Dragon Ball: After the End

[Lailoken]

Wait, is she a a human mutant? That makes her quite valuable if her kids will inherit her mutation.

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Or dangerous. Remember that there is something which powerfully selected against the curiosity she has in the local humans, and she's already at DBZ power levels despite being a completely untrained ten year old.

Is it possible that she IS a Saiyan? Lost, adopted?

She doesn't have a tail, so probably not.

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That just means that she has a masque, or the tail removed. Masques are applied a birth, and even ordinary humans are occasionally born with tails which are surgically removed.

 

[anailater]

That just means that she has a masque, or the tail removed. Masques are applied a birth, and even ordinary humans are occasionally born with tails which are surgically removed.

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I mean could it be possible that she's also under the same perma-masque as Jaron?

The spell has to have been used before. And if it was applied shoddily then it would help explain both her ability for wonder and her power.

 

[Deathbybunnies]

[x] Go to maximum for your masque and end the fight with a hug.
[x] Talk about this with Maya.
-[x] Raw talent only takes you so far...
--[x] ...We should talk to my dad about this, he's the one who trained me!
---[x] Phone Dad

replaced us with "me", because reasons.

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But we're the Scion! We need the royal we/us! For it amuses us!
...Though I suppose in a sentence where we're already using the first person plural to denote multiple people, function has to overcome form. But just this once.

[] Go to maximum for your masque and end the fight with a hug.
[] Talk about this with Maya.
-[] Raw talent only takes you so far...
--[] ...We should talk to my dad about this, he's the one who trained me!
---[] Phone Dad

EDIT: Changed vote later to set our power level to 20,000, full-masque-power is just overkill.

Or dangerous. Remember that there is something which powerfully selected against the curiosity she has in the local humans, and she's already at DBZ power levels despite being a completely untrained ten year old.

Is it possible that she IS a Saiyan? Lost, adopted?

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Aww jeeze, I completely forgot about the "don't be curious" selection bias. Maybe every Garenhulder can do this... but it turns out poorly? *Dun dun dunnnn...*

EDIT: Whoops, fixed my vote.

 

[anailater]

[x] Go to maximum for your masque and end the fight with a hug.
[x] Talk about this with Maya.
-[x] Raw talent only takes you so far...
--[x] ...We should talk to my dad about this, he's the one who trained me!
---[x] Phone Dad

Should we maybe phone in private, so we can bring up the whole she seems to be human delio.

 

[HircumPrinceps]

Because Goku died a natural enough death.

Also because the whole problem was caused by relying on Goku too much.

I'm mostly wondering why he didn't wish Shenron to move everyone to a safe planet instead

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But like... was that ever brought up to be a problem in dBm? Also couldn't they just wish the ducker out of existence? This story's interesting, don't get me wrong, but the beginning feels a little contrived.

 

[Deathbybunnies]

But like... was that ever brought up to be a problem in dBm? Also couldn't they just wish the ducker out of existence? This story's interesting, don't get me wrong, but the beginning feels a little contrived.

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I'm pretty sure if "wishing the ducker out of existence" was a thing, the world of Dragon Ball would look very different. And Goku and Vegeta both got put in a box for coming back to life too often, and even now are under careful watch to make sure they don't do it again.

 

[HircumPrinceps]

I'm pretty sure if "wishing the ducker out of existence" was a thing, the world of Dragon Ball would look very different. And Goku and Vegeta both got put in a box for coming back to life too often, and even now are under careful watch to make sure they don't do it again.

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What I'm getting here is it's an authorial decision, not a belief on what might happen in actual DBS future

 

[Aranfan]

Also couldn't they just wish the ducker out of existence?

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Stopped being a thing in the Saiyan Saga.

 

[Deathbybunnies]

What I'm getting here is it's an authorial decision, not a belief on what might happen in actual DBS future

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I guess? If you mean it was also an authorial decision in the manga?
Unless you're referring to Goku not coming back, but then I'd point out that the universe would still look very different if non-immortals could just constantly come back to life, so there must be some reason that isn't the case.

 

[KaintukeeBob]

[x] Go to maximum for your masque and end the fight with a hug.
[x] Talk about this with Maya.
-[x] Raw talent only takes you so far...
--[x] ...We should talk to my dad about this, he's the one who trained me!
---[x] Phone Dad

Should we maybe phone in private, so we can bring up the whole she seems to be human delio.

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I kinda like this plan.

[X] Keep the fight going for a bit, drawing her out step by step; before you settle this down you want to see exactly how much power Maya has socked away.
-[X] Then de-escalate.

[X] Talk about this with Maya.
-[X] Explain ki to Maya, and tell her that while she has more innate power than most, you're not sure you'd call it superpowers, as everyone could get that powerful with proper training.
--[X] Show off a ki blast and explain that physical strength isn't all you can use ki for.
-[X] In order to explain how you know all of this, tell her that you sometimes have visions of both the past, present, future and other things, and that an old man you see in your dreams (probably an ancestor of yours, as you've been calling him grandpa) has been telling you about this since you were little.

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I like how this has a better protection of the Masquerade, and doesn't give Maya clues to who other 'superheroes' might be that we might want her to not have. Bells can't be unrung.

This is not a hugging moment. Maya doesn't need to be comforted or anything of the like right now.

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HUGS FOR THE HUG GODDESS. Also, as others have said, 'joy hugs' are totally a thing, and should happen here.

I propose Plan Plan Fusion:

[X] Plan Plan Fusion
-[X] Keep the fight going for a bit, drawing her out step by step; before you settle this down you want to see exactly how much power Maya has socked away.
--[X] Then de-escalate.
---[X] By powering up ~25% more than her observed maximum and hugging her.
-[X] Talk to Maya
--[X] Raw Talent - like yours - only takes you so far.
--[X] Explain the basics of ki, including ki blasts (but no demonstration), and that it can be improved by training. Tell her anyone can do it, but she seems to be naturally gifted with it. Do NOT use the word 'mutant'.
--[X] Tell her that lots of your knowledge comes from a strange man you have met in your dreams (probably an ancestor of yours, as you've been calling him grandpa) has been telling you about this since you were little.
---[X] Also, you can see the future sometimes. Dream-Grandpa says that's not something everyone can do, though. (We are still Oddballs, and the bouncing around of topics is intended to keep her conversationally flat-footed)
-[X] Tell her you think it's good that she keeps this a secret, because it might otherwise scare people in not-fun ways.
-[X] After the conversation is over, talk to Dad ASAP. Tell him everything about the encounter, and ask for his advice.
--[X] We really don't want her to be sealed, killed, or forced to marry a Saiyan.
---[X] Maybe this can help Saiyans in the long run? Encourage ki-using humans, so Masqued Saiyans can blend in better?

I think this covers all the points I want to hit, and the sparring should be fun.

 

[anailater]

I kinda like this plan.



I like how this has a better protection of the Masquerade, and doesn't give Maya clues to who other 'superheroes' might be that we might want her to not have. Bells can't be unrung.



HUGS FOR THE HUG GODDESS. Also, as others have said, 'joy hugs' are totally a thing, and should happen here.

I propose Plan Plan Fusion:

[X] Plan Plan Fusion
-[X] Keep the fight going for a bit, drawing her out step by step; before you settle this down you want to see exactly how much power Maya has socked away.
--[X] Then de-escalate.
---[X] By powering up ~25% more than her observed maximum and hugging her.
-[X] Talk to Maya
--[X] Raw Talent - like yours - only takes you so far.
--[X] Explain the basics of ki, including ki blasts (but no demonstration), and that it can be improved by training. Tell her anyone can do it, but she seems to be naturally gifted with it. Do NOT use the word 'mutant'.
--[X] Tell her that lots of your knowledge comes from a strange man you have met in your dreams (probably an ancestor of yours, as you've been calling him grandpa) has been telling you about this since you were little.
---[X] Also, you can see the future sometimes. Dream-Grandpa says that's not something everyone can do, though. (We are still Oddballs, and the bouncing around of topics is intended to keep her conversationally flat-footed)
-[X] Tell her you think it's good that she keeps this a secret, because it might otherwise scare people in not-fun ways.
-[X] After the conversation is over, talk to Dad ASAP. Tell him everything about the encounter, and ask for his advice.
--[X] We really don't want her to be sealed, killed, or forced to marry a Saiyan.
---[X] Maybe this can help Saiyans in the long run? Encourage ki-using humans, so Masqued Saiyans can blend in better?

I think this covers all the points I want to hit, and the sparring should be fun.

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I like this but maybe dont mention that last part, don't want to rock the boat to much so early.

 

[Bakkasama]

Alright. Yes. That makes sense... seriously, WTF?!

Let me think how we want to play this. The whole we are super powered beings is out of the bag. The standard procedure is call dad, induct her on clan via "Berra 'Hitch' Goku, seduction specialist" shennanigans. So, telling dad is a thing that should be done since it is lawful. However, how heavy handed do we want to be about this? Isn't Maya, like, extremely shy? Besides, she just went through her big revelation momento, I think it would be best to take her introduction to our society slowly so as to not overwhelm her. Besides, the pressing issue is not to get her training but to keep our society secret so the current vote promising her such seems unadvisable. I suugest we focus on the keeping it quiet bit, not from the Garenhulders since she seems to be managing it so far but from saiyans so that we can manage this.

Which brings me to the second point I wanted to discuss. Jaron is being watched, if not directly then via ki senses. It is likely that Maya would be sensed but whoever does would sense us too and know how we feel like. On one hand, continuing the spar makes it more likely for Jaron's watchers to learn about her. On the other hand, they might trust us to handle it if they sense us, I am feeling curious about how far can Maya go and they don't seem to pay attention to weak PL like hers unlike they are actively trying to sense her and will more likely than not asume she is a saiyan in a spar since we are in an isolated área. That said...

[ ] (x0.5) First things first: power up to an even thousand and put a swift end to this. If Maya somehow has enough power to not lose to this, keep going up in increments of a thousand until she doesn't anymore.

A thousand increment seems a bit like an overkill. She is at 450 and a 20% advantage is overwhelming plus we are exceptional at dueling.

[ ] Keep the fight going for a bit, drawing her out step by step; before you settle this down you want to see exactly how much power Maya has socked away.
This would be useful to know what we are dealing with. Her current power level is enough to get her overconfident but if we want to show her the difference in power eventually, a better measure is important and gathering more information is not a bad thing.

-[ ] (x0.7) Then win.
She is under the assumption we awakened our powers recently. If we want to go the whole sensei thing and tempt her with power this would be useful but we don't know if we would be allowed and I don't want to make promises we can't keep. If we go with her superpowers assumption then this is the whole "don't grow overconfident" path but this is what makes her special. For Kakara, who already is better than her on so many things to be so on this that makes her special when she has been training it since she was younger and Kakara supposedly just awakened her own powers...

-[ ] Then throw the fight.
This is the option for if we want to pass this up as us just getting superpowers like her. Which is probably the Smart choice. She is already trying to blend in with Garenhulders and her not knowing there are others like us would make it easier to find her a partner for later introducing her to our society. It might cause her to fall out with us for a while once she is introduced and learns we kept this from her and runs the risk of superhero shennanigans later but both are manegeable since we can make up with her and the saiyans would be paying attention to her anyways if we tell them... which might make an argument about keeping her powers secret from the saiyans too since it would give bigger scrutiny to our group.

-[ ] Then de-escalate.
Winning would prevent her from getting overconfident and throwing the fight from getting more suspicious. De-escalating gets us on a more even groung when talking later though considering we are using a lower PL, maybe not so much.

[ ] (x0.1) BOW BEFORE KAKARA, PUNY HUMAN! HOW DARE YOU SUGGEST LIKENESS BETWEEN US?! Go saiyan. Put the fear of you into this upstart (my goodness is this out of character, but it amuses me to include it).
-[ ] (x0.01) In fact, go whole hog on this. Super Saiyan, now. Clearly this is a warranted and proportional response to the situation at hand.
...let's call everyone in the planet and tell them to look and this, why don't we?

[ ] Throw the fight. Maya seems to have concluded that you've recently unlocked your ki abilities, and thus should be weaker. Let her keep thinking that, rather than giving her reason to wonder when you learned so much.
Self explanatory. She concluded she has superpowers and has had them for longer thus she should be stronger. No need to explain her about saiyans and just have to pay close attention to her to make sure she doesn't do anything rash. Plus, it makes us seem like a non-thread though we would have to keep this up since she obviously wants to share this with someone.

[ ] Disengage and de-escalate. Clearly, Maya started the fight to distract herself from how scared she was sharing this secret, but she's done that now. You can stop fighting.
A bit disappointing for Maya since she never had a chance to go all out before but closer to what Kakara thinks is best and less of a chance of anyone sensing us. Personally, I think she should get this out of her system.

[ ] Hug Maya.
Doesn't particularly need confort. Could be taking as Kakara being relieved to finally find someone like her.

[ ] Talk about this with Maya.
-[ ] Write-in how exactly (write-ins should not be scripts, but should broadly cover what you want to ask and are prepared to share, along with general tone. Vote weighting will be assigned case-by-case).
Pretty much necesary if we want to control how this turns out.

So, as I see it, there are two palatable options:

a) Superpowers! She came up with her own explanation so why not keep at it for Masquerade's sake? It would make it easier to bind her to saiyan society if she is not paranoid about everyone she meets being space monkeys and at her age, convincing her to keep things secrets should not be that much of an issue.

b) Secret society of secrecy! There are others like us, people who are very interested in keeping this underwraps. We need to keep powers secret or they will do something about it. Helps introduce her to saiyan society without telling her we are space monkeys until we are ready and let us ask dad with Maya's permission to see what to do about this.

[X] Plan "Yer a ki user, Maya"
[x] Keep the fight going for a bit, drawing her out step by step; before you settle this down you want to see exactly how much power Maya has socked away.
-[x] But don't let her handle you your ass. Keep things more or less even, be it by power or skill.
-[x] Then de-escalate.
[x] Talk about this with Maya.
-[x] She did good in keeping this quiet. There are others like us and they have gone to great lenghts to keep this quiet. Power like this usually runs in families and for someone to have come into it without being from any of the clans would have drawn their attention.
-[x] We will have to discuss this with our dad. He is head of our clan and would know best how to properly introduce her to others like us.

The bit about keeping the fight even is so that she doesn't feel like she has a higher ground when talking about knowing about the powers.
Now, the question is, is she a human mutant or a masqued saiyan child that somehow went missing?

Also, should we imply to her that our group is being watched? It could as well be because of us so no need to mention Jaron.

 

[adaer]

[X] Plan "Yer a ki user, Maya"

Eh, this looks pretty good, and the reasoning behind it seems solid. Also, the whole slowly ramping up in power over the course of the encounter thing is something of a DB tradition.

Also, should we imply to her that our group is being watched? It could as well be because of us so no need to mention Jaron.

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I would avoid this for now; saying we have to go to out father with this makes it almost certain that there will be another part to this event, and we can bring it up then after we see how she reacts to this.

 

[Lailoken]

Y'know, if we want to both impress her and shut this down fast, we can try, "Hey, can you do this?" and fly.

I mean could it be possible that she's also under the same perma-masque as Jaron?

The spell has to have been used before. And if it was applied shoddily then it would help explain both her ability for wonder and her power.

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Possibly, but even just a child masque would probably cover it if she were separated from Saiyan society at an early age. They're meant to be beyond the control of the subject until they are intentionally changed when they are old enough, and while they do break if the subject gets too strong, she is totally untrained.

I'm halfway tempted to dump a Super-Saiyan load of ki donation into her and see what happens.

But we're the Scion! We need the royal we/us! For it amuses us!
...Though I suppose in a sentence where we're already using the first person plural to denote multiple people, function has to overcome form. But just this once.

[X] Go to maximum for your masque and end the fight with a hug.
[X] Talk about this with Maya.
-[X] Raw talent only takes you so far...
--[X] ...We should talk to my dad about this, he's the one who trained me!
---[X] Phone Dad


Aww jeeze, I completely forgot about the "don't be curious" selection bias. Maybe every Garenhulder can do this... but it turns out poorly? *Dun dun dunnnn...*

EDIT: Whoops, fixed my vote.

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That, or the ones which are tend to make Bad Things happen.

Still, her being an unknowing Saiyan seems to be the most parsimonious fit. Explains her abnormal psychology and she's so far displayed about the normal power level for a historically bog-standard untrained Saiyan. The lack of a tail would be either a masque, or it just being removed at some point. I wouldn't be surprised if the response of notoriously dull and conformist Garenhulders to a child with a tail was, "Fix it, then never tell anybody." Normally I'd go with that, but the fact that her aura is exactly the same as Kakara's masqued might be taken to suggest a masque.

Of course, her parents could also be outright Saiyan renegades.

 

[GilliamYaeger]

[x] Go to maximum for your masque and end the fight with a hug.
[x] Talk about this with Maya.
-[x] Raw talent only takes you so far...
--[x] ...We should talk to my dad about this, he's the one who trained me!
---[x] Phone Dad

Saying anything more than 'we know really good kung fu' without getting advice on the subject is far too risky for everyone involved. Especially telling her about our seer powers.

 

[Lailoken]

I really think that we should shut this down right now while convincing her it's a good idea to cooperate.

The best way to do that would seem to be to suggest that we could teach her something she really, really wants if she cooperates.

What little girl doesn't want to fly?

 

[Bommelom]

Saying anything more than 'we know really good kung fu' without getting advice on the subject is far too risky for everyone involved. Especially telling her about our seer powers.

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I'd say telling her about ki and Seer powers are less risky than telling her about our dad.

Then again, I just really don't want to alienate her from Garenhuld society by introducing her to the Saiyans (since she's expressed a longing to meet someone else with "superpowers", I'm afraid that's what would happen).

 

[Aranfan]

[X] Plan "Yer a ki user, Maya"

 

[Aranfan]

Still, her being an unknowing Saiyan seems to be the most parsimonious fit.

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Eh, human mutation works just as well.

 

[Alanek]

Eh, human mutation works just as well.

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The one in a thousand years... The Legendary Super Human!

 

[GilliamYaeger]

I'd say telling her about ki and Seer powers are less risky than telling her about our dad.

Then again, I just really don't want to alienate her from Garenhuld society by introducing her to the Saiyans (since she's expressed a longing to meet someone else with "superpowers", I'm afraid that's what would happen).

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We have here a young girl who is, by big league standards, barely able to defend herself. We also have an incoming alien invasion, who are being led by a presumably well-trained scout force.

Which would be the least disastrous for them to find out, if they somehow manage to get information from her - that there is at least one clan of Ki-using warriors on the planet, or that there are people who can see the future?

I'm aware that I'm being more than a little paranoid here and that it will almost certainly not happen, but still. Bein able to punch hard via technique is a lot less outrageous than seeing the future.

 

[Quest]

The one in a thousand years... The Legendary Super Human!

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Well, the Ginyu force were all mutants. Freeza was a double mutant. It might fit.

 

[Bommelom]

We have here a young girl who is, by big league standards, barely able to defend herself. We also have an incoming alien invasion, who are being led by a presumably well-trained scout force.

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Firstly, no, they're not necessarily well-trained, since most super powered mutants in DBZ just beat up on people weaker than themselves.

Secondly, the best plan would be to intercept them in space, so they might not even come here.

Which would be the least disastrous for them to find out, if they somehow manage to get information from her - that there is at least one clan of Ki-using warriors on the planet, or that there are people who can see the future?

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In what scenario would they get information from her?

The arrival of the aliens is going to be very obvious, so even if they manage to get down to the planet they would be obliterated by the Saiyans the moment they arrive, they're certainly not going to ever get to interrogate Maya.

That said, the existence of the Saiyans is a far bigger secret than some random future-seeing little girl (and if we introduce her to Dad, I don't think we can keep the Saiyans secret from her for long), even if the main threat is her potentially spilling her guts to the Garenhuld public and not her telling anything to the invaders.

I mean, it doesn't really matter if there's a single person on the planet who can see irregular visions the future if they still think they're far stronger than anything on Garenhuld, but the existence of Saiyans? If this got into the galaxy, we'd be dead.

 

[Deathbybunnies]

I'd say telling her about ki and Seer powers are less risky than telling her about our dad.

Then again, I just really don't want to alienate her from Garenhuld society by introducing her to the Saiyans (since she's expressed a longing to meet someone else with "superpowers", I'm afraid that's what would happen).

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Our own cover is already blown RE superstrength: all we'd be doing is letting her know our Dad is in on it. Nothing else. Nothing about Saiyans or whatnot, and we'd have backup about keeping our story straight from a master.

And frankly, not only is she already alienated from Garenhulder society (she's in a group call the Misfits man) but why would it matter if she wanted to focus on saiyan society? I'm not particularly interested in Russian culture. I spend my time in other cultures. Who cares?

 

[KnightDisciple]

[X] Plan "Yer a ki user, Maya"

I feel this plan hits the best balance of what I think would be helpful.