Dragon Ball: After the End
*Contemplates Oozaru abuse*
Sucal
The Devil’s Cut
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Your assuming that they still exist.
Besides its easy to leave all this. Just vote for plan 'fuck our reputation and the status quo'
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The Great One
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The Super Dragonballs definitely do. The Namekian Ones just might.
Sucal
The Devil’s Cut
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- Bottom of the barrel
We don't speak God
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The Great One
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Not yet.
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So...unless I'm failing to understand something the idea has merit? A non-debilitating attack with LF boost that doesn't reduce lifespan?
Back to the conduit idea, will developing it result in a noticeable decrease in energy requirements to do all ki-related things or only some things?
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It has merit, but in practice you won't eke out enough extra power to be relevant on your subjective scale without debilitating effects of some kind.
As for conduits...experiment and find out.
Sucal
The Devil’s Cut
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Let's work with the known unknowns before we start playing around with the unknown unknowns, since the known unknowns have a known basisAs for conduits...experiment and find out.
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We could ask our worshippers for blood/ki sacrifices, to power Spirit Bombs (when we unlock them)?It has merit, but in practice you won't eke out enough extra power to be relevant on your subjective scale without debilitating effects of some kind.
As for conduits...experiment and find out.
Sucal
The Devil’s Cut
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- Bottom of the barrel
Or they could just donate to the spirit bomb the normal not so creepy way
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What we can do with ki conduits is a known unknown, not an unknown unknown. We know that we don't know what we can do with ki conduits, making that unknown a known unknown, not an unknown unknown. An unknown unknown is when we don't know about something we don't know about.
Sucal
The Devil’s Cut
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- Bottom of the barrel
No spirit bomb is a known unknown. Conduits are an unknown unknown in that we don't even know if we can do anything with them only that research might be interesting
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The blood isn't the important part - if we could get them to donate (the normal way or otherwise) and then store that energy for later use, think of the shenanigans we could pull!
Hrmmm... Sucking energy from an enemy is a thing, and I've been pushing a grapple style anyway... What about using the target's OWN life force to fuel a boosted attack into a self-amplifying feedback loop? Turns the target's own strength against then in an externally induced suicide blast. Fits with the judo theme.
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That would be neat, and I'd honestly be much happier with that than a straight grappler if it turns out to be a thing. Kakara is a noted ki prodigy, and building a fighting style that mostly avoids that seemed untrue to the character, even if grappling-to-restrain does sidestep the pacifist malus.
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I don't think "make the enemy blow themselves up" is a move Kakara would want to invent.
Sucal
The Devil’s Cut
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- Bottom of the barrel
We are pacifists not android.
Besides, Seersom brings us the awesome potential to seal ki, so why risk them bringing it back by trying to steal it!
We should have hung out with the balors more dang nabbit!
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I was thinking more the "ki draining" part, not the "turn them into a suicide bomb" part. I don't even get where the extra energy is supposed to come from for that.
I have read this sentence three times, and all I can work out is you want to learn ki sealing?
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It's arguably less bad than a technique which hits them directly, since it can only be used on someone who is attacking you. Much easier to rationalise away.
ElleonXan
Self-Proclaimed King of the Dumpster Fires
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Something seems a bit wrong with this logic, but I'm not sure what. Also, I may be wrong but... I don't recall a battle like that. Was it in the middle of GT (which is the part I didn't watch) or did it happen in Super? Or was it actually in Z and am I just misremembering it? Mind telling me where it was?
Ah, there's where I don't think the idea adds up. Now, maybe it's just me, but I think you might have it a little backwards. You're equating the blood and other parts of your body to the energy source. I would personally equate it to more of the transfer network for that energy. It's sort of like plugging a 110 plug into a 220 outlet. (Trust me, not a fun experience.) The wires will still transfer the electricity to the device you plugged in, but they will also be damaged by using more than they can stand. (And possibly blow up or catch on fire. Like I said, not a fun experience.)
In this case, imagine that your... let's just call it a soul... is your energy source. It has an amount of energy that it can put out, but some small amount of that energy is held back as your "life force" because it powers your body and you need it to live. The rest is what you know as ki or power level. Training increases both. (Not that that's important at the moment.)
So when you fire off a special technique that uses "life force", you send the extra energy through your body... which harms the weaker passageways that your body's energy normally flows through. For your average person, whose pathways are already very small and undeveloped, this kills them as their body literally can no longer get enough energy to live.
But for someone who has trained and developed, who is already practiced in manipulating energy in the form of ki, they have the extra can afford to damage a bit of their body for that little bit of extra power. They're still getting the energy they need to live through their other energy pathways, but their "life energy receptors" (for lack of a better term) are damaged, so they're receiving it at a reduced rate.
Now since it's your body, it'll regenerate. But it regenerates in an inferior state, just like a broken bone is never quite as strong after it heals as it was before.
So that's why your life is effected, at least that's how I've always viewed it. If it was just "burning" the body for extra energy, then the body would heal no different that if they got cut and lost a lot of blood.
And... I was going to say something else, but seeing as it's nearly 4:30, I've lost my train of thought. Something something blood is such a small part of your body that you wouldn't be able to get much out of it or something. I honestly don't remember.
So I'll just jump into the other part of what you said that I think wasn't well thought out. First, let's forget everything I said above and focus only on your model of power energy stuff thing. You say that we can burn 10% of our blood for that extra... to use your percentages and our base power level... 2,625,000 PL in base form, 10.5 million at the highest strenght we have. (Golden Oozaru.) Sure, that would make for a much, much more powerful attack... but at the same time, would we be able to fight? You're basically taking the highest of high ends of when people have blood withdrawn, and in the middle of a fight to boot. Even the people who say that taking that much blood has no side effects still will tell you to not do any strenuous exercise for five hours and to rest and take in plenty of food and water afterwards... and that's with the blood going out in a steady flow. Having it all disappear would be disastrous, what with the 10% instant compression of your blood vessels... but even having us just lose the blood cells and leaving the plasma would still be inducing mild anemia for a rather insignificant power boost. All in all, for such a tiny boost it wouldn't be worth it when the possible (and yes, this is only possible) side effects include weakness, fatigue, dizziness and the like. And it doesn't just return diminishing returns, but the more we raise our power level to increase our ability to fight, the more we utterly destroy our ability to fight by inducing anemia.
In other words, you'd have to blow five to six of these in your most powerful form to equal the power level that Jaffur had years ago before his sealing... and at that time you'd be missing about 55% of your blood and, to quote Medical Daily "The final classification of hemorrhaging, Class 4, occurs when a person loses over 40 percent of their blood volume. A hemorrhage so severe requires immediate and major resuscitative help, or else the strain on the body's circulatory system will be too great to survive. The heart will no longer be able to maintain blood pressure and circulation, Alton said, so organs will fail and the patient will slip into a comatose state preceding death."
Or, to put it even plainer: this is the Dragon Ball Universe. As far as I can recall, there has NEVER been a battle that was won because the victor was just a tiny bit more powerful than the opponent. In battles at power levels like these, if the difference of power is that small there is no difference than if their power levels were the same. It all comes down to skill, technique, and sheer willpower and grit then. Power levels only matter when there is such a huge gap that it MUST be overcome by teamwork, development into a new transformative form, or author fiat.
And again, this is only from what I saw in Dragon Ball, DBZ and GT. Haven't seen Super yet, so anything there that contradicts this... well, guess I'll have to re-think this whole thing.
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I haven't watched Super because the Japanese voices for DB are cancer and I prefer waiting until shows come out in the English dub.
EDIT: @PoptartProdigy, what would would it say if we wore our armour during Command Training?
I said a few things in that post. What are you talking about specifically?
EDIT: @PoptartProdigy, what would would it say if we wore our armour during Command Training?
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ElleonXan
Self-Proclaimed King of the Dumpster Fires
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Tien fighting the Frieza Force and casually using the Mafuuba/ECW. Granted, it's been a while since I watched the DBZ anime, but I don't recall that bit.
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Um...I don't think your numbers quite work out. There's no reason to assume there is an equal spread of power within a person, if this theoretical life force power exists. I don't think it's reasonable to think that, for example, your nose has as much power as your heart (or an equivalent mass of heart tissue) - though it would explain Krillin's inability to keep up with the others.
In short, you are so far off on a tangent that I think you might be looping back around.
Jii-chan can teach us! He's already taught us some...or was that Japanese? Are the Japanese gods? He is our ancestor...
When did we, as a group, decide 'Pacifism means vampirism! Also, let's grow a goatee and stroke it!'
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Ah, no, I meant he used the Tri Beam casually in that fight.
There could be more ki in a person's blood than average or there could be less. I don't know for sure so I assumed the average for the sake of the argument.
It's not theoretical, it's been a part of the show since the Tri Beam was introduced. They noted that it used life force and thus decreased a person's lifespan.