Voting is open
But you feel the other idea has merit?

For US personally, maybe. As a group wide strategy it probably won't work because of the level of Ki Sensing needed to pull something like that off. But we might, because of how good our Ki Senses are.

That being said, I doubt it'll work as a proactive measure... i.e. I doubt we can just fly around the world and look for "holes in the air." I figure it'll be a more reactive one: we see a person but don't sense that they're there with our Ki Sense, so they're probably an invader.

In other words, this is less like your example of looking for a black ship by seeing what light it blocks, and more like looking for an invisible ship by searching for the incidentals: how it blocks airflow, how it effects gravity, how much heat it is putting out.

This is, of course, assuming that they're artificially making their power levels zero, and not just lowering their power levels to an acceptable level. I get the feeling that we as a player-base have focused so much on the fact that they have ki-sense-blocking technology that we've forgotten that, as an invasion force, one of the valid strategies for them is to "blend into the local populace."
 
Can we just use the local law enforcement to try and find out of Towner's that don't fit in?

Also could someone please give a vote count?
 
Can we just use the local law enforcement to try and find out of Towner's that don't fit in?

Also could someone please give a vote count?
... That has me wondering how viable it would be for the saiyans to make a convincing looking 'maximum security prison break' or some such to cause the Garenhulders to look at anyone new with suspicion...
 
In-laws. So many in-laws.

Back into it!

Before I start, let me just say how awesome our illustrious author is for creating such a rich and detailed world. The more I learn about it, the more I want to know. Top notch world building, really top notch!

Take this for example:



Now I, like many others, probably figured that "magic is magic", and mentally threw the Garenhulden Saiyans' magic capabilities into the category of "as seen in the canon series, but with extra plot-necessary bonus feats."

But from this post, you can tell that it's not that way at all. Case in point? Tracking magic.

One of the biggest feats of magic in the dragonball universe, tracking magic was not only a salient plot point in the Baba's Tournament storyline, but buku powerful too. It not only could find something shielded/hidden from normal detection and give you a direction and distance, but it also even gave you a top-down view of the area around it too.

Now that seems like an extremely useful skill, and thus not something likely to be cast aside or forgotten about. I mean yeah, you do have seers, but... well, when eating macaroni and cheese you don't throw away all of your forks, just because you happen to have a spoon handy to eat the cheesy goodness with. (Okay... don't know where that food analogy just came from. Maybe I'm just hungry?)

But as that's not the case, then it's probably a safe assumption that a good portion of the magic was lost.

So since we can't rely on what has come before, we have to look at what we do know about Saiyan magic. And looking at what we've seen in the quest, there is only one conclusion you can come to:

In this universe, saiyan magic is almost exclusively focused on concealment and constraint.

I mean think about it. Barriers to hide power levels, masques to disguise themselves as humans, magic neuralizers even to Men-in-Black away those pesky memories about aliens. Then you have seals to hide and bind power levels- (the masques given to children too young to be trusted to moderate themselves come to mind.)

All in all, it paints a picture of a society that is so scared of being discovered that they've developed their magical talents to hide away to the detriment of everything else magical... something that makes sense if you go back to the backstory and see that that's most likely what they would be like.

Or as I said above: top notch world building!

(But of course I could be wrong and the above is me jumping to conclusions as usual.)

You...are so...damn...close...!

...but for more you all will need to take the IC, "learn how magic works," action.

Because one can't use them both at the same time!

Besides, everyone knows LSSJGLSSJ 4 is what the ladies like

*eyes cross*

I come bearing gifts!


Alternate titles:
  • "Where are you going?"
  • No God - Only Kakara
  • "Your gods cannot save you now "
  • #LookingDownOnPeopleLikeByakuya
Amazing. Added to the fanart archives.



Compare a Super Saiyan 1/2's eyes to a Super Saiyan 3's eyes. SS3 has irises but SS1/2 don't.


SSG was different to SS in a number of different ways, the presence of irises being one of them.

@Andres110

That is non-canon filler. So it really depends on what @PoptartProdigy has to say about it.

My point was more that all the male character's normal eyes are just drawn as little black spots. The art style doesn't seem to bother to discriminate between iris and pupil for them, while female eyes look very different.

Anyway, here's the new, more canon-compliant version:


My ruling is that the pic is too awesome for me to care. Both versions are going in the fanart archives, and I'll decide later what the canon for tail and eye changes is.

Given that @Erebeal gave us two versions of the picture, this one is worth a greater and lesser bonus. Any ideas on what they could be redeemed for?

hurk

I think that was just referring to that particular write in, rather then all write ins in general

Just an idea but if we really want to save that extra action, maybe we could try talking Dad into organizing the searchers instead of doing it ourselves? If we manage to talk him into doing the managing, it would probably take less of our time...

@PoptartProdigy, would that work?

EDIT: For clarification, I'm asking if changing the "organize scouts" write in to a "convince dad to organize scouts" write in would change it from a two-action vote to a one-action one.

The current write-ins are two votes because they have you going out/overseeing the search. If you just organize it and then let it run itself, it's just one. Is that the thrust of your write-in, Sucal?

Has Kakara actually shared sketches of any of the faces she saw?

Yes, immediately.
 
Hey, just out of curiosity, does anyone have a current tally of votes? I'm embarrassed to admit with all this jumping into the middle I've been doing, I've kinda lost track of who wants what where... and thus don't know who I need to bribe to get my nefarious plans off the ground.

Not that I've got a secret, sinister plan. Nope, not me.:whistle:
 
Would love to would be nice to be able to teach Jaffur, but our actions are limited.
Aren't they just? :D
Hey, just out of curiosity, does anyone have a current tally of votes? I'm embarrassed to admit with all this jumping into the middle I've been doing, I've kinda lost track of who wants what where... and thus don't know who I need to bribe to get my nefarious plans off the ground.

Not that I've got a secret, sinister plan. Nope, not me.:whistle:
Would love to, but it's a mess. One or more plans is presently not actually in plan format such as:

[ ] Plan Whatever
-[ ] Plan Item 1
-[ ] Plan Item 2

And is instead in:

Plan Whatever
[ ] Plan Item 1
[ ] Plan Item 2

This f*cks the tally. I'll fix it if it's still a problem when I close, but not before. Too much work for more than once.
 
Hey, just out of curiosity, does anyone have a current tally of votes? I'm embarrassed to admit with all this jumping into the middle I've been doing, I've kinda lost track of who wants what where... and thus don't know who I need to bribe to get my nefarious plans off the ground.

Not that I've got a secret, sinister plan. Nope, not me.:whistle:
Sucal's way ahead, give me a minute

Vote Tally : Sci-Fi - Dragon Ball: After the End | Page 350 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.7.9
[x]Plan Sucal MK5
[X]Raise Grades (3)
[X] Improve Masque Affinity (1 action)
-[X] Train Maya,
[X] Feeling Weird (1 action):
[X] Train Tien Style x 2 (With mum if she knows it)
[X] Train Talent (Flight) (1 Action) With Mum
[X] Study Jaffur's Form (1 action): l.
-[X] With Mato.
[X] Train With Sensei (1 action, LOCKED):
-[X] Train Mind Projection
[X] Recruit Sensei Carrick (1 action):
[X] A Scion's Observations (1 action):
[X] Organise the better ki sensors of the two clans into patrols, searching for the enemy scouts - now that they aren't shielded by their ships' armour, hopefully any slipups will be detectable. (2 actions)
No. of Votes: 7
Plan: ◈Sucal MK5

adaer
ChildishChimera
Karnax626
KnightDisciple
Lupercal
MagikarpLvl58
The Fourth Monado
[X] Plan Deathbybunnies MK2
[X] Raise Grades (3 actions)
[X] Improve Masque Affinity (1 action)
-[X] Train Maya
--[X] With Dad
[X] Feeling Weird (1 action)
[X] Command Training (1 action)
[X] Train With Sensei (1 action, LOCKED)
[X] A Scion's Observations (1 action)
[X] Contacting Jaffur (1 action)
[X] Ki (1 action, may be taken multiple times)
-[X] Flight
-[X] Multiform (After Flight, so as to benefit from Ki Talents levelling up)
[X] Research Project (1 action)
-[X] Perfect Multiform
--[X] Attempt to use Sight to See Cell perform the move
[X] Organise the better ki sensors of the two clans into patrols, searching for the enemy scouts - now that they aren't shielded by their ships' armour, hopefully any slipups will be detectable. (2 actions)
-[X] For the sake of information (and ethics), suggest that Plan A is to take enemies down nonlethally. You've got Solar Flare and Instant Transmission, you can do this!
-[X] Develop a plan that involves minimal loss of life, for the sake of gaining information (and your personal ethics). You (and Dad) can use Instant Transmission and/or Solar Flare to move in and incapacitate the scouts, while the rest of the group makes sure no one gets away or gets off a message.
--[X] This probably isn't Plan A, especially before you have an idea of how easily the enemy can sense you or send back info. But it's worth having a plan at hand in case the opportunity presents itself. (And boy, do you hope it does.)
No. of Votes: 4
Plan: ◈Deathbybunnies MK2

Deathbybunnies
KaintukeeBob
Langevin
Terrabrand
[X]Raise Grades (3)
[X] Improve Masque Affinity (1 action)
-[X] Train Maya,
[X] Feeling Weird (1 action):
[X] Train Tien Style x 2 (With mum if she knows it)
[X] Train Talent (Flight) (1 Action)
[x] Train Talent (Multiform) (1 Action)
[X] Study Jaffur's Form (1 action):
-[X] With Mato.
[X] Train With Sensei (1 action, LOCKED):
-[X] Train Mind Projection
[X] Recruit Sensei Carrick (1 action):
[X] A Scion's Observations (1 action):
[X] Organize Saiyan patrols to try and sniff out the scouts through ki and scent. (1 Action)
No. of Votes: 4
Sucal
Aranfan
ElleonXan
pianoman
[X] Plan Compromise
[X]Raise Grades (3)
[X] Improve Masque Affinity (1 action)
-[X] Train Maya
--[X] With Dad
[X] Feeling Weird (1 action):
[X] Train With Sensei (1 action, LOCKED):
-[X] Train Mind Projection
[X] A Scion's Observations (1 action):
[X] Organise the better ki sensors of the two clans into patrols, searching for the enemy scouts - now that they aren't shielded by their ships' armour, hopefully any slipups will be detectable. (2 actions)
-[X] Try and get the Seers scrying systematically across the planet. And looking into the past, to get hints.
-[X] Finally, see if anyone has trained in using their sense of smell. Perhaps they could track them down by scent? They're not from Garenhuld, so they could smell different.
-[X] Try not just to sense ki, but the absence of Ki. We know that they have material that blocks ki sense. However if it blocks ki sense we should be able to sense the blockages in the same way that we can detect a perfectly black airship in the sky because it block the stars.
[X] Train Talent (Flight) (1 Action)
[X] Train Tien Style (1 Action)
[X] Recruit Sensei Carrick (1 Action)
[X] Ki (1 Action)
-[X] Multiform (After Flight, so as to benefit from Ki Talents levelling up)
[X] A Scion's Observations (1 action)
No. of Votes: 2
Plan: ◈Compromise

fictionfan
Gore17
Total No. of Voters: 17

EDIT: Deleted some empty votes.


Aren't they just? :D

Would love to, but it's a mess. One or more plans is presently not actually in plan format such as:

[ ] Plan Whatever
-[ ] Plan Item 1
-[ ] Plan Item 2

And is instead in:

Plan Whatever
[ ] Plan Item 1
[ ] Plan Item 2

This f*cks the tally. I'll fix it if it's still a problem when I close, but not before. Too much work for more than once.
When do you think you'll be closing the vote? I think some people might be changing their votes, given Sucal's MK6.
 
Sucal's way ahead, give me a minute

Vote Tally : Sci-Fi - Dragon Ball: After the End | Page 350 | Sufficient Velocity
##### NetTally 1.7.9
[x]Plan Sucal MK5
[X]Raise Grades (3)
[X] Improve Masque Affinity (1 action)
-[X] Train Maya,
[X] Feeling Weird (1 action):
[X] Train Tien Style x 2 (With mum if she knows it)
[X] Train Talent (Flight) (1 Action) With Mum
[X] Study Jaffur's Form (1 action): l.
-[X] With Mato.
[X] Train With Sensei (1 action, LOCKED):
-[X] Train Mind Projection
[X] Recruit Sensei Carrick (1 action):
[X] A Scion's Observations (1 action):
[X] Organise the better ki sensors of the two clans into patrols, searching for the enemy scouts - now that they aren't shielded by their ships' armour, hopefully any slipups will be detectable. (2 actions)
No. of Votes: 7
Plan: ◈Sucal MK5

adaer
ChildishChimera
Karnax626
KnightDisciple
Lupercal
MagikarpLvl58
The Fourth Monado
[X] Plan Deathbybunnies MK2
[X] Raise Grades (3 actions)
[X] Improve Masque Affinity (1 action)
-[X] Train Maya
--[X] With Dad
[X] Feeling Weird (1 action)
[X] Command Training (1 action)
[X] Train With Sensei (1 action, LOCKED)
[X] A Scion's Observations (1 action)
[X] Contacting Jaffur (1 action)
[X] Ki (1 action, may be taken multiple times)
-[X] Flight
-[X] Multiform (After Flight, so as to benefit from Ki Talents levelling up)
[X] Research Project (1 action)
-[X] Perfect Multiform
--[X] Attempt to use Sight to See Cell perform the move
[X] Organise the better ki sensors of the two clans into patrols, searching for the enemy scouts - now that they aren't shielded by their ships' armour, hopefully any slipups will be detectable. (2 actions)
-[X] For the sake of information (and ethics), suggest that Plan A is to take enemies down nonlethally. You've got Solar Flare and Instant Transmission, you can do this!
-[X] Develop a plan that involves minimal loss of life, for the sake of gaining information (and your personal ethics). You (and Dad) can use Instant Transmission and/or Solar Flare to move in and incapacitate the scouts, while the rest of the group makes sure no one gets away or gets off a message.
--[X] This probably isn't Plan A, especially before you have an idea of how easily the enemy can sense you or send back info. But it's worth having a plan at hand in case the opportunity presents itself. (And boy, do you hope it does.)
No. of Votes: 4
Plan: ◈Deathbybunnies MK2

Deathbybunnies
KaintukeeBob
Langevin
Terrabrand
[X]Raise Grades (3)
[X] Improve Masque Affinity (1 action)
-[X] Train Maya,
[X] Feeling Weird (1 action):
[X] Train Tien Style x 2 (With mum if she knows it)
[X] Train Talent (Flight) (1 Action)
[x] Train Talent (Multiform) (1 Action)
[X] Study Jaffur's Form (1 action):
-[X] With Mato.
[X] Train With Sensei (1 action, LOCKED):
-[X] Train Mind Projection
[X] Recruit Sensei Carrick (1 action):
[X] A Scion's Observations (1 action):
[X] Organize Saiyan patrols to try and sniff out the scouts through ki and scent. (1 Action)
No. of Votes: 4
Sucal
Aranfan
ElleonXan
pianoman
[X] Plan Compromise
[X]Raise Grades (3)
[X] Improve Masque Affinity (1 action)
-[X] Train Maya
--[X] With Dad
[X] Feeling Weird (1 action):
[X] Train With Sensei (1 action, LOCKED):
-[X] Train Mind Projection
[X] A Scion's Observations (1 action):
[X] Organise the better ki sensors of the two clans into patrols, searching for the enemy scouts - now that they aren't shielded by their ships' armour, hopefully any slipups will be detectable. (2 actions)
-[X] Try and get the Seers scrying systematically across the planet. And looking into the past, to get hints.
-[X] Finally, see if anyone has trained in using their sense of smell. Perhaps they could track them down by scent? They're not from Garenhuld, so they could smell different.
-[X] Try not just to sense ki, but the absence of Ki. We know that they have material that blocks ki sense. However if it blocks ki sense we should be able to sense the blockages in the same way that we can detect a perfectly black airship in the sky because it block the stars.
[X] Train Talent (Flight) (1 Action)
[X] Train Tien Style (1 Action)
[X] Recruit Sensei Carrick (1 Action)
[X] Ki (1 Action)
-[X] Multiform (After Flight, so as to benefit from Ki Talents levelling up)
[X] A Scion's Observations (1 action)
No. of Votes: 2
Plan: ◈Compromise

fictionfan
Gore17
Total No. of Voters: 17

EDIT: Deleted some empty votes.



When do you think you'll be closing the vote? I think some people might be changing their votes, given Sucal's MK6.
At least a day, given that.
 
@Sucal , you should tag the people who voted for the old plan - some of them won't be checking the thread for plan updates.

EDIT: Oh, I remember why I didn't think Tien style was all that important for the Spirit Bomb - Yamcha's Spirit Ball technique isn't lost! That's basically a tiny Spirit Bomb already.
 
Last edited:
Oh, I remember why I didn't think Tien style was all that important for the Spirit Bomb - Yamcha's Spirit Ball technique isn't lost! That's basically a tiny Spirit Bomb already.

If I'm not mistaken, wasn't the Spirit Ball just a regular "from your own energy pool" ki ball that can be easily maneuvered in mid-flight to hit the enemy multiple times before exploding?
 
Last edited:
If I'm not mistaken, wasn't the Spirit Ball is just a regular "from your own energy pool" ki ball that can be easily maneuvered in mid-flight to hit the enemy multiple times before exploding?
That's what I thought at first, but the wiki describes it as "gathering surrounding energy". It's probably not quite the same as the Spirit Bomb - people can send that energy to that across the whole damn Galaxy apparently - but it's pretty close, just smaller.
 
I haven't even got ally proposed of voted for mk6 yet.

I was wondering what people thought of it!

Looks really good to me... which I guess is a good thing, since I'm apparently voting for it according to Deathbybunnies' count. It is the one where you added in the multiform training right?

Although if I'm being honest I still like all the main choices... except plan compromise. It took out both mind-delving Jaffur and studying Jaffur's style, so fie on it.
 
Looks really good to me... which I guess is a good thing, since I'm apparently voting for it according to Deathbybunnies' count. It is the one where you added in the multiform training right?

Although if I'm being honest I still like all the main choices... except plan compromise. It took out both mind-delving Jaffur and studying Jaffur's style, so fie on it.
The tally didn't pick up the plan name, but that's the one you're voting for. IT's not winning at the moment though - most of the voters haven't switched their votes yet.

It's not my favourite plan (obviously, that's my plan) but I won't be too upset if it wins - I cared most about the Multiform Training, and Tien style training was always going to happen at some point.

I remain surprised that people think Sensei Carrick will be more upset about letting someone else talk to him than the entire conspiracy will be for delaying the plan though.
 
Last edited:
[X]Raise Grades (3)
[X] Improve Masque Affinity (1 action)
-[X] Train Maya,
[X] Feeling Weird (1 action):
[X] Train Tien Style x 2 (With mum if she knows it)
[X] Train Talent (Flight) (1 Action)
[x] Train Talent (Multiform) (1 Action)
[X] Study Jaffur's Form (1 action):
-[X] With Mato.
[X] Train With Sensei (1 action, LOCKED):
-[X] Train Mind Projection
[X] Recruit Sensei Carrick (1 action):
[X] A Scion's Observations (1 action):
[X] Organize Saiyan patrols to try and sniff out the scouts through ki and scent. (1 Action)
 
[X]Raise Grades (3)
[X] Improve Masque Affinity (1 action)
-[X] Train Maya,
[X] Feeling Weird (1 action):
[X] Train Tien Style x 2 (With mum if she knows it)
[X] Train Talent (Flight) (1 Action)
[x] Train Talent (Multiform) (1 Action)
[X] Study Jaffur's Form (1 action):
-[X] With Mato.
[X] Train With Sensei (1 action, LOCKED):
-[X] Train Mind Projection
[X] Recruit Sensei Carrick (1 action):
[X] A Scion's Observations (1 action):
[X] Organize Saiyan patrols to try and sniff out the scouts through ki and scent. (1 Action)
Put that under a plan name, for the benefit of my tally program?
 
Voting is open
Back
Top