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@PoptartProdigy, no SS4 musings?
DeathbB had Tenshinhan training x1 in his plan, whereas Aranfan had x2. I'll edit my post.Wait, how does that even work? Is Aranfan's plan exceded in actions or is deathbunnies left with another one?
Aranfan:
-[] Maintain Grades (2 actions)
[] Learn Tenshinhan Style x2
[] Family First
DbB:
[] Slack (1 action)
[ ] Train Ki Manipulation (2 actions):
[ ] New Tricks (1 action):Telepathy
From what I can tell, these are the main differences between yours and Aranfan's plans. I will probably go for Aranfan's plan, as it seems like it'd be more efficient? Tien stylex2 as opposed to x1 means more progress on the Multiform (plus it outweighs the penalty from Pacifist). Ki manipulation seems like it isn't focused enough? Like, it'd be nice to have, but it's not necessary now. Same with Telepathy. Family First is also something I want to do now, as letting it fester seems wrong (and OOC for Kakara).
I'm sure my plan adds up to 13, I had a count and everything.NEVER!
It does seem like a good alternative if you don't care about grades or our brother being a little shit over him wanting to be a super saiyan. Granted, we don't have enemies that could use him as a pretender against us if they convince him he deserves to be super saiyan more tan us but the more we wait to solve our issues with him, the harder they will become since he will become used to think ill of us.
Wait, how does that even work? Is Aranfan's plan exceded in actions or is deathbunnies left with another one?
To be honest, I am really wary of attacks charged with our own life-force. That seems like something that we'll seriously regret in the long run. It'll be the best option in a given situation, and we'll pay the price... but by having it in our arsenal instead of other options, it will keep being the best option, and we'll wither away. Also, are we sure it'll work with the spirit bomb in the manner you're suggesting? I don't remember anything like that in the manga, and the quest has already changed the way some stuff works mechanically....I'm picturing a Trunks style golden great ape wielding a greatsword the size of the Eiffel tower.
Still, the style which maximizes our advantages and minimizes our disadvantages is multiform and four witches enhanced grappling because it allows us to dodge the pacifism malus and creates many more combat opportunities for IT. We saw in the Jaffur fight that IT has limited utility one-on-one due to the charge time. The style would also make the most of ki blocking when it becomes available. Since the best style to be it on is Tien, that also means learning life-fueling, which is practically a superpower if we rediscover the spirit bomb as we are exceptionally well primed to do.
I thought the text was pretty explicit in that the mass murder came from the Oozaru, not anything he himself wanted. These things are explicitly know to cause murderous rampages, to the point where overcoming those impulses is basically the entire point of the training. That he did so in a mildly intelligent fashion (after trying the same trick again for the twentieth time) doesn't overrule that, or Dad would have dealt with him already.Telepathy is extremely important for subversive activities, to say nothing of being the only quick and safe way to contact the Senzu.
Mato is going to be a huge problem if left to simmer. He tried to commit mass murder. That wasn't just wild reflex- he cunningly figured out how to do it in a way which couldn't be stopped. He wasn't in his right mind, but there was intelligence there and the resentful malice didn't just come from the ape. This is going to turn into a much bigger deal than just a strained relationship when he hits puberty.
Those are good points. @PoptartProdigy when designing the style, how badly would we be penalised for changing the style later on to include newly learned skills/things from other styles, and possibly change our involved/penalizeds?
@PoptartProdigy a while ago you said we'd be hitting an age upgrade for willpower. Is that this year or next year?
@PoptartProdigy can we get a rolling on whether it is at least plausible as far as the character can tell?
Eh? I don't think they lower your lifespan, and they definitely don't in this quest, since Tenshinhan outlived all his contemporaries (save the immortal ones).Yeah, I don't want us using our life force unless we NEED to. Those attacks lower our lifespan which is something we should try to avoid.
Well, personally I actually don't want to make up with Mato yet, given that resentment for us will likely make him train more and therefore become stronger.It does seem like a good alternative if you don't care about grades or our brother being a little shit over him wanting to be a super saiyan. Granted, we don't have enemies that could use him as a pretender against us if they convince him he deserves to be super saiyan more tan us but the more we wait to solve our issues with him, the harder they will become since he will become used to think ill of us.
This is an excellent point that I had completely forgotten.Telepathy is extremely important for subversive activities, to say nothing of being the only quick and safe way to contact the Senzu.
I think he was asking if mixing the spirit bomb and Tienshinhan's attacks was viable, although thinking about it wouldn't that just be a spirit bomb powered by our own life force?Burning life force is basically like any high-intensity physical activity, in that it damages you and thereby might reduce your life span. Prompt and thorough healing can mitigate that, though.
Well, personally I actually don't want to make up with Mato yet, given that resentment for us will likely make him train more and therefore become stronger
That is something Vegeta Vegeta would come up with. Your idea is awful.Well, personally I actually don't want to make up with Mato yet, given that resentment for us will likely make him train more and therefore become stronger.
Letting resentment fester among family is rarely a good life choice.
Well, I mean, I wouldn't actually mind making up with Mato after we've unsealed Jaffur, but right now I think we have better things to do, since I just don't think it's terribly important.This is the Vegeta Vegeta style of parenting. Your idea is awful.
Now that Dad and you are talking again -- now that you're no longer mad -- he's begun training both you and Mato in the Oozaru form.
Your brother was fairly sulky about this. Still is, in fact, to the point that your presence has set him back, badly, on his attempts to control the form.
You're not quite sure what to do about this. But you know one thing: since you yourself managed to first control it three moons ago, you've been forced to help in restraining him whenever he inevitably goes berserk.
Controlling yourself was easy given your prior failures in the form. You knew exactly what went wrong; exactly what you needed to do. It went quickly from there, and since then you've been able to focus purely on gaining strength. And the form hasn't disappointed, leaping ahead with insane speed. You've gained four hundred million power units in just the past three moon cycles, a rate of improvement that you didn't even see when you were mastering the Super Saiyan form. You would never have suspected that you, of all people, would do so well in training up strength.
Of course, in your more honest moments, you admit that it's more the form than you. Jaffur would probably already have mastered the Oozaru form by now. It just improves that quickly. You'll be done by the end of the year easily. You'll likely be done by the Council.
But that's in the future. Tonight you'll focus on training. And, hopefully, on your brother staying in control.
Dad takes Mato aside, sharing a few private words with him. You politely decline to listen. When the two of them come back, though, they both look frustrated. You sigh, resigning yourself to another busy night.
Dad forms the Power Ball, sighing in irritation. "Right. Mato, try. Kakara, be ready to restrain him if you need to."
"Yes, Dad," you say, watching your brother's face redden.
"I don't need her to babysit me!" he screams.
"MATO GOKU!" yells Dad, his patience at an end. "If you refuse to listen when I tell you what you're doing wrong, then every time you transform you're putting the people around you in danger. That is unacceptable. Kakara, on the other hand, needs the training that keeping you corralled will give her. To be honest, young man, at this point you're lucky I let you train at all instead of grounding you for a month!"
Mato quails. Dad rarely yells. You don't want to know what Mato's been saying, if he's provoked Dad to actually yelling.
Developing styles are necessarily an experimental process. New techniques can be incorporated at any time without penalty.
Next update, in fact. Not going to make a huge deal out of it, I'll just edit the character sheet.
Later. For now it's not something Kakara even has any reason to speculate over. That said, I've little doubt that you all will try to move the action off of Garenhuld and beyond the Masquerade at some point, so once you get closer to the point where it could start to become a plot point (if, again, it's a thing), she may begin to speculate.
Burning life force is basically like any high-intensity physical activity, in that it damages you and thereby might reduce your life span. Prompt and thorough healing can mitigate that, though.
I think that Ki Manipulation's overall upgrade to our current ki abilities and thus our current combat prowess means that we do have time for it. There's about to be a war on!We'll have a malus to learning Tien Style, to the point where we'd need to dedicate two actions to reliably get some skill in it. Tien Style also has a bunch of ki manipulation techniques that we don't know, so getting Ki Manipulation prior to learning Tien Style is logical if we want to progress at a reasonable pace with the minimum amount of time spent on it. Ultimately, however, we just don't have time for Tien Style or for learning better Ki Manipulation. We have so much going on that needs our immediate attention in the short-term that we don't have time for the long-term benefits of Tien Style. We should do it eventually, but not now, not this turn.
Ugh, I'd forgotten about her. We probably shouldn't just drop her... but on the other hand, it's going to be really awkward given the politics of dealing with the Peat family. I'm actually somewhat tempted to let it be and come back later, after that's sorted/settled down a bit.Doing socialising with Fennella because we just got a Saiyan friend who doesn't go to the same school as us. We are NOT letting that wither, especially not when it also gives us a chance to make friends with Dillon as well. Not doing Betarel because we'll be able to see him at the meeting and it's risky to go see him now.
This can in no way backfire. But seriously, I think we can justify leaving him for a year, but not forever.Well, personally I actually don't want to make up with Mato yet, given that resentment for us will likely make him train more and therefore become stronger.
Remember the first time we trained Oozaru? We were upset with Dad, and it held us back, and we tried to kill him. It's the same thing here. It actually explicitly states in the text later on that you know he'd never attack civilians if he was in his right mind. He resents us, and that might deteriorate into something ugly later on, but it won't be by next year, and it's unlikely to be outright rebellion.This did not come from the ape. Kakara's involvement actually set back his ability to control the form because it brought new hate which was secretly manifesting even in human form. This is more the ape reducing inhibitions than actually driving the problem. That means that the driving force can, and by all indications will, eventually produce the same results in as it grows, except that he'll be able to be a lot smarter and more dangerous about implement it. This is a Super-Saiyan rebellion in the making, and this one is both devastating to the legitimacy of the institution and led by someone with potential access to the secret to the mastered form.
The most powerful has a power level in the hundreds of thousands. We can defeat the entire army with nothing but what we have now in our base form.
I'm assuming the spar would be more us practicing what we know and learn, considering Fennella knows Trunks style. Depending on how good at itFennella is, we can both learn a separate style together!@PoptartProdigy if we wrote in that we wanted Fennella as a favored sparring partner while learning tenshinhan style, would that count as socializing with her?
Ah, but can we do it quickly enough to prevent the Garenhulders from noticing? Or prevent any of the army from fleeing? Remember, just winning isn't enough; we have to kill or capture every single last one of them, and do that without attracting attention. And again, more dice up there to prevent skill deterioration in the case of some bad rolls is important!The most powerful has a power level in the hundreds of thousands. We can defeat the entire army with nothing but what we have now in our base form.
I was speaking about burning spirit bomb energy, though I do like the thought of a Senzu-bean-fueled autocannon. A little surprising that the Senzu haven't standardized that approach.
@PoptartProdigy if we wrote in that we wanted Fennella as a favored sparring partner while learning tenshinhan style, would that count as socializing with her?
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I knew I'd missed a few omakes when I compiled the index. That was one of them.