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Except the Namekians.
Thats true, but even then they still understand Japanese dont they? Their language is their own and it's necessary for the dragonball, but they still speak to the z-warriors.

Also just to be clear not wanting to speak with the androids is fine and I understand why someone wouldn't want it, im just speaking against this one specific issue.
 
It was always Japanese.
Not in the dub, which is what most people in English-speaking countries experienced Dragon Ball in. A common complaint I have about anime games like this one or many Bleach ones is when GMs feel it's necessary to include Japanese beyond what was in the dubs because that's the original language the setting was in. It's really annoying.

In this case it's particularly bad because EVERYONE in DB (excluding the Namekians) spoke the same language and the introduction of Japanese in this English-language game breaks that aspect of the setting.
 
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Not in the dub, which is what most people in English-speaking countries experienced Dragon Ball in. A common complaint I have about anime games like this one or many Bleach ones is when GMs feel it's necessary to include Japanese beyond what was in the dubs because that's the original language the setting was in. It's really annoying.

In this case it's particularly bad because EVERYONE in DB (excluding the Namekians) spoke the same language and the introduction of Japanese in this English-language game breaks that aspect of the setting.

Have you considered the possibility that this Quest has always used Japanese in-universe and we're just reading it in English so we can understand it, which means the Androids wouldn't be speaking a different language?

Apologies if I'm misunderstanding your position, but I'm honestly not sure what you're saying.
 
Apologies if I'm misunderstanding your position, but I'm honestly not sure what you're saying.
My position is that this quest should've been like the English dub of DBZ so far as language goes. Instead of Gohan calling himself "jii-chan" or whatever it was, for example, he'd call himself "grandpa". None of this "they spoke a different language on Earth" business.

EDIT: @PoptartProdigy, sorry if I'm souring the good feelings you got from the portrait. I do believe it would be better without the excess Japanese but I don't think it's the worst thing ever. It uses names like "Krillin" and "Goku" which is sufficient in my eyes.
 
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A common complaint I have about anime games like this one or many Bleach ones is when GMs feel it's necessary to include Japanese beyond what was in the dubs because that's the original language the setting was in.

Meh. I only get miffed about that stuff with One Piece. Because by word of god they are officially speaking English, not Japanese.
 
Eh I understand your position from the point of preferring Destructo Disk to Kienzan, Krillin to Kurrruin and others of it's ilk. HOWEVER The series's heritage shouldn't be completely ignored, and even then the shows Eastern influences in many ways can't be ignored, from the fact the protagonist is called Son Goku, to his son's name being japanese for Rice, to it's use of eastern styled dragons.

Dragon Ball earth is however a fantasy version of earth, so while we might mostly see the fantasy version of Japan that doesn't mean it is or isn't Japan, in the end it all comes down to what Poptart says.
 
My position is that this quest should've been like the English dub of DBZ so far as language goes. Instead of Gohan calling himself "jii-chan" or whatever it was, for example, he'd call himself "grandpa". None of this "they spoke a different language on Earth" business.

EDIT: @PoptartProdigy, sorry if I'm souring the good feelings you got from the portrait. I do believe it would be better without the excess Japanese but I don't think it's the worst thing ever. It uses names like "Krillin" and "Goku" which is sufficient in my eyes.

Don't worry, you're fine. Honestly, the Japanese won't be seriously relevant. For one thing, I don't speak a word of it. In-universe, Earth is dead and any survivors will have long since learned whatever universal language the Namekians had. There are only three reasons it's even included to its present limited extent: I like some Japanese names, such as Kienzan, more than their dub variants and wanted an excuse to use them; I wanted to honor the Japanese heritage of the show; and I wanted a relatable part of the Exiles' culture that could have been lost over the course of the Exile. After all, it's all well and good to say that they've lost a lot, but if I directly say that this Earth was culturally Japanese, that makes the difference to the present day Exiles clear in a way that we can actually parse.
 
I like some Japanese names, such as Kienzan, more than their dub variants and wanted an excuse to use them
This I'm actually fine with. I'm not sure if it's DBZA's influence or if it's because Japanese attack names are common in dubs, but using Japanese for techniques and such in DB is fine. The Solar Flare's Japanese name is the only one that sounds weird to my ears, but not overly-so.

I wanted to honor the Japanese heritage of the show
...Don't. When I went over to Uruguay, I had Spanish-speaking relatives speak a word or phrase in English to me not to make it easier for me to understand, but because of a similar reason as you're doing. It was cringe-worthy, even when they were saying it right. I just wished they stuck to Spanish and Spanish sayings instead of...making the effort.

Then there was that time Obama came over to Australia and used some of the local slang. Might've his been way of "honouring our country" (it certainly wasn't done out of malice or disrespect), but as an Australian I would've much preferred that he used his own slang or none at all. It was just uncomfortable as it was.

It's even worse now because it's Dragon Ball, which has a lot in it that isn't Japanese. The cities in particular didn't seem Japanese at all.

I wanted a relatable part of the Exiles' culture that could have been lost over the course of the Exile.
You've been doing a good job of doing that without having to apply the blunt (and unfitting, since this is Dragon Ball) instrument of a change in language. The presence of such things as economics and intrigue show how far the Exiles have drifted since the days of Earth and the updates haven't even had to directly make that specific connection for it to be noticed, which is commendable.

What I really fear is that since the Exiles would have interest in reclaiming some of their old culture, they'll start speaking Japanese if they rediscovered it and that would be very off-putting to me. Japanese's presence in the small segments with Gohan are enough to make me want to avoid future segments with him, so I don't like the thought that we'd start seeing it in greater quantities.

whatever universal language the Namekians had.
As far as I'm aware, the Namekians' language was exclusive. There were two languages in the dub: Namekian (the one Piccolo Jr. and Kami used to talk to each other in the 23rd World Martial Arts Tournament) and English, which was the universal language of the setting that the Earthlings used.
 
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@PoptartProdigy, I have another idea inspired by Bleach.

Ok, so it's long been established that ki can be fired from places besides the hands like feet, the mouth, and the eyes. From what you said, we can also channel ki through these other body parts to do other things, like hearing and seeing ki instead of feeling it. Well, if these parts of our body can be put to use, why not our blood?

(The following examples are to show where the idea came from and perhaps some visual inspiration for its use here by showcasing the differences in the examples.)
Take a look at these two energy attacks. The first is a Cero, which is a simple but powerful beam attack.
Now take a look at a Gran Rey Cero, which is a far more powerful Cero produced by mixing in the user's blood into the attack.

Can we use blood like we can our ears and eyes to do something with ki? Maybe we can convert the blood into its equivalent amount of ki to create a massively (literally, in a way) powerful attack? (The principles of e=mc2​ were used to make nukes so there's a kind of precedence for the idea.) Or maybe we can use it as a form of improved ki healing?

EDIT: Blood is called "life essence" in many literary works, it's a physical thing in the same way muscles and sensory organs are, and has real life roots in ki by being used alongside it in a word-pairing in China, where the concept originated. (Source)
 
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@PoptartProdigy, I have another idea inspired by Bleach.

Ok, so it's long been established that ki can be fired from places besides the hands like feet, the mouth, and the eyes. From what you said, we can also channel ki through these other body parts to do other things, like hearing and seeing ki instead of feeling it. Well, if these parts of our body can be put to use, why not our blood?

(The following examples are to show where the idea came from and perhaps some visual inspiration for its use here by showcasing the differences in the examples.)
Take a look at these two energy attacks. The first is a Cero, which is a simple but powerful beam attack.
Now take a look at a Gran Rey Cero, which is a far more powerful Cero produced by mixing in the user's blood into the attack.

Can we use blood like we can our ears and eyes to do something with ki? Maybe we can convert the blood into its equivalent amount of ki to create a massively (literally, in a way) powerful attack? (The principles of e=mc2​ were used to make nukes so there's a kind of precedence for the idea.) Or maybe we can use it as a form of improved ki healing?
Using blood to enhance just seems like the type of thing a magic school would grant
 
Using blood to enhance just seems like the type of thing a magic school would grant
You may as well say using life or willpower to enhance is the type of thing a magic school would grant.

Blood is called "life essence" in many literary works, it's a physical thing in the same way muscles and sensory organs are, and has real life roots in ki by being used alongside it in a word-pairing in China, where the concept originated. (Source) I didn't ask about it just because I saw it in Bleach. (Though I should probably copy+paste this up in the previous post as well. Can't believe I forgot the first time around.)
 
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You may as well say using life or willpower to enhance is the type of thing a magic school would grant.

Blood is called "life essence" in literary works, it's a physical thing in the same way muscles and sensory organs are, and has real life roots in ki by sharing the same word with it in Chinese (Qi) where the concept originated. I didn't ask about it just because I saw it in Bleach. (Though I should probably copy+paste this up in the previous post as well. Can't believe I forgot the first time around.)

In the way it matters though, you already have Ki if you want to enhance something by using your life essence. Theres a certain level of weirdness that should be reserved for magic and similar options.

Also I find it MASSIVELY MASSIVELY MASSIVELY hypocritical of you that your attempting to use certain asian principles to support your argument barely a page after you complained about people merely using japanese words or stating that previous people had a more japanese based culture.
 
Theres a certain level of weirdness that should be reserved for magic and similar options.
I FIRMLY disagree. I think that ki should be allowed to do weird shit too, and already does so using examples such as Multiform, Four Witches, and the god ritual.

Also I find it MASSIVELY MASSIVELY MASSIVELY hypocritical of you that your attempting to use certain asian principles to support your argument barely a page after you complained about people merely using japanese words or stating that previous people had a more japanese based culture.
You think that because you have a poor understanding of the differences in the two cases.
 
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I FIRMLY disagree. I think that ki should be allowed to do weird shit too, and already does so using examples such as Multiform, Four Witches, and the god ritual.


You think that because you have a poor understanding of the differences in the two cases.

One involves demanding to use Western words and saying its a western only culture.

The other is demanding that despite your demand for western words and western culture, that they still possess many of the same concepts inherent in the eastern cultures, despite not having the same language or basis.

And you can't keep demanding more and more stuff be classified as 'weird ki shit'. Whats next, your gonna say creating wish granting balls and giant dragons is a ki thing?
 
One involves demanding to use Western words and saying its a western only culture.

The other is demanding that despite your demand for western words and western culture, that they still possess many of the same concepts inherent in the eastern cultures, despite not having the same language or basis.
Not using English words everywhere (which is what I assume you meant), just in non-Namekian general language. Not saying Earth is a Western-only culture, I'm saying it's not a Japanese-only culture which makes "honouring its Japanese heritage" extra not-appropriate/misguided.

What you have done is I believe called "strawmanning".
 
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I've been using the Japanese names for stuff pretty much entirely because they're called such in the Quest, and because the names are pretty much all for things that don't really exist (Oozaru, Kienzan) so it doesn't bother me the same way that other "real" things would. Gohan's insistence on a few unobtrusive Japanese terms Kakara doesn't count on the basis he's basically mourning his dead culture, it's kind of sweet, and it's very obvious it's a foreign language that Kakara doesn't recognise instead of replacing English terms without comment. And calling Sensei such is an exception to me purely because I called several people Sensei for several years when I still actively practised karate.

You may as well say using life or willpower to enhance is the type of thing a magic school would grant.

Blood is called "life essence" in many literary works, it's a physical thing in the same way muscles and sensory organs are, and has real life roots in ki by being used alongside it in a word-pairing in China, where the concept originated. (Source) I didn't ask about it just because I saw it in Bleach. (Though I should probably copy+paste this up in the previous post as well. Can't believe I forgot the first time around.)

In the way it matters though, you already have Ki if you want to enhance something by using your life essence. Theres a certain level of weirdness that should be reserved for magic and similar options.

Also I find it MASSIVELY MASSIVELY MASSIVELY hypocritical of you that your attempting to use certain asian principles to support your argument barely a page after you complained about people merely using japanese words or stating that previous people had a more japanese based culture.

I think it's unfair to equate reference to the literary pedigree Dragon Ball hails from to a fear of future more-obtrusive language insertions, but I have to agree that Ki manipulation feels pretty distinct from blood stuff, at least in Dragon Ball, and instead far more magic-y. Unless we have a prior example of converting something into/from Ki I've forgotten?

EDIT: Oh and for the picture, maybe collect several ideas and hold a vote on it? I personally think that as the portrait is of Kakara examining a trait would be a good fit, but it's hard to tell what the thread as a whole wants sometimes.
 
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So ki+muscles=more strength, ki+senses=ki senses, but ki+blood=nothing? Not even healing?
If you want to do stuff that involve super charging yourself with life energy, thats why we are looking into Spirit Bomb/Tiens form.

The type of spooky stuff involving blood is exactly the type of thing that should be used to give sorcery a bad name. A ki healer coming in flowing energy to fix your wounds is understandable, a sorceror that bleeds you then sprinkles the blood all over you seems weird and spooky (even if its far more effective technique then the ki version).

Sorcery and Magic in general works better if you give it that type of conceptual stuff, while Ki works better when you do things a bit more straightforwardly. A ki sight enhancement works because you know how to give yourself a third eye, not because your drawing on the concept of sight and lens to make the faint visible.
 
a sorceror that bleeds you then sprinkles the blood all over you seems weird and spooky
...At this point I should clarify that I meant self-healing.

Sorcery and Magic in general works better if you give it that type of conceptual stuff, while Ki works better when you do things a bit more straightforwardly. A ki sight enhancement works because you know how to give yourself a third eye, not because your drawing on the concept of sight and lens to make the faint visible.
If the Power Ball wasn't an already established part of canon you'd be arguing that the creation of fake moons should be left to magic instead of ki.
 
...At this point I should clarify that I meant self-healing.


If the Power Ball wasn't an already established part of canon you'd be arguing that the creation of fake moons should be left to magic instead of ki.

Not true at all.

I'm perfectly ok with Ki techniques that mimic natural phenomena (see Solar Flare).

Its when techniques start to get more unnatural that I think they should be magic (see transforming without a full moon or power ball)
 
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