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I am at last adding the "Useful Information" section to the Lore Screen. It is presently grossly incomplete, but I'll be adding more throughout the day tomorrow. I've also made updates to the "Relationships" section of your character sheet to reflect the past few updates.

And now I'm going to slezzzzz-

...well, you all know how this goes.

*picks up the Poptart*

'Night, all.
 
He was only sure of it for a few months, but he clearly had a pretty serious suspicion if he went to such dangerous lengths to verify it. The fact that he created Jaron shows that formal training isn't necessary to make use of sorcery while confirming that it interacts with ki. Tapping into the talent while designing his own completely original style from scratch under incredibly stressful motivation doesn't seem like much of a stretch. His prep for the first spar involved concentrated meditation and resulted in him punching far above his power level due to a never-before-seen level of control which astonished an acknowledged genius of ki control and sensing.

-and I just proposed a potential solution of having Jaron or Jaffur learn how to magically break it.

Instead of going through a lenghty explanation about why I doubt that is the case IC (since I am on my phone) Iwill rely on the power of Meta.

Jaffur's fighting style is one of the possible perks we could have chosen had we played with him (as revealed by Poptart). Since the sorcery roll is independent of those, it can't have a sorcery component.
 
@PoptartProdigy, I had an idea for a New Tricks: Age-Up. It gives Kakara an adult body for a limited time, granting the bonuses associated with an adult body like increased HP and a greater pool of ki. It's in-line with other esoteric abilities like Four Witches and Multiform.

it's just that not belonging to a house is such an arcane concept that it makes no sense to the minds of the Exiles.
This is completely silly. I'm going to assume that this was your sleep-deprived brain trying to make the culture you're developing seem more unique. Make it something that makes more sense, like they enforce the rule in support of the House system and to reduce complications in that regard. The idea that they mentally cannot conceive of houselessness is a plain bad one that shouldn't be present. I'd present more coherent points against it but that would feel like arguing why the Winchesters are not in a gay incestuous relationship to a guy who thinks they are, it's just uncomfortable.
 
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This is completely silly. I'm going to assume that this was your sleep-deprived brain trying to make the culture you're developing seem more unique. Make it something that makes more sense, like they enforce the rule in support of the House system and to reduce complications in that regard. The idea that they mentally cannot conceive of houselessness is a plain bad one that shouldn't be present. I'd present more coherent points against it but that would feel like arguing why the Winchesters are not in a gay incestuous relationship to a guy who thinks they are, it's just uncomfortable.

Cranial Rectal Extraction please kaybuy!

It is perfectly viable for people to not really comprehend what its like to not have a House. I got plenty of strange looks from several of past and current colleagues, for being the only one who doesn't have the strong 'family core' background to fall back on. They literally couldn't understand that I'd rather piss on several of my relatives rather then turn to them for help, since they'd grown up with a strong loyal family core. Sure, they theoretically know that some people don't have that kind of family relationship, but that didn't stop them from asking why I consider family to be something you choose, rather then something your born into.

Its just as understandable for people who are born into that sort of strong family structure to never question it or understand otherwise. Sure, the humans might do it, but thats because they were culturally inferior blands who should have considered themselves fortunate to be adopted into a Saiyan House. But for a proper blooded Saiyan not to have a clan or family to fall back on? Such a thing would be unthinkable!

I've dealt with plenty of people from other cultures who consider a small family gathering to be one that only has thirty or so people attending, and I've dealt with others who consider anything over fifteen to be a recipe for continuing the old feuds.

Culture plays a massive part in how people consider themselves in relation to their family. Sure, there might be the occasional malcontent, but not on a wide scale.
 
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Goddamnit Poptart, you broke the colour formatting again! How do you keep doing that?

*sigh* Which post? I swear, I haven't touched the color on any them...

@PoptartProdigy I was just wondering, which of the movies are canon?

Lessee, off the top of my head...honestly, it's more a matter of which I would discount. And off the top of my head, I'm not coming up with any. A lot of the movies were outright abysmal, but the concepts were usually good or at least didn't break anything, and this way I can keep the concepts without having to actually watch the movies; net win for me. So, bearing in mind that they lose the canonicity contest to...well, everything besides GT, basically...they're all in.

@PoptartProdigy, I had an idea for a New Tricks: Age-Up. It gives Kakara an adult body for a limited time, granting the bonuses associated with an adult body like increased HP and a greater pool of ki. It's in-line with other esoteric abilities like Four Witches and Multiform.


This is completely silly. I'm going to assume that this was your sleep-deprived brain trying to make the culture you're developing seem more unique. Make it something that makes more sense, like they enforce the rule in support of the House system and to reduce complications in that regard. The idea that they mentally cannot conceive of houselessness is a plain bad one that shouldn't be present. I'd present more coherent points against it but that would feel like arguing why the Winchesters are not in a gay incestuous relationship to a guy who thinks they are, it's just uncomfortable.

Age-Up sounds like something I usually reserve for sorcery, but I'll think about it. The comparison to Four Witches and Multiform is particularly apt.

They live among Garenhulders, they're aware that houselessness exists. I pick my words very carefully; and here I said that to them, not having a house "makes no sense." IRL, I have personally spent twenty straight minutes trying and failing to communicate the concept that Far Eastern cultures often use family-given name structures as opposed to the Western given-family. He got it in the end, but because I didn't immediately comprehend that I needed to explain the idea from base principles because the connection just wasn't being made, we spent that much time talking past each other because the idea just wasn't in his world. Similarly, if somebody with no family name (which some cultures do practice) introduces themself by their given name only, everybody in a more Westernized culture will automatically assume that they're simply withholding their family name. "What's your name?" "Placeholder." "Placeholder what?" "Just Placeholder." "Well fine, if that's how you're going to be about it." The person just said that Placeholder was their only name, but the person they're talking to doesn't have, "has no family name," in their schemas. You need to go all the way back to the very idea of names to explain the idea to them.

This is what I'm digging into here. The saiyans are aware of houselessness in the same way that (some) Westerners are aware that Japanese names go family-given rather than given-family. But the assumption upon seeing a name -- before they correct themselves or are corrected -- will be in line with their cultural presumptions, that being that names go given-family. In the case of the Exiles, houselessness is the last presumption, and it's not one that their culture provides for. Given that new houses are freely allowed to be formed, what with the population controls removed, there's no reason for people to try and break out when they can instead start their own, so there aren't any saiyans who even care to challenge that assumption.

Now, I have gone back and edited my post for clarity, because I was intending to imply that the person defiantly splitting off from their house would be accepting of the change. And after all, they've little reason not to; not only is houselessness something their culture doesn't provide for, starting their own house turns them from some random schlub into lesser nobility!

In short, they possess and understand the concept; they simply don't see it relating to them in any meaningful way beyond the intellectual level.

But regardless,

This is completely silly. I'm going to assume that this was your sleep-deprived brain trying to make the culture you're developing seem more unique.

That's not cool. If you disagree with me on something, that's fine. I'm open to debate. But that's discourteous.
 
Still an hour since you last edited it (according to the last edited thing, I mean).
*pokes it* Nope, still no change, despite the "edit" sign changing.
The hell? Okay, I added a line of text to it so that it would say it changed. And...still nothing. If I go into a light theme and do a highlight-and-set-to-"none," I get...nothing.

...ugh. I'm going over to the tech support forum if I can't figure this out soon.

Ah well. While I'm figuring this out; anybody have any votes they'd like to cast?
 
You change topics. "So, your brother is a good Sorcerer, right? I mean, he kept you hidden this long, right?"

"Wasn't that hard," says Dandelor, a few feet behind you.

You scream, whirling around.

"Dandelor," says Raditz, a note of approach in his voice.

"What? It's fun," says the Sorcerer, leaning on the crenelations.
....Dandelor and Raditz are my new favorite characters.

Dandelor has taken the advice of "Always be yourself, unless you can be Batman. Then be Batman" to heart, and has perfected the art of what TVTropes calls "Stealth Hi/Bye", but which I myself think of as "Batmanning".

This makes him awesome.
 
I see no votes.

There are no votes yet.

Do I need to come up with another Plan Tea Party? Is that what you want from me?

'cause I appreciate that.
 
[] What?

Voting this because I think this is something we need to process just a bit more. And get a bit more explanation on. I think Dandelor breaking this secrecy is the right call in this case, and I'd wager when Jaffur learns about it he'll agree.
It also puts a more concrete spin on what happened; that this wasn't what Dandeer intended. Which doesn't make it right, but it definitely lends credence to the idea that, in her view, she was essentially giving her son a permanent medication for violent, psychopathic tendencies (or the equivalent). Again, it doesn't make it right, but it makes it clearer that she wasn't trying to kill her son's personality.
I'd note that if I recall some of Jaron's viewpoints correctly, even suppressed, Vegeta Vegeta, Lord Vegata of the Clan Vegeta has a bit of a temper on him.

[] Meeting point. Nothing is totally secure, but this is more secure than most. This way the Senzus will be able to judge if something is wrong before coming to get you.

I'd say for now we do it this way. Maybe we can look into ways to guard against Mind Delves. I bet our Seer teacher can help us there. Then later we can have Dandelor add us on the Veil or drop it or whatever term would be appropriate there.

EDIT: Updated vote below.
 
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[X] What?
[X] Continue planning.
-[X] Is it possible to do some sort of "body double" switch? Or is it better to try and build up all the preparation possible for breaking the Seal and saving both Jaron and Jaffur, and then just grabbing Jaffur in a distracted moment, to then break the Seal?
[X] Continue vote in abeyance.

[X] Meeting point. Nothing is totally secure, but this is more secure than most. This way the Senzus will be able to judge if something is wrong before coming to get you.
 
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