout hunt, rather than just sending others out to do it. Given our talents with Ki Sensing, not doing this might lead to some ugly questions we won't have a answer for beyond "I have other things to do."
  6. We suggest a plan to Dad to, if the opportunity arises, take a Scout prisoner so we can gain information regarding the invasion. This plan will be used only at Dad's discretion and if a good opportunity comes up, so we won't be risking the escape of a scout.
  7. We include Dad in our training with Maya. Family bonding!
I'm pretty sure this is comprehensive, but if I've missed anything do tell me, and I'll add it!

EDIT: I'm colour coding the list for whole-action differences (orange) and subvote/wording differences (green), because otherwise I'm worried people might think I'm inflating the difference between the two plans. I'm not, mine just has more/better (in my opinion) subvotes. I would note that those subvotes are still very important. (If Sucal wants to use them he's more than welcome to do so - I believe I asked him to, but he hasn't responded.)

EDIT: Forgot Sucal's plan doesn't have us actually taking part in the Scout hunt.

EDIT: Made it clear that without the write-in, we don't ask Sensei to contact Jaffur.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

May I ask what the deciding factor was? I was hoping more people would switch to my plan after I combined Recruiting Sensei with Contacting Jaffur into a single action. (Performed by Sensei no less - that's basically a guaranteed success!)
 
Last edited:
Vote Tally : Sci-Fi - Dragon Ball: After the End | Page 350 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.7.9
[X] Plan Deathbybunnies MK2
[X] Raise Grades (3 actions)
[X] Improve Masque Affinity (1 action)
-[X] Train Maya
--[X] With Dad
[X] Feeling Weird (1 action)
[X] Command Training (1 action)
[X] Train With Sensei (1 action, LOCKED)
[X] A Scion's Observations (1 action)
[X] Contacting Jaffur (1 action)
[X] Ki (1 action, may be taken multiple times)
-[X] Flight
-[X] Multiform (After Flight, so as to benefit from Ki Talents levelling up)
[X] Research Project (1 action)
-[X] Perfect Multiform
--[X] Attempt to use Sight to See Cell perform the move
[X] Organise the better ki sensors of the two clans into patrols, searching for the enemy scouts - now that they aren't shielded by their ships' armour, hopefully any slipups will be detectable. (2 actions)
-[X] Develop a plan that involves minimal loss of life, for the sake of gaining information (and your personal ethics). You (and Dad) can use Instant Transmission and/or Solar Flare to move in and incapacitate the scouts, while the rest of the group makes sure no one gets away or gets off a message.
--[X] This probably isn't Plan A, especially before you have an idea of how easily the enemy can sense you or send back info. But it's worth having a plan at hand in case the opportunity presents itself. (And boy, do you hope it does.)
---[X]Organise some trained seers as a response to the alien invasion. Initially attempt to scry the past on the ship to gain more information on the aliens and use that information to track them down though both Sight and other plans.
[X] Recruit Sensei Carrick (1 Action)
-[X] Since he's now part of the conspiracy and a much better Seer than us, he should Mind Project into Jaffur!
No. of Votes: 9
Plan: ◈Deathbybunnies MK2
ChronOblivion
Deathbybunnies
ElleonXan
fictionfan
KaintukeeBob
Langevin
MagikarpLvl58
Quest
Terrabrand
[x] Plan Sucal MK6
No. of Votes: 9
Plan: ◈Sucal MK6
adaer
Aranfan
Carrnage
ChildishChimera
Karnax626
KnightDisciple
pianoman
Sucal
The Fourth Monado
[x]Plan Sucal MK5
[X]Raise Grades (3)
[X] Improve Masque Affinity (1 action)
-[X] Train Maya,
[X] Feeling Weird (1 action):
[X] Train Tien Style x 2 (With mum if she knows it)
[X] Train Talent (Flight) (1 Action) With Mum
[X] Study Jaffur's Form (1 action): l.
-[X] With Mato.
[X] Train With Sensei (1 action, LOCKED):
-[X] Train Mind Projection
[X] Recruit Sensei Carrick (1 action):
[X] A Scion's Observations (1 action):
[X] Organise the better ki sensors of the two clans into patrols, searching for the enemy scouts - now that they aren't shielded by their ships' armour, hopefully any slipups will be detectable. (2 actions)
No. of Votes: 1
Plan: ◈Sucal MK5
Lupercal
[X] Plan Compromise
[X]Raise Grades (3)
[X] Improve Masque Affinity (1 action)
-[X] Train Maya
--[X] With Dad
[X] Feeling Weird (1 action):
[X] Train With Sensei (1 action, LOCKED):
-[X] Train Mind Projection
[X] A Scion's Observations (1 action):
[X] Organise the better ki sensors of the two clans into patrols, searching for the enemy scouts - now that they aren't shielded by their ships' armour, hopefully any slipups will be detectable. (2 actions)
-[X] Try and get the Seers scrying systematically across the planet. And looking into the past, to get hints.
-[X] Finally, see if anyone has trained in using their sense of smell. Perhaps they could track them down by scent? They're not from Garenhuld, so they could smell different.
-[X] Try not just to sense ki, but the absence of Ki. We know that they have material that blocks ki sense. However if it blocks ki sense we should be able to sense the blockages in the same way that we can detect a perfectly black airship in the sky because it block the stars.
[X] Train Talent (Flight) (1 Action)
[X] Train Tien Style (1 Action)
[X] Recruit Sensei Carrick (1 Action)
[X] Ki (1 Action)
-[X] Multiform (After Flight, so as to benefit from Ki Talents levelling up)
[X] A Scion's Observations (1 action)
No. of Votes: 1
Plan: ◈Compromise
Gore17
[X] Whatever other plan focuses on schoolwork enough to get us straight A's again.
No. of Votes: 1
rkyeun
Total No. of Voters: 21

Hey @Andres110 , @rkyeun , want to play Kingmaker? (Planmaker?)
 
Andres110 said:
The link to Sucal's plan does not take me to Sucal's plan.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Ah, sorry - I've been manually adding the plan details in past tallies so people could see, but I forgot this time.
EDIT: Well, originally I was adding the plan name, and then the vote changed, and so on.
Sucal said:
Its deliberate sabotage!

I call shennigans!

More seriously plan MK6 can be accessed through This finely crafted link!
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
If I was going to sabotage your plan, I'd put the details in - and get some of them wrong! Mwahahahahahahahaha!
 
Last edited:
So Deathbybunnies, while I'm voting for you at the mo, I just reread your comparison points and something in point 5 stood out to me as odd:

Deathbybunnies said:
Given our talents with Ki Sensing, not doing this might lead to some ugly questions we won't have a answer for beyond "I have other things to do."
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

I'm pretty sure you have this backwards. As a part of the Saiyans' leadership structure, if only minorly, we could probably be expected to have a hand in planning things. But since we're still... what, eleven years old? Since we're still so young, I have a feeling we're going to have to figure out a way to convince Berra to let us go on the missions, not justify avoiding going on them.
 
ElleonXan said:
So Deathbybunnies, while I'm voting for you at the mo, I just reread your comparison points and something in point 5 stood out to me as odd:



I'm pretty sure you have this backwards. As a part of the Saiyans' leadership structure, if only minorly, we could probably be expected to have a hand in planning things. But since we're still... what, eleven years old? Since we're still so young, I have a feeling we're going to have to figure out a way to convince Berra to let us go on the missions, not justify avoiding going on them.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
I got that point by looking at how we were the one being checked in on, when the Exiles were scanning for the scout ship. The only way that made sense to me is if Kakara's Exceptional Ki Sensing is so rare that there are very few sensors on her level - in which case, she should be in demand for this mission.
 
Last edited:
Deathbybunnies said:
I got that point by looking at how we were the one being checked in on, when the Exiles were scanning for the scout ship. The only way that made sense to me is if Kakara's Exceptional Ki Sensing is so rare that there are very few sensor on her level - in which case, she should be in demand for this mission.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

Fair enough, though I still think Berra's enough of a father that he's going to try to keep us off the "front lines", as it were. And while I'm a little more in favor of going out ourselves, I'm just going to go ahead and preemptively predict that we're going to have at least one "discussion" with Berra where he tries to talk us out of going and/or demands we give him a reason on why we should go... if not outright forbids us from going. (Depending on how the dice fall.) He may have made some horrible decisions, but I do think deep down he wants to be a good father.

EDIT: Actually, strike that. Reread a couple of parts and you're right. Berra's a dick and I hereby withdraw my objection.
 
Last edited:
Ugh. I don't like either plan. Plan Sucal has us spending two actions on Tien Style and has the objectively bad choice of explicitly including Mum in the action to boot. On the other hand, Dbb's plan has us doing Command Training, spending 2 actions on looking for the scouts instead of 1, and researching Perfect Multiform. In fact, not only is it researching Perfect Multiform, but it's doing it using our Seer powers, even though deliberate visions are very explicitly beyond our ability.

I'm leaning towards Sucal because Dbb's plan has more things wrong with it and to a greater degree of wrongness.

@Sucal, @Deathbybunnies, one of you have messed up. Either Dbb has one too many actions or Sucal's has one too few. At first glance they both have 14 actions, but Dbb's plan has Flight and Multiform as sub-options of Ki, which would each take a single action.

EDIT: Miscounted. They both have 14, even with the sub-option.
 
Last edited:
Andres110 said:
@Sucal, @Deathbybunnies, one of you have messed up. Either Dbb has one too many actions or Sucal's has one too few. At first glance they both have 14 actions, but Dbb's plan has Flight and Multiform as sub-options of Ki, which would each take a single action.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

Nah that was clarified earlier.

Hes trying to set it up so no multiform training is started explicitly until after flight is done for the chance of Bonus XP, meanwhile I prefer not to meta game anymore then I already did and leave it up to what makes for a better narrative moment.
 
Sucal said:
Nah that was clarified earlier.

Hes trying to set it up so no multiform training is started explicitly until after flight is done for the chance of Bonus XP, meanwhile I prefer not to meta game anymore then I already did and leave it up to what makes for a better narrative moment.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Can you please remove the Mum part from your plan? At best it's pointless and at worst it's detrimental.

As for your narrative concerns, I say don't worry about it. PoptartProdigy will make it all narratively good.
 
Last edited:
Andres110 said:
Ugh. I don't like either plan. Plan Sucal has us spending two actions on Tien Style and has the objectively bad choice of explicitly including Mum in the action to boot. On the other hand, Dbb's plan has us doing Command Training, spending 2 actions on looking for the scouts instead of 1, and researching Perfect Multiform. In fact, not only is it researching Perfect Multiform, but it's doing it using our Seer powers, even though deliberate visions are very explicitly beyond our ability.

I'm leaning towards Sucal because Dbb's plan has more things wrong with it and to a greater degree of wrongness.

@Sucal, @Deathbybunnies, one of you have messed up. Either Dbb has one too many actions or Sucal's has one too few. At first glance they both have 14 actions, but Dbb's plan has Flight and Multiform as sub-options of Ki, which would each take a single action.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
I hadn't considered the shakiness of Seeing Cell; you're right, that's just asking for failure. I'll drop that subvote. The researching Perfect Multiform is pulling double duty by acting as a partial Multiform Training/bonus to Multiform.
Flight and Multiform both take an action, but by delaying Multiform until after Flight, it can gain the Exceptional Ki Talents bonus
The Command Training is because we're about to get Command xp through events, and we can't train Command after we reach Talented - this is our last opportunity to do so.
The Scout Hunt differences are due to the fact that where Sucal is just organising the search, as someone known to have Exceptional Ki Sense I have us taking part in it.

No comments on combining Contact Jaffur and Recruit Sensei into one action?

EDIT: GOD DAMN IT I FORGOT TO REMOVE CONTACT JAFFUR. I'll go through and take it out - that's already covered by the Sensei write-in subvote.

[X] Plan Deathbybunnies MK2
[X] Raise Grades (3 actions)
[X] Improve Masque Affinity (1 action)
-[X] Train Maya
--[X] With Dad
[X] Feeling Weird (1 action)
[X] Command Training (1 action)
[X] Train With Sensei (1 action, LOCKED)
[X] A Scion's Observations (1 action)
[X] Ki (1 action, may be taken multiple times)
-[X] Flight
-[X] Multiform (After Flight, so as to benefit from Ki Talents levelling up)
[X] Research Project (1 action)
-[X] Perfect Multiform
[X] Organise the better ki sensors of the two clans into patrols, searching for the enemy scouts - now that they aren't shielded by their ships' armour, hopefully any slipups will be detectable. (2 actions)
-[X] Develop a plan that involves minimal loss of life, for the sake of gaining information (and your personal ethics). You (and Dad) can use Instant Transmission and/or Solar Flare to move in and incapacitate the scouts, while the rest of the group makes sure no one gets away or gets off a message.
--[X] This probably isn't Plan A, especially before you have an idea of how easily the enemy can sense you or send back info. But it's worth having a plan at hand in case the opportunity presents itself. (And boy, do you hope it does.)
---[X]Organise some trained seers as a response to the alien invasion. Initially attempt to scry the past on the ship to gain more information on the aliens and use that information to track them down though both Sight and other plans.
[X] Recruit Sensei Carrick (1 Action)
-[X] Since he's now part of the conspiracy and a much better Seer than us, he should Mind Project into Jaffur!

This version removes the attempt to See Cell - I forgot that's unlikely to succeed - and properly removes the Contact Jaffur action, which I thought I'd already done :mad:
 
Last edited:
Andres110 said:
Can you remove the Mum part from your plan? At best it's pointless and at worst it's detrimental.

As for your narrative concerns, I say don't worry about it. PoptartProdigy will make it all narratively good.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...

Mother has expert teaching, In almost any situation where she has the skill, she is the superior option AND we don't automatically see out the best possible option (see Oozaru training). Plus by delibrately spending more time with each of our major family members they are less concerned about where we are when we aren't with them.

Also just realized that Dodon Ray isn't part of Tien Style and got sad.

Well that and Tien Style should have a flight bonus since flying was originally a Crane School restricted technique!
 
Deathbybunnies said:
The researching Perfect Multiform is pulling double duty by acting as a partial Multiform Training/bonus to Multiform.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
That does sound pretty good. There are still other things I'd want that action to be used for instead but when you put it like that it's not that objectionable at all.

Deathbybunnies said:
Flight and Multiform both take an action, but by delaying Multiform until after Flight, it can gain the Exceptional Ki Talents bonus
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
I like that quite a bit and I had already noticed that.

Deathbybunnies said:
The Command Training is because we're about to get Command xp through events, and we can't train Command after we reach Talented - this is our last opportunity to do so.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Fair enough. As a proponent of that kind of reasoning, I can appreciate the logic.

Deathbybunnies said:
The Scout Hunt differences are due to the fact that where Sucal is just organising the search, as someone known to have Exceptional Ki Sense I have us taking part in it.
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
I don't want Kakara to do involve herself in the war any more than she has to. You just made your plan seem even worse than it was before.

Deathbybunnies said:
No comments on combining Contact Jaffur and Recruit Sensei?
Click to expand...
Click to shrink...
Nope.
 
Reader mode
You must login or register to reply here.
Voting is open
Remove ads
Back
Top