Dragon Ball: After the End

[Andres]

Well, the first two are what the thing in question does turned up to 11

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I'll argue "turning senses up to 11" as that would be, using eyes for example, "see further and sharper", not "see ki". Changing the frequency rather than increasing the volume, as it were. Of course, it can also do "see further and sharper" as well as eye beams.

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Unless we have a prior example of converting something into/from Ki I've forgotten?

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I've just remembered but we kinda sorta do in a way! It just...wasn't limited to blood. Here, I've drawn up a diagram showing my idea.

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In the top bit, we have a normal energy wave with a bit of blood in the centre, being pushed and kept into the centre by the attack itself.
In the second bit, we see the drop of blood releasing all its energy at once like Vegeta did (and blood cells are living things so they're capable of generating ki, holding it, and releasing it), increasing the power of the attack and leaving a grey "husk" of blood behind.

 

[Deathbybunnies]

I'll argue "turning senses up to 11" as that would be, using eyes for example, "see further and sharper", not "see ki". Changing the frequency rather than increasing the volume, as it were. Of course, it can also do "see further and sharper" as well as eye beams.

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I've just remembered but we kinda sorta do in a way! It just...wasn't limited to blood. Here, I've drawn up a diagram showing my idea.

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In the top bit, we have a normal energy wave with a bit of blood in the centre, being pushed and kept into the centre by the attack itself.
In the second bit, we see the drop of blood releasing all its energy at once like Vegeta did (and blood cells are living things so they're capable of generating ki, holdthing it, and releasing it), increasing the power of the attack and leaving a grey "husk" of blood behind.

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I don't remember this at all. When did Vegeta pull this trick out of his hat impressive hair?

EDIT: Missed the video somehow, ignore this foolish post.

 

[Bakkasama]

Can we use blood like we can our ears and eyes to do something with ki? Maybe we can convert the blood into its equivalent amount of ki to create a massively (literally, in a way) powerful attack? (The principles of e=mc2 were used to make nukes so there's a kind of precedence for the idea.) Or maybe we can use it as a form of improved ki healing?

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For my part, I am very reluctant about this idea. Part of it is that it is inspired in an entirely different setting and rules but most of all because it seems pointless.

Getting ki out of it could be taken two ways as I see. The first would be by drawing the life energy out of it and the second would be by transforming its mass into energy. The first one is something the Tienshinhan style already does but taking it from all the body. Taking the energy from the blood would likely have one of two results; either the amount of energy would be a lot smaller than if we took it from the whole body (given the difference in size) or it would damage the specific part from which we are taking the energy faster than the method from which we take from the whole body, which is more likely to kill us on top of getting less power out of it overall.

The second would be converting it into energy of which I also see some issues. The first and most obvious one is the example you gave later of Vegeta doing that. If that were indeed what he were doing then the power you would get out of using blood would be a lot less since it would have a lot less mass and the amount you would need to use would likely weaken you more than it is worth for the boost given. However, there is also the fact that what Vegeta did in that video is likely the same Gohan did against the enemy and the difference in power of both attacks suggests that it has to do more with power level than amount of mass.

Then there is the fact that if you were indeed transforming mass into energy, you would need to consider the amount of mass you are transforming. In theory, small amounts of mass could be transformed into huge amounts of energy but to do that you would have to destroy it completely. How would you even begin to do that? From a distance no less? The example of nukes did not destroy all the mass used but relied on the neutrons released by the fissure of atoms to crash with others to Split them but that was only possible because they were already unstable. Even if you managed to do the same with blood, the mass of radioactive material that you need to cause a chain reaction like the ones you use in nukes is measured in kilos, hardly something you want for your blood. So you would be stuck with trying to find a more efficient method as to cause complete destruction of matter if you wanted to use it, of which to only known method, IIRC, is the creation of antimatter. Now, it might be posible and even likely that you know more about the subject than I do but if so you would have to explain your idea better than this and why, if it is posible, would you even use a part of your body instead of, say, a rock.

Even if you did convert it to energy then there is the matter of it being more likely caloric energy instead of ki. You would have to devise a technique just to transform other types of energy into ki, and by that point you might as well take advantage of this to take the energy from:

The air cracks as your hands fly through it at top speed.

There's a point at which your strength means you're no longer creating something so plebeian as sonic booms when you punch. Eventually you get so powerful that you punch fast enough to make air molecules stand still in comparison. And when hit by a Super Saiyan, those air molecules break.

But you're not punching hard enough to make that effect cascade, so your surroundings remain intact. Nonetheless, you are training to the sound of very, very small fission explosions every time you throw a punch, wrapped in the fiery gold of your aura.

"You're being careless."

You snort, ignoring your Dad.

"Kakara, stop."

You huff and straighten. "What, Dad?"

He steps forward, further into the Hall. "Kakara, you need to control yourself. There's a reason why Super Saiyans don't move through the world in a haze of mushroom clouds. Use your ki, and ease your way through the air."

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Which, you might notice, does not particularly bother the super saiyan with enough energy to blow up planets, which is something our weapons have yet to be able to achieve.

Now, I haven't read that article you posted about blood yet since I have to go to work so I don't know about healing techniques but if you just wanted to use energy taken from blood then my argument still stands. If not, you will have to wait until I have time to read it to discuss that part.

 

[The Fourth Monado]

@PoptartProdigy, I have another idea inspired by Bleach.

Ok, so it's long been established that ki can be fired from places besides the hands like feet, the mouth, and the eyes. From what you said, we can also channel ki through these other body parts to do other things, like hearing and seeing ki instead of feeling it. Well, if these parts of our body can be put to use, why not our blood?

(The following examples are to show where the idea came from and perhaps some visual inspiration for its use here by showcasing the differences in the examples.)
Take a look at these two energy attacks. The first is a Cero, which is a simple but powerful beam attack.

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Now take a look at a Gran Rey Cero, which is a far more powerful Cero produced by mixing in the user's blood into the attack.

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Can we use blood like we can our ears and eyes to do something with ki? Maybe we can convert the blood into its equivalent amount of ki to create a massively (literally, in a way) powerful attack? (The principles of e=mc2​ were used to make nukes so there's a kind of precedence for the idea.) Or maybe we can use it as a form of improved ki healing?

EDIT: Blood is called "life essence" in many literary works, it's a physical thing in the same way muscles and sensory organs are, and has real life roots in ki by being used alongside it in a word-pairing in China, where the concept originated. (Source)

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...Hm.

Interesting idea.

 

[Ridiculously Average Guy]

Can we use blood like we can our ears and eyes to do something with ki? Maybe we can convert the blood into its equivalent amount of ki to create a massively (literally, in a way) powerful attack? (The principles of e=mc2 were used to make nukes so there's a kind of precedence for the idea.) Or maybe we can use it as a form of improved ki healing?

EDIT: Blood is called "life essence" in many literary works, it's a physical thing in the same way muscles and sensory organs are, and has real life roots in ki by being used alongside it in a word-pairing in China, where the concept originated. (Source)

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Alternatively, we could use it to induce Super Saiyan.

 

[Pandemonious Ivy]

I literally just caught up, but... wouldn't now be a really good time to talk to Berra about undoing the Seal on Jaffur?

I mean, unless I'm mistaken there are 3 active Super Saiyans plus Kakara.

Unlocking Vegeta himself is a shit idea, but unlocking his son is a good idea. Gives him time to return to training so he can use that overwhelming power against the incoming army. It neuters the revolt and uprising as well by returning the Scion to them, and gives them guidance.

Plus it looks good if we don't have to undermine Berra and we can just work together with him on this.

I think it's worth considering, but then again, I didn't read the obscene amounts of conversation in between updates.

 

[anailater]

I literally just caught up, but... wouldn't now be a really good time to talk to Berra about undoing the Seal on Jaffur?

I mean, unless I'm mistaken there are 3 active Super Saiyans plus Kakara.

Unlocking Vegeta himself is a shit idea, but unlocking his son is a good idea. Gives him time to return to training so he can use that overwhelming power against the incoming army. It neuters the revolt and uprising as well by returning the Scion to them, and gives them guidance.

Plus it looks good if we don't have to undermine Berra and we can just work together with him on this.

I think it's worth considering, but then again, I didn't read the obscene amounts of conversation in between updates.

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I'd like it, but I'd prefer to wait to see if the invasion becomes a power issue. If we ask for the unsealing now we make our stance and continued rebellion against it, though not the conspiracy part, clear to our father to see. If we wait until such a time it looks like we need more power or otherwise we will die, then it becomes less of a point of issue.

 

[Pandemonious Ivy]

I'd like it, but I'd prefer to wait to see if the invasion becomes a power issue. If we ask for the unsealing now we make our stance and continued rebellion against it, though not the conspiracy part, clear to our father to see. If we wait until such a time it looks like we need more power or otherwise we will die, then it becomes less of a point of issue.

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That seems like it'd be too late. Least we can do is plant the idea so it'll be easier to revisit later, if necessary.

 

[anailater]

That seems like it'd be too late. Least we can do is plant the idea so it'll be easier to revisit later, if necessary.

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Oh I dont think suggesting it is a bad idea at all, I'd just refrain from pushing the idea to much, if we suggest it at the start of the invasion and get a firm no, then dont push it until the invasion looks like it could get super bad.

 

[Andres]

The first one is something the Tienshinhan style already does but taking it from all the body. Taking the energy from the blood would likely have one of two results; either the amount of energy would be a lot smaller than if we took it from the whole body (given the difference in size) or it would damage the specific part from which we are taking the energy faster than the method from which we take from the whole body, which is more likely to kill us on top of getting less power out of it overall.

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That is not what I meant.

If that were indeed what he were doing then the power you would get out of using blood would be a lot less since it would have a lot less mass and the amount you would need to use would likely weaken you more than it is worth for the boost given.

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It would indeed be a lot less, but that's fine. The Kamehameha outputs less power than the Final Explosion but we still use it. I disagree that the amount necessary for it to be worth it requires so much that we'll be weakened afterwards, though.

However, there is also the fact that what Vegeta did in that video is likely the same Gohan did against the enemy and the difference in power of both attacks suggests that it has to do more with power level than amount of mass.

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The post I made about using the Vegeta explosion method actually talked about using the blood's power level and ki pool, not its physics-based mass-to-energy ratio. Hence my usage of "kinda sorta in a way".

Ki is stored in the body. When Goku's body was downgraded in GT, he had a lower ki pool and thus couldn't maintain SS3 for as long. Ki is not stored solely in the muscles, because that would be silly. It can be assumed that the whole body holds ki and that blood is capable of holding ki due blood being part of the body and being alive. The blood's pool of ki is usually tapped alongside the rest of the body's ki to do stuff. It's a normal thing. The idea is to instead of tapping the blood within our body for ki, as we usually do, we tap into a bit of blood outside our body and make it release all its ki all at once.

It is not an ultra-powerful attack as my original (and in hindsight, half-baked) idea was, but it does provide at least a small edge.

 

[Bakkasama]

I literally just caught up, but... wouldn't now be a really good time to talk to Berra about undoing the Seal on Jaffur?

I mean, unless I'm mistaken there are 3 active Super Saiyans plus Kakara.

Unlocking Vegeta himself is a shit idea, but unlocking his son is a good idea. Gives him time to return to training so he can use that overwhelming power against the incoming army. It neuters the revolt and uprising as well by returning the Scion to them, and gives them guidance.

Plus it looks good if we don't have to undermine Berra and we can just work together with him on this.

I think it's worth considering, but then again, I didn't read the obscene amounts of conversation in between updates.

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The issue with the invasión is not the power required to stop but stoping it without Garenhulders or the aliens noticing Saiyans live in the planet. Garenhuld saiyans should have enough firepower to slaughter the invaders even if there were no super saiyans. So asking about undoing the seal because of them wouldn't work because we need more subtlety, not more dakka.

Ki is stored in the body. When Goku's body was downgraded in GT, he had a lower ki pool and thus couldn't maintain SS3 for as long. Ki is not stored solely in the muscles, because that would be silly. It can be assumed that the whole body holds ki and that blood is capable of holding ki due blood being part of the body and being alive. The blood's pool of ki is usually tapped alongside the rest of the body's ki to do stuff. It's a normal thing. The idea is to instead of tapping the blood within our body for ki, as we usually do, we tap into a bit of blood outside our body and make it release all its ki all at once.

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I don't think it quite works that way. If blood outside the body had any substantial amount of ki then people would be able to sense the power levels of those who are bleeding despite them trying to hide their ki.

Actually, now that I think about it... @PoptartProdigy since we are using the BoD power level system, does that mean we are using their explanation about what ki is? Because if so, to use the ki in the blood as @Andres110 puts it we would need to be able to control the spiritual energy inside of it from afar so that it can actually Access ki.

 

[Sucal]

Actually, now that I think about it... @PoptartProdigy since we are using the BoD power level system, does that mean we are using their explanation about what ki is? Because if so, to use the ki in the blood as @Andres110 puts it we would need to be able to control the spiritual energy inside of it from afar so that it can actually Access ki.

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God I hope not

That doesn't do in the wizard, it sets him on fire and rapes his family! (I like my magical energies a little more magical you know)

 

[Andres]

If blood outside the body had any substantial amount of ki then people would be able to sense the power levels of those who are bleeding despite them trying to hide their ki.

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I don't see how they would. Skin, being alive and part of the body, has ki yet people can still hide their ki despite that.

Because if so, to use the ki in the blood as @Andres110 puts it we would need to be able to control the spiritual energy inside of it from afar so that it can actually Access ki.

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Controlling ki from afar isn't a new thing. Trunks when he diverted his blast attack during the World Martial Arts Tournament, Vegeta diverting the Final Flash at the last minute so he wouldn't blow up the planet, Frieza killing Krillin, etc. The blood might actually help in that regard.

God I hope not

That doesn't do in the wizard, it sets him on fire and rapes his family! (I like my magical energies a little more magical you know)

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...Wrong thread?

 

[Sucal]

...Wrong thread?

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Nope

read that fics explanation of what Ki energy is.

Its terrible

 

[Bakkasama]

Controlling ki from afar isn't a new thing. Trunks when he diverted his blast attack during the World Martial Arts Tournament, Vegeta diverting the Final Flash at the last minute so he wouldn't blow up the planet, Frieza killing Krillin, etc. The blood might actually help in that regard.

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The BoD explanation is basically that ki is not actually generated by the user. There is apparently something called vacuum energy (don't ask me to explain, it has to do with quantum physics and I haven't studied those) which is all around us and ki is when a living being uses their spirit to cannel it through their bodies. Spiritual energy tells living cells to harness energy all around us. Training is important because it makes the body used to cannel more energy and meditation also Works as training because it gets you more in touch with yourself and harness more. So if using the BoD explanation, the problema with using blood outside the body and its ki is that you somehow need to make the spirit in the live cells harness the vacuum energy. Ki is not already contained within the blood but it must be gathered by it.

...Wrong thread?

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Some people don't like giving "scientific" explanations to mystic energies in stories since it cheapens them. The whole point of magic is that is magic and thus can't be completely explained so to do so is like Reading a HP fic in which they use SCIENCE, BITCH! in order to explain everything about magic and become the uberwizard and tell everyone they were wrong about everything because of course a kid with no idea about magic can explain it in a few years when they don't even know enough to know they don't know something now.

To explain the trick kills the wizard, basically which is why @Sucal compared using quantum physics to justify something loosely based in oriental mysticism to

God I hope not

That doesn't do in the wizard, it sets him on fire and rapes his family! (I like my magical energies a little more magical you know)

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I mean, I do admit that he has a point on having magical energies being magical, it is just that it didn't bother me that much when I sourced it since it just explains the physical effects of it but it still basically leaves the why and how one can do it as BECAUSE MY SOUL SAID SO!

 

[Andres]

There is apparently something called vacuum energy (don't ask me to explain, it has to do with quantum physics and I haven't studied those) which is all around us and ki is when a living being uses their spirit to cannel it through their bodies.

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...Somehow, I don't think Akira Toriyama had quantum physics in mind when he was thinking of ki.

 

[Aranfan]

The BoD explanation is basically that ki is not actually generated by the user.

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That basically goes completely against all the themes, so I'mma ignore it.

 

[PoptartProdigy]

Blood in particular would be of possible use as a conduit of ki, or perhaps a battery, but as a consumable power source? This is basically what Tien's Kikoho or a self-destruction attack already does. Localizing the damage to the blood would have some possible use in that the body would be spared, but it would force exsanguination with alarming speed; an animal like even an adult saiyan won't even have two full gallons of blood to burn, and they'll start passing out well before then.

I literally just caught up, but... wouldn't now be a really good time to talk to Berra about undoing the Seal on Jaffur?

I mean, unless I'm mistaken there are 3 active Super Saiyans plus Kakara.

Unlocking Vegeta himself is a shit idea, but unlocking his son is a good idea. Gives him time to return to training so he can use that overwhelming power against the incoming army. It neuters the revolt and uprising as well by returning the Scion to them, and gives them guidance.

Plus it looks good if we don't have to undermine Berra and we can just work together with him on this.

I think it's worth considering, but then again, I didn't read the obscene amounts of conversation in between updates.

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Welcome aboard!

Actually, now that I think about it... @PoptartProdigy since we are using the BoD power level system, does that mean we are using their explanation about what ki is?

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Broadly. I haven't the faintest idea what vacuum energy is, but the "three in one" aspect of genki, yuki, and shoki, I'm aboard with. All the other technobabble that the author put in there seems honestly quite irrelevant, so take it if you like, leave it if you don't.

Regarding Tien's stuff or self-destruction attacks: if BOD is correct and ki is a force that living beings channel, then the techniques work by overcharging the body's ability to channel at the cost of bodily harm. If it's produced by the body, then they're either overcharging production or consuming themselves for power. It doesn't matter to me. Either way, ouchie=power.

God I hope not

That doesn't do in the wizard, it sets him on fire and rapes his family! (I like my magical energies a little more magical you know)

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Good news, then!

As a more general note: BOD has at last updated, but the author has not responded to my request for a dialogue on later power level mechanics. I assume there isn't going to be one. Nathaniel and I have long since devised our own system anyway given that I spent months waiting and we needed something, so as a general heads-up, this quest's handling of power levels, for everything north of the initial SSJ2 transformation, is no longer BOD-compliant. We still have a system all worked out, just be aware that the figures you see may eventually diverge from BOD's canon.

 

[Andres]

Localizing the damage to the blood would have some possible use in that the body would be spared, but it would force exsanguination with alarming speed

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How so? If I cut my finger with a knife, there is a very very low chance that I'd bleed to death or even bleed enough that I'd be physically debilitated. And what of my idea to use it to self-heal?

 

[PoptartProdigy]

How so? If I cut my finger with a knife, there is a very very low chance that I'd bleed to death or even bleed enough that I'd be physically debilitated. And what of my idea to use it to self-heal?

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It would take more blood than that. The average person is supposed to die upon firing a Kikoho, so there's plainly a lot of damage required for that kind of effect.

Self-healing is fine. Fits in with the "blood as conduit" idea.

 

[Deathbybunnies]

I literally just caught up, but... wouldn't now be a really good time to talk to Berra about undoing the Seal on Jaffur?

I mean, unless I'm mistaken there are 3 active Super Saiyans plus Kakara.

Unlocking Vegeta himself is a shit idea, but unlocking his son is a good idea. Gives him time to return to training so he can use that overwhelming power against the incoming army. It neuters the revolt and uprising as well by returning the Scion to them, and gives them guidance.

Plus it looks good if we don't have to undermine Berra and we can just work together with him on this.

I think it's worth considering, but then again, I didn't read the obscene amounts of conversation in between updates.

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Hey there! Welcome! I'm afraid we aren't playing Princess Kratos here either, but hope springs eternal, eh?

I've been thinking along similar lines quietly, but in order to overcome Berra's nigh-determinator stance on anything that he sees as "fixing his mistakes" (which the sealing qualified as) we'd have to put together a really impressive argument. In order to do so, I think we'd have to tell him about our vision of Jaffur (so as to argue not only was it wrong in the first place, but you didn't just consign him to a boring life you left him in permanent solitary detention) and in order to really get him on board for that, I think we'd have to allow him a mind delve. Which is possible - especially if we consent to having Dandelor seal our memories of the rebellion entirely, as he was going to do for the Senzu's location - but would be a huge risk. If we could find a way to do it though, avoiding the inevitable civil war and family cataclysm that currently looms would be a huge bonus.

Blood in particular would be of possible use as a conduit of ki, or perhaps a battery, but as a consumable power source? This is basically what Tien's Kikoho or a self-destruction attack already does. Localizing the damage to the blood would have some possible use in that the body would be spared, but it would force exsanguination with alarming speed; an animal like even an adult saiyan won't even have two full gallons of blood to burn, and they'll start passing out well before then.



Welcome aboard!



Broadly. I haven't the faintest idea what vacuum energy is, but the "three in one" aspect of genki, yuki, and shoki, I'm aboard with. All the other technobabble that the author put in there seems honestly quite irrelevant, so take it if you like, leave it if you don't.

Regarding Tien's stuff or self-destruction attacks: if BOD is correct and ki is a force that living beings channel, then the techniques work by overcharging the body's ability to channel at the cost of bodily harm. If it's produced by the body, then they're either overcharging production or consuming themselves for power. It doesn't matter to me. Either way, ouchie=power.



Good news, then!

As a more general note: BOD has at last updated, but the author has not responded to my request for a dialogue on later power level mechanics. I assume there isn't going to be one. Nathaniel and I have long since devised our own system anyway given that I spent months waiting and we needed something, so as a general heads-up, this quest's handling of power levels, for everything north of the initial SSJ2 transformation, is no longer BOD-compliant. We still have a system all worked out, just be aware that the figures you see may eventually diverge from BOD's canon.

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I tried reading BOD and couldn't get past chapter 3 before I gave up, so it's no skin off my nose - and a bit of mystery about transformations Kakara doesn't really know about is no bad thing.

 

[Pandemonious Ivy]

Hey there! Welcome! I'm afraid we aren't playing Princess Kratos here either, but hope springs eternal, eh?

I've been thinking along similar lines quietly, but in order to overcome Berra's nigh-determinator stance on anything that he sees as "fixing his mistakes" (which the sealing qualified as) we'd have to put together a really impressive argument. In order to do so, I think we'd have to tell him about our vision of Jaffur (so as to argue not only was it wrong in the first place, but you didn't just consign him to a boring life you left him in permanent solitary detention) and in order to really get him on board for that, I think we'd have to allow him a mind delve. Which is possible - especially if we consent to having Dandelor seal our memories of the rebellion entirely, as he was going to do for the Senzu's location - but would be a huge risk. If we could find a way to do it though, avoiding the inevitable civil war and family cataclysm that currently looms would be a huge bonus.



I tried reading BOD and couldn't get past chapter 3 before I gave up, so it's no skin off my nose - and a bit of mystery about transformations Kakara doesn't really know about is no bad thing.

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We're closer to Princess Kratos here than we are elsewhere, so I'm perfectly fine with the state of this quest so far haha

 

[Andres]

The average person is supposed to die upon firing a Kikoho, so there's plainly a lot of damage required for that kind of effect.

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The "average person" (which I assume means muggles or near-muggles) would die because the minimum ki/life force requirements are more than their bodies have. Just like the Evil Containment Wave, this can be avoided (or at least greatly mitigated) by simply having enough power. Tien uses it rather casually when he fought the Frieza Force so his power has probably increased to the point where the amount of life force the attack takes relative to his total life force isn't that great.

My point: It needs a lot of damage, but only in terms of absolute damage, not relative damage. If it requires 10k HP to use, that's deadly for someone with only 10k HP, but less so for someone who has 1 million HP.

So, say that a a high-power person has 1 million life force units spread throughout their body. A person's blood makes up 7% of their body so assuming blood holds the same amount of LF, that's 70k units of LF in the blood. IIRC, a person can lose 10% of their blood before suffering from any debilitating effects, so that's 7k units of LF free to use.

So, 0.7% of the body's LF can be used all at once without any debilitating effects due to blood loss and with life force loss localised only to the used blood instead of the entirety of the body, sparing the user of a loss in lifespan. Whether or not 0.7% of a person's LF is a lot depends on how much of a person's LF is taken by the Tri Beam, and that's something I don't know.

 

[Deathbybunnies]

The "average person" (which I assume means muggles or near-muggles) would die because the minimum ki/life force requirements are more than their bodies have. Just like the Evil Containment Wave, this can be avoided (or at least greatly mitigated) by simply having enough power. Tien uses it rather casually when he fought the Frieza Force so his power has probably increased to the point where the amount of life force the attack takes relative to his total life force isn't that great.

My point: It needs a lot of damage, but only in terms of absolute damage, not relative damage. If it requires 10k HP to use, that's deadly for someone with only 10k HP, but less so for someone who has 1 million HP.

So, say that a a high-power person has 1 million life force units spread throughout their body. A person's blood makes up 7% of their body so assuming blood holds the same amount of LF, that's 70k units of LF in the blood. IIRC, a person can lose 10% of their blood before suffering from any debilitating effects, so that's 7k units of LF free to use.

So, 0.7% of the body's LF can be used all at once without any debilitating effects due to blood loss and with life force loss localised only to the used blood instead of the entirety of the body, sparing the user of a loss in lifespan. Whether or not 0.7% of a person's LF is a lot depends on how much of a person's LF is taken by the Tri Beam, and that's something I don't know.

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On the other hand, I imagine the technique does significantly more damage at higher power levels, like every other technique, so scaling/%-based costs make sense?

 

[PoptartProdigy]

The "average person" (which I assume means muggles or near-muggles) would die because the minimum ki/life force requirements are more than their bodies have. Just like the Evil Containment Wave, this can be avoided (or at least greatly mitigated) by simply having enough power. Tien uses it rather casually when he fought the Frieza Force so his power has probably increased to the point where the amount of life force the attack takes relative to his total life force isn't that great.

My point: It needs a lot of damage, but only in terms of absolute damage, not relative damage. If it requires 10k HP to use, that's deadly for someone with only 10k HP, but less so for someone who has 1 million HP.

So, say that a a high-power person has 1 million life force units spread throughout their body. A person's blood makes up 7% of their body so assuming blood holds the same amount of LF, that's 70k units of LF in the blood. IIRC, a person can lose 10% of their blood before suffering from any debilitating effects, so that's 7k units of LF free to use.

So, 0.7% of the body's LF can be used all at once without any debilitating effects due to blood loss and with life force loss localised only to the used blood instead of the entirety of the body, sparing the user of a loss in lifespan. Whether or not 0.7% of a person's LF is a lot depends on how much of a person's LF is taken by the Tri Beam, and that's something I don't know.

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A fair point, but that cuts both-

On the other hand, I imagine the technique does significantly more damage at higher power levels, like every other technique, so scaling/%-based costs make sense?

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-that. Exactly that.