Dragon Ball: After the End
KnightDisciple
Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.
- Location
- Midwest, USA
That plan is crazy.
EDIT: Updated vote.
Crazy.....like a fox.
So crazy...it just might work!
[X] Diplomacy.
-[X] Appear in front of Dandelor. Shake his hand.
-[X] "Hi! I am Kakara Goku! You must be Dandelor! Nice to meet you!"
-[X] Go greet the rest of them. Seriously, it is rude to ignore them and you haven't see them in a while. Be friendly.
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- Location
- Actually pretty lost
Well damn, now I kind of want to do this. The only problem I can see is that if Dandeelor's not attacking us with his spell, there's probably a good reason why he's doing it immediately in such a tense situation; he might be patching up the damage our Ki pulse did to their wards, etc. Of course if he is attacking we want to interrupt, but the plan here basically seems to be "assume they're not attacking hard enough and they have to go along with it", which won't work if they are, in fact, attacking.
I'm kind of wishing that we'd taken the time to learn more about sorcery to be honest (and we really ought to next time the yearly plan comes up) but I doubt letting him get the spell off will straight-up lose us this fight, so after further contemplation I think we should let him do it and see what happens.
The mage is right there, already starting cast a spell. If just being strong was a perfect counter Jaffur would still be Jaffur.
It's an improvement at least, because it immediately disrupts the spell.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
Jaffur was being held down by a stronger Super Saiyan, as his mother (a "Master" Sorcerer, though it's not clear whether that's the top or just near it) repeatedly cast her spell. Unless one of them has gone SS2 in the meantime (which seems unlikely) we aren't going to face that same problem.
Bakkasama
There is always a greater fool
- Location
- Buenos Aires, Argentina
- Pronouns
- He/his
Yeah, that is the kind of reservation I had even when I wrote it. I mean, we don't know for sure that the spell is something bad instead of to keep them hidden. The only indication we have is that he is looking at us but so is everyone else and none are attacking.
Should I add a power down option to it? Also, would the vote s is written be read as forcibly shaking his hand or place our hand between the seals as we extend it to offer a handshake while giving our creepy smile while greeting him? I had assumed @PoptartProdigy would write it as he thought it was more appropriate, the way it is done not mattering as much to me as the fact it is done at all as long as it is done well in the update but I am not sure how specific I should be...
Should I add a power down option to it? Also, would the vote s is written be read as forcibly shaking his hand or place our hand between the seals as we extend it to offer a handshake while giving our creepy smile while greeting him? I had assumed @PoptartProdigy would write it as he thought it was more appropriate, the way it is done not mattering as much to me as the fact it is done at all as long as it is done well in the update but I am not sure how specific I should be...
KnightDisciple
Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.
- Location
- Midwest, USA
I wouldn't mind the power-down.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
I think it's worth taking the risk - it's not going to be a game-winner on it's own even if it does go off. And when you're hoping for peace, someone's got to take that first step.
Are we transformed at the moment? Or do you mean power down from 375 million (which I suppose by non-super standards is still a massive threat.) Either way, a deliberate and obvious power down - though not all the way down to regular Saiyan levels - might be nice.
I think from the context of "he's doing something important with his hands" the assumption would be we're forcing it; at least, when I read it I didn't think it was ambiguous enough to really wonder.
Bakkasama
There is always a greater fool
- Location
- Buenos Aires, Argentina
- Pronouns
- He/his
Yeah, but just placing our stretched hand between the handseals would probably do the trick too.
I will see about adding a power down.
Edit: Done. Put a "-[] Hide your ki too." at the end of it.
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- Location
- Somewhere I shouldn't be
[X] Diplomacy.
-[X] Appear in front of Dandelor. Shake his hand.
-[X] "Hi! I am Kakara Goku! You must be Dandelor! Nice to meet you!"
-[X] Go greet the rest of them. Seriously, it is rude to ignore them and you haven't see them in a while. Be friendly.
-[X] Hide your ki too.
Dammit, we worked hard for that Oddball reputation. Let's put it to use.
-[X] Appear in front of Dandelor. Shake his hand.
-[X] "Hi! I am Kakara Goku! You must be Dandelor! Nice to meet you!"
-[X] Go greet the rest of them. Seriously, it is rude to ignore them and you haven't see them in a while. Be friendly.
-[X] Hide your ki too.
Dammit, we worked hard for that Oddball reputation. Let's put it to use.
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KnightDisciple
Love God. Do Right. Fear No Man.
- Location
- Midwest, USA
[X] Bakkasama
Using this as my vote as it's a bit easier to accommodate changes, and I like the core approach of the vote.
Using this as my vote as it's a bit easier to accommodate changes, and I like the core approach of the vote.
- Location
- Actually pretty lost
Since it's Part One of the plan, there isn't going to be any further context for us to decide whether or not blocking the seals is the right move or not; it's literally the first thing that we'll do. I just think that the possible downsides of letting him get the spell off (it's an attack on us, and we go into the fight as The Strongest Saiyan Alive with a malus of some kind from the spell, since it's not going to take us out of the fight on its own) are outweighed by the possible downsides of stopping the spell (he doesn't repair the stealth field we might have just ripped a hole in, Dad's wondering why we set off a Ki pulse like that and senses them, and we kick this Civil War off right now.)
I also think it's probably in character for Kakara to take the risk and try for the most peaceful approach, but that might just be my own vision of her rather than what's actually there.
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- Location
- United Kingdom
[X] Diplomacy.
-[X] Appear in front of Dandelor. Shake his hand.
-[X] "Hi! I am Kakara Goku! You must be Dandeelor! Nice to meet you!"
-[X] Go greet the rest of them. Seriously, it is rude to ignore them and you haven't see them in a while. Be friendly.
-[X] Hide your ki too.
-[X] Appear in front of Dandelor. Shake his hand.
-[X] "Hi! I am Kakara Goku! You must be Dandeelor! Nice to meet you!"
-[X] Go greet the rest of them. Seriously, it is rude to ignore them and you haven't see them in a while. Be friendly.
-[X] Hide your ki too.
His mother was casting a very specific, sophisticated spell and was very much trying not to harm him. This mage honestly won't care if he turns Kakara into a pile of pulp as long as it shuts her down as fast as possible.
Again, the thing going through their heads right now is, "Oh shit, everybody we know is about to be tortured to death in front of us." The stakes are immense.
We don't know how many Super-Saiyans they have by now. One of the most likely things for her to have detected in the first place was a transformation. They're probably all in combat armor with a mage at the ready for a reason. All the mage needs to do is slow her down a bit and suddenly she's in a confined space being mobbed by dozens of stronger, faster, and more experienced opponents.
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- Location
- The Great Beyond
- Pronouns
- He/She/They
[X] Bakkasama
- Location
- Somewhere I shouldn't be
Yes, and with out Exceptional Ki Control we can go FPSSJ in about 1/10 of a second and suddenly outclass all of them. Then, if one of them has done something troubling like become an Ascended SSJ (the step before Ultra), and is a bit more of a threat, we can drop an energy ball. We have full control over our Great Ape form (which they may not have) we can potentially take any of them out of the fight by squeezing their tails (not all warriors train that away), we can shatter their puny wards with our Golden Great Ape if need be (which will, by necessity, call Dad in to help)...
Plus, you know that our Seer trainer has already Seen all of this and is going to deus the everliving fuck out of the machina if we need it.
I think we can afford to go the Diplomancer route. Y'know, to start.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
The vote says, "shake his hand," so by golly that hand will be shook. :lol
-and, if the mage manages to even slow Kakara down, she's suddenly outclassed. Ultra is actually stronger than her, just slower, which is a problem if something is slowing her down. Even if she remains the strongest, she can still be mobbed if she isn't any faster than her opponents. Powerball isn't exactly a split-second maneuver, and we've never seen it used underground. If she does transform she'll lose her speed advantage even without any mage interference.
-not to mention that the whole point here was kind of to avoid demolishing their home and exposing them to the world.
Bakkasama
There is always a greater fool
- Location
- Buenos Aires, Argentina
- Pronouns
- He/his
If that were the case, they would likely still be transformed. Sure, it could be that they powered down after we detected them but they are outside of their clan hold, which likely would have their strongest wards. It makes no sense for them to be training it here so I doubt we detected a super saiyan transformation.
While they might fear for their clan if they indeed incurred in a super saiyan rebellion, which has not been proved so far, I doubt they would be tortured to death. The only super saiyan sanguine enough to do something like that is Yanmar and the situation is different from that of house Talt. For one, they didn't kill Yanmar's father by betrayal to start their defiance, for second, they are unlikely to have turned their entire house into super saiyans and finally, Yanmar's daughter is Raditz's wife and Betarel is his grandson. While I wouldn't be surprised if he killed them if they rebelled, I don't know if he is that bad.
- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Not necessarily; a Full-Power Super Saiyan using USSJ would be vastly stronger than her, yes, but a regular Super Saiyan would top out at around 340 million. Now, that number goes up since USSJ permits extremely inefficient training of the base cap and SSJ boost, but nobody here is going to be capable of challenging you on level ground given the literal decades of effort that would take.
The rest of your points are very well made, though.
..Probably not particularly relevant, but I was checking the early updates to check if there was any info on the status of Betarel's mom, because I'm kinda curious as to where she currently is, and I found a mistake in there.
Pretty sure this should be Betarel, not Jaffur.
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- Location
- Rockford, USA
- Pronouns
- They/Them
Hehe, whoops.
- Location
- Australia
In canon, Cell said that his own power "didn't even compare" when Trunks went Ultra Super Saiyan. It didn't take decades of effort to get that powerful.
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Khona Moshr
Pink Flamingo Cabal Healer(they/them)
- Location
- Alabama
- Pronouns
- They/Them
[X] Bakkasama