Ridiculously Average Guy
I'm you, but stronger
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I thought they broke if you used more power than they were rated for?
Dragon Ball: After the End
Alright, based on Poptarts comments I will concede that maybe we aren't special (and that seers are OP BS). It does sound like what we saw was about the same as what is usually seen. But that doesn't imply that its a secret. Just that seers are surly assholes. To be fair we didn't really see anything groundbreaking. Maybe they just didn't see the point of making a big deal out of basically nothing?
However, if its true that our vision isn't special that means there is no reason to hurry to tell Sensei. It also doesn't give a reason why we should keep this a secret from our father and lord. If it's nothing special then it doesn't matter if we tell. If it is special then he deserves to hear about it.
I just don't like this idea that our actions are constrained by what a bunch of old seers might think about something. If they wanted this kept secret they would have told us. Otherwise it is our choice and they can but out.
You know, I'm getting the feeling that you just unilaterally decided that her being a mutant was impossible. No one ever said it was impossible, just unlikely. Even if it is 10 billion to one odds, she can still be the one.
But I would take those centillion to one odds if the alternative is that wacky conspiracy theory. I simply refuse to believe a plan that stupid could possibly exist.
Really I just want this Maya stuff to be over with so we can get back to the real story... I just simply do not care about her. I'm seriously regretting ever wondering what was wrong with her.
Bakkasama
There is always a greater fool
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- Buenos Aires, Argentina
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No. How would that work? Dad can get up to 70% of his base strenght while under masque and there is no indication of his being any different from another saiyan's. Perhaps you are confusing it with the fact that so far nobody could ever become super saiyan while masqued and had to come out of it first. I mean, Jaffur was sealed as one but his is not a normal one.
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If our vision isn't special, then they would have said something about it. and when the people who can literally see the past, present and future make a collective decision to do something, they probably have a reason for it? Like, why are you so against at least finding out what that reason is rather than blindly charging forth? This is one of those things that doesn't cost us anything to make sure of, so even a small chance of it changing our minds is enough to go find out.
The wacky conspiracy theory is pretty wacky! I'd give it 10,000,000-1 odds of being correct. That's practically nothing. No-one would bet on odds that low with a more likely alternative - it just wouldn't make sense!
How big's a billion, again?
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- Australia
One thousand millions.
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Okay... now, bear with me here, it's some pretty advanced math:
(1/10 billion) > (1/10 million) + (Literally every other possible explanation except that she's a natural mutant with no shenanigans whatsoever)
I had to get a calculator and everything!
EDIT: In all seriousness though, "we're the protagonist" just doesn't cut it. Being the protagonist does mean that we have a reason to follow them around instead of someone else: If there was a fire that killed the rest of his village, or there's a special crystal he found in the woods while looking for mushrooms or some other reason to be exceptional, then that's it. You can't just justify other extremely-unlikely events by virtue of Protagonist Power, that's just terrible writing, and @PoptartProdigy is an excellent writer. In our case, we're the Scion in a time of potential upheaval - that's our Long-Odds Backstory, and Maya doesn't fall under that.
DOUBLE EDIT: That's not to say unlikely things can't happen, they're just... unlikely to happen. For example, we rolled a 100 during character creation on the Seer roll, so we're a Seer. Maya being a natural mutant is the equivalent of rolling 5 100s in a row, i.e. so unlikely that I would bet my house it has never happened on this site.
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Okay heres my reasoning
Maya being a mutant is more interesting and makes more sense than a stupid conspiracy that doesnt have a good reason to exist.
Therefore id like it more in a story.
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
Vote tally:
##### 3.19
[x] Tell Maya that we Saw something that is one of those secrets we can't tell her.
-[x] Tell Dad Everything via telepathy.
[x] Yes (allow the reveal)
No. of votes: 3
pkong, Aranfan, anailater
[X] Tell Maya that we Saw something that is one of those secrets we can't tell her.
-[X] Tell Dad Everything via telepathy.
[X] Going forward tell:
-[X] Sensei Carrick
-[X] Grandma
[X] Yes (allow the reveal)
No. of votes: 4
ElleonXan, KnightDisciple, Lupercal, MagikarpLvl58
[X] Tell Maya that we Saw our great-grandfather die.
-[X] Tell Dad Everything via telepathy.
[X] Going forward tell:
-[X] Sensei Carrick
-[X] Grandma
[X] Yes (allow the reveal)
No. of votes: 6
Deathbybunnies, ChildishChimera, Nathaniel Wolff, KaintukeeBob, Bommelom, Terrabrand
[X] Tell Maya it's a secret thing. Use telepathy to tell Dad that it's something we want to talk about with Sensei first.
[X] No (object to the reveal).
No. of votes: 1
Andres110
[X] Tell them.
[X] Some other people.
-[X] Grandma
-[X] Sensei
-[X] Fennella.
-[X] Anonymously have it revealed over the Saiyan radio.
[X] No (object to the reveal).
No. of votes: 1
Gore17
[X] Tell dad and Maya that we saw something and have to go talk to someone right now.
-[X] Instant Transmission to Sensei, bringing dad and Maya with us, talk to him about it via telepathy. Also ask about Maya - and make sure Sensei has a Masque or something on first, of course.
[X] Once we're done, Instant Transmission back to where we were and explain what just happened based on what Sensei told us.
[X] Yes (Allow the reveal)
No. of votes: 1
GilliamYaeger
[X] Tell dad and Maya that we have to go talk to someone right now.
-[X] Instant Transmission to Sensei, bringing dad and Maya with us, talk to him about it via telepathy. Also ask about Maya - and make sure Sensei has a Masque or something on first, of course.
[X] Once we're done, decide what to explain.
[X] No (object to the reveal).
No. of votes: 1
Lailoken
Here is how the votes stand.
##### 3.19
[x] Tell Maya that we Saw something that is one of those secrets we can't tell her.
-[x] Tell Dad Everything via telepathy.
[x] Yes (allow the reveal)
No. of votes: 3
pkong, Aranfan, anailater
[X] Tell Maya that we Saw something that is one of those secrets we can't tell her.
-[X] Tell Dad Everything via telepathy.
[X] Going forward tell:
-[X] Sensei Carrick
-[X] Grandma
[X] Yes (allow the reveal)
No. of votes: 4
ElleonXan, KnightDisciple, Lupercal, MagikarpLvl58
[X] Tell Maya that we Saw our great-grandfather die.
-[X] Tell Dad Everything via telepathy.
[X] Going forward tell:
-[X] Sensei Carrick
-[X] Grandma
[X] Yes (allow the reveal)
No. of votes: 6
Deathbybunnies, ChildishChimera, Nathaniel Wolff, KaintukeeBob, Bommelom, Terrabrand
[X] Tell Maya it's a secret thing. Use telepathy to tell Dad that it's something we want to talk about with Sensei first.
[X] No (object to the reveal).
No. of votes: 1
Andres110
[X] Tell them.
[X] Some other people.
-[X] Grandma
-[X] Sensei
-[X] Fennella.
-[X] Anonymously have it revealed over the Saiyan radio.
[X] No (object to the reveal).
No. of votes: 1
Gore17
[X] Tell dad and Maya that we saw something and have to go talk to someone right now.
-[X] Instant Transmission to Sensei, bringing dad and Maya with us, talk to him about it via telepathy. Also ask about Maya - and make sure Sensei has a Masque or something on first, of course.
[X] Once we're done, Instant Transmission back to where we were and explain what just happened based on what Sensei told us.
[X] Yes (Allow the reveal)
No. of votes: 1
GilliamYaeger
[X] Tell dad and Maya that we have to go talk to someone right now.
-[X] Instant Transmission to Sensei, bringing dad and Maya with us, talk to him about it via telepathy. Also ask about Maya - and make sure Sensei has a Masque or something on first, of course.
[X] Once we're done, decide what to explain.
[X] No (object to the reveal).
No. of votes: 1
Lailoken
Here is how the votes stand.
Aka, the Theory of Narrative Causality.
Kakara learned things about the Enemy. Things the Saiyans as a whole don't and even the heir to the throne doesn't know. Humanoid, male, small stature, able to read the bloodline potential of petrified corpses, is intent on and confident in hunting down the survivors no matter how long it takes, has counters to sorcery and seeing, but considers seeing more serious. Faced with such a tremendous enemy any information is potentially vital. So, either she is the very first to get even as much as she did, or the other seers are keeping quiet about those details. If they're keeping them quiet, they probably have a reason, and we should probably ask them before blabbing. We might end up deciding to break the silence, but it's wise to know why it exists in the first place before making that decision.
I think he's talking about child masques, which if I recall correctly do break if the user exceeds their operating parameters, which are typically lower than what Maya is at right now. That suggests that if she is sealed, she's in a modified seal- or simply in an ordinary seal and doesn't know that she can flip out of it because nobody has ever told her-.
-or, she does know, and hasn't mentioned it, because she's already incredibly insecure about going way out on a limb even sharing something less humiliating to a peripubescent girl than body issues on the order of, "Sometimes I sprout a big hairy tail".
Aranfan
Team Plasma Grunt
[X] Tell Maya that we Saw something that is one of those secrets we can't tell her.
-[X] Tell Dad Everything via telepathy.
[X] Going forward tell:
-[X] Sensei Carrick
-[X] Grandma
[X] Yes (allow the reveal)
For consolidation.
@pkong , @anailater
-[X] Tell Dad Everything via telepathy.
[X] Going forward tell:
-[X] Sensei Carrick
-[X] Grandma
[X] Yes (allow the reveal)
For consolidation.
@pkong , @anailater
On that, there's a possible reason for that: her immense strength as a Super Saiyan. We have no idea how the Sight works, but much like how Ki can reinforce Magic, it's possible that a high PL helped, perhaps by giving Kakara enough "weight" or "strength" to punch through whatever defences the Enemy had set up?
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Point of order: we don't know that there's no good reason for it to exist, because if it does exist, there's no reason to know about it. Personally, I think it's more likely she's the result of some random Saiyan's one-night-stand with her tail cut off and cauterised at birth and has been forgotten about, which we would also find out about with a little investigating - the point of investigating is to check all the other possibilities, not just an unlikely conspiracy theory. I just took exception to the abuse of statistics being perpetrated.
All too common, that. A good author brings about the same results, but has a better reason for it than 10 billion to one odds; in this case, it would be fairly easy to create a backstory Maya doesn't know about.
That's a good idea, and a strong possibility! It just doesn't hurt to check.
Saiyans have a different Ki signature then humans.
Though I'm curious to your reaction if Poptart did roll for it, and got 5 100's in a row.
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We already know that Vegeta tried to kill his unborn child because he didn't want her. If you're a grandmaster sorceress who knows that your husband is probably going to murder your daughter, then you for defying him, if he ever finds out about her, what would you do? Maybe ask an old, trusted mutual friend and the only equal authority figure on the planet? After the two of them almost blow up the planet fighting about it, what do you do?
Possible, but she wasn't even powered up to maximum-Maya level at the time. If that does turns out to be the case we can happily tell everybody what we've discovered, but we lose nothing by checking first.
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I would flip out really hard. There's a reason the world isn't full of lottery winners, and no lottery I know of has odds nearly as low as 10 billion to one.
But I do know of games that have had longer odds occur thanks to the dice.
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I'm sure it has happened - there's a population of 7 billion people, the number of games played is probably in the trillions by now. And then within those games, you have to take into account every possible incredibly unlikely set of circumstances. But if you ever see it happen in front of you, it's much more likely that there's something wrong with the dice.
Just because the odds of it happening are 1 in a billion in the real world doesn't mean that it would be 1 in a billion in a quest, where the effect of crits often far outweigh the probability of them happening.
Mechanically it would be much more likely for it to be modeled with one or two d100's. Eg, the first one would determine if the friend gets any powers or anything special at all, while the second would determine the magnitude. In this perspective the odds of someone like Maya happening could very well be more common then a 1/100 chance.
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That's possible, but the reasoning is completely meta - IC, it's a 10-billion-to-one chance. Actually, this applies to the Protagonist Power argument as well.